Autopsy Rd 11 Blues create a contest but fade in the last

[FRUMPY]

Things I did like was some of samo's marking and marking attempts. Didn't hold them all but showed courage and a willingness to go for them knowing he is smaller and likely to get crunched.

Fisher with 4 goals was a great return. Interesting in the press conference he is being played as a small forward so don't expect him to get much of the ball. My only criticism of him on yesterday's game was he went missing for large chunks but now I know why as he was played predominantly forward.

Kennedy's marking was too notch. It's a real weapon in his game.

Jones was pretty good but with weitering on kennedy deep I thought we missed weiterings interceptions and therefore he had little impact with the ball. I prefer weitering chb for that reason.

Dekoning showed so great signs. Good 2nd efforts and tackles and willingness to compete. Thought the game changed when we had pittonet in the ruck for majority of the 3rd qtr. Missed a trick there not backing the kid who did great in the 2nd qtr.

Hated how easy Kelly got the ball and ran fwd. We had to have someone negating his run forward and force him sidewards or backwards.

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[Own The Future]

I thought our biggest killer was, once again, our delivery inside 50. We won the I 50 count but continued to bomb it in there with only Levi being our focal point, there was no separation, no lowering the eyes compared to when the eagles went forward. We need to improve our wing man as well, they are our link men between back and fwds but we really struggle to win these positions. Walsh does well but lets himself down at times with his foot skill, Newnes delivery forward just doesn't cut it at any level

Agree with that. I was saying to a mate during the game that the bomb it in tactic may be the best way to utilise our tall forward line, but for two reasons it was the wrong strategy yesterday - most of our forward line wasn’t there, and the Eagles are probably top 2 or 3 in the league for intercept marks.
I think the lack of Harry and Gov (and Martin) also hurt us coming forward, as there were many times when that kick down the line went to a small and was spoiled easily. That meant that a kick and hope from a stoppage on the wing was the forward entry.
Your comment re the wing play is accurate - although I have found in the past few weeks Walsh has really curbed the high kick around the corner from stoppage. He appears - to my eye at least - to be taking an extra second, turning his shoulders forward and trying to spot a target. Not every time, but certainly more often than he was.

 

[FRUMPY]

Going into the game I thought we'd struggle with no Harry and Gov and 2nd half it was how it turned out. Levi tried his best but too often outnumbered. Plus our system forward is terrible at times. We just bomb to where their Backman are. Even a few times when we chipped it around we bombed from 90m out and kicking to 40m out where it's easy to defend. Needed to get it to 20m out.

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[gbatman]

This was one of our better performances of the season even though we lost. We played well and at times out played a team I believe should feature in this season's grand final.

Problem is when you have a period where you dominate play and don't score you get tired and the opposition if they are good enough will get their turn and they did.

We were better at not turning it over in our forward line and our pressure, tackling and physicality was better. Overall effort was good. We just struggled to convert inside 50's into scores.

Murphy - His inability to tackle is a liability but he was our best ball winner so we are taking the good with the bad with him. Showed more intent to take body contact this week which was good but still mixed feelings about his footy.

The umpiring, i don't care what the rules are or the interpretations are, good umpiring is consistent umpiring and that was shithouse. IMO there are too many umpires on the field and they are all interpreting it differently.

Walsh - He'c come good in lately and I thought he played well. He's just out there running hard and having a go and it's coming to him.

Cripps - He's been just average but well below his standards. He needs to have a look at what he is doing different and go back to that. We also need to use him differently. We need to back our midfield in to be good enough without him in it and it was in this game. Cripps went forward for a while and our midfield looked better without him and it's not the first time it has. It makes us less predictable and brings other players into the game. It also helps us with out being too Cripps focused problem around the ball. IMO Cripps needs to put on some muscle and we need to use him the same way Richmond use Martin. We need to be less Cripps dependant and Cripps needs to embrace what he is, a big powerful impact player.

Setterfield - He was ok but not his best game. He really needs to put on some size and embrace the insice player he is. Guys like Tim Kelly monster him, he can't compete with that.

Curnow - He was ok, did his usual thing.

SPS - Liked most of the early parts of his game and that was because he was physical and took tackles and contact. Didn't like the finish to his game, avoided contact, run arcs instead of straight lines at the ball and was hesitant to pick the footy up. It's an improvement but he needs to become a consistent. Got on the outside and did some good things but he needs to go harder at the ground balls and take contact, not look to avoid that. A game of two halves for him.

Kennedy - Wasn't prolific but did some nice things. Some quality intercept marks and some nice contested stuff.

Simpson - Just keeps going consistently well. Always know what you will get. If you could put his competitive desire into SPS you would have a super player. Hits it hard every time

Williamson - Liked his game, just needs to tidy up his ball handling. Aggressive and a good user of the ball with a bit of pace.

