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TOP 3 OPENING DAY TEST ATTENDANCES IN AUSTRALIA

Melbourne - 91,112 (2013-14 v England)
Adelaide - 55,317 (2017-18 v England)
Sydney - 54,476 (1962-63 v England)

(each city's best attendance only, listed)
 

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TOP 3 TEST ATTENDANCES IN AUSTRALIA

Melbourne - 350,534 (1936-37 v England)
Adelaide - 199,147 (2017-18 v England)
Sydney - 195,253 (1946-47 v England)

(each city's best attendance only, listed)
 
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Two batsmen have scored over 20,000 first class runs in two separate decades, both during the 1920s and 1930s.


Batsman

decade

Matches

Innings

not out

Highest

RUNS

Avge

100s

Herbert Sutcliffe

1920s

375

542

59

255*

24583

50.89

69

 

1930s

340

500

60

313

23708

53.88

75

Patsy Hendren

1920s

367

559

84

277*

28711

60.44

96

 

1930s

297

482

55

301*

21609

50.60

63

 

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Two batsmen have scored over 20,000 first class runs in two separate decades, both during the 1920s and 1930s.

Batsman

decade

Matches

Innings

not out

Highest

RUNS

Avge

100s

Herbert Sutcliffe

1920s

375

542

59

255*

24583

50.89

69

 

1930s

340

500

60

313

23708

53.88

75

Patsy Hendren

1920s

367

559

84

277*

28711

60.44

96

 

1930s

297

482

55

301*

21609

50.60

63

Not sure if this is the thread for it or not, but...

Am I right in saying these FC stats include things like Gentlemen vs Players and Lord Smithson's XI vs University of Poshtown XI in a two-day game but pre-WWII, tour matches in other countries (South Africa vs Victoria, etc) weren't first-class games?
 

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Not sure if this is the thread for it or not, but...

Am I right in saying these FC stats include things like Gentlemen vs Players and Lord Smithson's XI vs University of Poshtown XI in a two-day game but pre-WWII, tour matches in other countries (South Africa vs Victoria, etc) weren't first-class games?
First class games shouldn't include any two-day games. There has been conjecture over WG Grace's first class stats because some two-day games were originally added into his stats when he retired but they were not added into other players' figures. This is mainly why the Association of Cricket Statisticians believe Grace's figures should be altered. Tour matches in other countries which go for three days should definitely be first class, but there are some some exceptions. Traditionally, a game in Australia between a touring team and Northern New South Wales would often be given three days but was never considered first class. Also, if there are more than eleven players in a team, that is another obvious reason to not allow it to be first class.
 

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You inspired me to do a little research, so thanks. Now this is all based on Cricinfo statistics, but I'm assuming they are right.

31/2 South Africa tour of Australia: 18 matches in total, but only 5 first class matches (ie only the tests).

32/3 England tour of Australia: 19 matches, at least 15 first class.

They more or less played the same teams, but only one of them gets credited with FC status. Doesn't seem right.

And yes I know the cricket staticians got together in 1949 or something and said they wouldn't retrospectively give first class status, and it makes me wonder if there are plenty of batters out there who don't get the credit they deserve because of Anglo-centric rules.
 

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You inspired me to do a little research, so thanks. Now this is all based on Cricinfo statistics, but I'm assuming they are right.

31/2 South Africa tour of Australia: 18 matches in total, but only 5 first class matches (ie only the tests).

32/3 England tour of Australia: 19 matches, at least 15 first class.

They more or less played the same teams, but only one of them gets credited with FC status. Doesn't seem right.

And yes I know the cricket staticians got together in 1949 or something and said they wouldn't retrospectively give first class status, and it makes me wonder if there are plenty of batters out there who don't get the credit they deserve because of Anglo-centric rules.
Actually, the 1931-32 South Africans did play other first class games apart from the Tests. Of the 18 matches you can see listed on Cricinfo, only the games against New South Wales Country and Victoria Country would not be first class.
It is difficult to know why certain three day games are ranked first class and why others aren't. In England they used to have many first class games at the end of a season such as Free Foresters vs Cambridge or Oxford Uni, England XI vs Commonwealth XI, North vs South, and the Gentlemen vs Players as you mentioned earlier, as well as games such as Lord Londesborough's XI vs MCC. During the 1970s though there were three days games between Derek Robin's XI and Cambridge or Oxford which did not receive first class status even though players such as Keith Fletcher, Imran Khan, Mike Brearley, Mushtaq Mohammad and Bob Willis played in them.
In Australia of course, none of the World Series Cricket Super Tests received first class status.
 
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