Docherty - Not his best game, did some sloppy things like drop marks and was lead to the ball by some distance at times.

Fisher - Great return. Kicked 4 but he was quick. Quick to get to it, quick get control of it and quick to get it to boot. So important in this game and what I liked was there was no avoiding contact like last season. 5 tackles was good to see.

Newnes - I like that he puts his body on the line and that he tackles strongly. This is why he gets a game and others don't. He's skills can be hit or miss though but his game was pretty solid.

Betts - No goals but I loved his game because he was physical and his pressure was terrific. He set things up and was good up the ground.

Cottrell - Liked his game. Good speed and got involved. Can see him excelling at AFL level. Badly lacking body size and strength and when he gets is I can see him being quite good. He can afford to lose some run because he has plenty. Kicking could have been more polished but hey it was his first game.

Pittonett - I like how he gets involved with the play and is so good with his handball. He competed well against one of the best, even took some marks.

Plowman - For everything he does good he does something bad or gets beaten. He's a bit small for that third tall role at times, he did play with good effort though which I enjoyed seeing. Bit of a break even game for him.

Casboult - Bit of a meh game for mine. Competed but no score. Struggles without McKay in the side.

Gibbons - Had a poor game, kicked a goal but not much else statistically. Dropped a sitter. A very off day for mine. Did however rank well in pressure acts.

Jones - He was outstanding. Marked it, killed it and can kick the ball so well.

DeKoning - Tried and competed and did alright in the ruck but dropped a lot of marks. Probably won't retain his spot. Still on the small side of things but I was impressed by plenty he did. Needs more developing and happy to see him come in for injured players.

Martin - Losing him was a big loss for us.

 

[bigm386]

AAA Ep10: 'Soft' Dogs slammed, the rule that has everyone confused

Matthew Lloyd and Damian Barrett discuss all of the fallout from a huge week of football

www.afl.com.au

Covers all the dodgy HTB decisions (about 3 mins in), funny to watch some of them and also noted they all seemed to be against us. Even missed the Ryan.

 

[Blue Pulse]

Agree with that. I was saying to a mate during the game that the bomb it in tactic may be the best way to utilise our tall forward line, but for two reasons it was the wrong strategy yesterday - most of our forward line wasn’t there, and the Eagles are probably top 2 or 3 in the league for intercept marks.
I think the lack of Harry and Gov (and Martin) also hurt us coming forward, as there were many times when that kick down the line went to a small and was spoiled easily. That meant that a kick and hope from a stoppage on the wing was the forward entry.
Your comment re the wing play is accurate - although I have found in the past few weeks Walsh has really curbed the high kick around the corner from stoppage. He appears - to my eye at least - to be taking an extra second, turning his shoulders forward and trying to spot a target. Not every time, but certainly more often than he was.

Yes, You are right re Walsh, has improved his kicking going forward and is the least of our problems. We fought hard for our goals and our pressure in the forward half was the best it has been this year, playing any other side like that and we probably would have won. When they went forward the difference in delivery is chalk and cheese. Gaff, Shuey, Yeo, Kelly, Sheed all elite kicks.

 

[HBF]

I'd give this a shot. Great pace to burn, ferocious tackler, not scared to throw his body around. Definitely didn't shy away from contact or look nervous in his first game. Also important - doesn't have the body-type where he can easily be bodied off the ball.

I'd certainly give it a try. Our backline needs a bit of a change and this could really help.

 

[Own The Future]

Yes, You are right re Walsh, has improved his kicking going forward and is the least of our problems. We fought hard for our goals and our pressure in the forward half was the best it has been this year, playing any other side like that and we probably would have won. When they went forward the difference in delivery is chalk and cheese. Gaff, Shuey, Yeo, Kelly, Sheed all elite kicks.

There were at least 2 forward entries from WC where the defender was all over the forward like a cheap suit, playing them perfectly, but the kick was so perfect there was nothing they could do to stop the mark. One was the Darling mark. Plowman was with him every step, made a perfectly timed spoil attempt, but couldn’t affect it.
There haven’t been many of those from our mids. I think Martin is our best kick to a lead, and sometimes Murph. But the rest do tend to butcher it.

 

[HBF]

Bottom 4 side for many years plays top 4 side over many years and we nearly win.

We are progressing well.

We know when we can play our best footy we can match it with anyone. Problem is we can't sustain it for long enough.
We also have to be able to stop a team when they get a run on.

 

[Blue Pulse]

AAA Ep10: 'Soft' Dogs slammed, the rule that has everyone confused

Matthew Lloyd and Damian Barrett discuss all of the fallout from a huge week of football

www.afl.com.au

Covers all the dodgy HTB decisions (about 3 mins in), funny to watch some of them and also noted they all seemed to be against us. Even missed the Ryan.

So the fend off from the eagle player on Fisher, not holding the ball, the fend off from Cripps, holding the ball? Llyod you dik

 

[blueblooded]

AAA Ep10: 'Soft' Dogs slammed, the rule that has everyone confused

Matthew Lloyd and Damian Barrett discuss all of the fallout from a huge week of football

www.afl.com.au

Covers all the dodgy HTB decisions (about 3 mins in), funny to watch some of them and also noted they all seemed to be against us. Even missed the Ryan.

But arrow thinks it’s not an issue for us? Costs us goals every week, I’ll pick out those examples every week against us and I’ll be hard pressed to find a game where it goes anywhere near our favour. Lose games by the margins we are and these decisions are the difference in the game. Don’t worry the AFL knows all of this because it’s there direction to manipulate the results as they see fit. Just like every other aspect of the game they influence the results too. They’re cheats.

 

[Bluesome]

The familiar way Carlton lose and how they can fix it

Strategy coach Rob Harding breaks down where it all went wrong.

www.sen.com.au

Apologies if this has been posted already, but this is an excellent breakdown of our biggest area of concern - our inability to stop our opponent’s scoring runs.
The author states that some of our structures were actually correct (bodying up in the centre square, sending a 7th defender, etc) but some lapses in concentration led to the avalanche of goals.
Well worth a read.

THIS IS WHAT I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR FROM AFL MEDIA...not once does it mention "possessions" or "disposal efficiency"...actual ANALYSIS of structures and breakdowns...all AFL journos should learn from this article...it is harder to actually perform a proper analysis of a game, therefore most don't do it...this is the most informative article I have read in some time! Kudos to the author...

 

[Gethelred]

But arrow thinks it’s not an issue for us? Costs us goals every week, I’ll pick out those examples every week against us and I’ll be hard pressed to find a game where it goes anywhere near our favour. Lose games by the margins we are and these decisions are the difference in the game. Don’t worry the AFL knows all of this because it’s there direction to manipulate the results as they see fit. Just like every other aspect of the game they influence the results too. They’re cheats.

Arr0w?

Tag people if you're going to talk about them.

 

[Gethelred]

The familiar way Carlton lose and how they can fix it

Strategy coach Rob Harding breaks down where it all went wrong.

www.sen.com.au

Apologies if this has been posted already, but this is an excellent breakdown of our biggest area of concern - our inability to stop our opponent’s scoring runs.
The author states that some of our structures were actually correct (bodying up in the centre square, sending a 7th defender, etc) but some lapses in concentration led to the avalanche of goals.
Well worth a read.

Great find.

 

[katmanblue]

Agree with that. I was saying to a mate during the game that the bomb it in tactic may be the best way to utilise our tall forward line, but for two reasons it was the wrong strategy yesterday - most of our forward line wasn’t there, and the Eagles are probably top 2 or 3 in the league for intercept marks.
I think the lack of Harry and Gov (and Martin) also hurt us coming forward, as there were many times when that kick down the line went to a small and was spoiled easily. That meant that a kick and hope from a stoppage on the wing was the forward entry.
Your comment re the wing play is accurate - although I have found in the past few weeks Walsh has really curbed the high kick around the corner from stoppage. He appears - to my eye at least - to be taking an extra second, turning his shoulders forward and trying to spot a target. Not every time, but certainly more often than he was.

Agree re: Walsh

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[mochacinolatte]

Too everyone who wanted Kennedy dropped after the Power's game, been easily out top 10-5 players these few weeks.

Good to see his overhead marking ability from his Junior days translating well to AFL standards.

 

[Bluesome]

But arrow thinks it’s not an issue for us? Costs us goals every week, I’ll pick out those examples every week against us and I’ll be hard pressed to find a game where it goes anywhere near our favour. Lose games by the margins we are and these decisions are the difference in the game. Don’t worry the AFL knows all of this because it’s there direction to manipulate the results as they see fit. Just like every other aspect of the game they influence the results too. They’re cheats.

I know right...no-one believed my alien abduction story either...got a bunch of cynics on this board...

 

[mochacinolatte]

AAA Ep10: 'Soft' Dogs slammed, the rule that has everyone confused

Matthew Lloyd and Damian Barrett discuss all of the fallout from a huge week of football

www.afl.com.au

Covers all the dodgy HTB decisions (about 3 mins in), funny to watch some of them and also noted they all seemed to be against us. Even missed the Ryan.

Just watched it, I didn't realise it was that bad.

 

[Aphrodite]

Just curious as to what people think. Do you think playing guys like Murphy, Simmo, Casbault, Betts etc are holding back our youngsters (in terms of development)? These guys have been great servants for the club but now I am just thinking what is the best benefit for the club in its current rebuild phase. Let me know what you think.

Belongs in List management.

 

[Aphrodite]

Teague: Blues believe in De Koning, Fisher

David Teague was impressed by the performances of Sunday's inclusions.

www.carltonfc.com.au

 

[Arr0w]

Arr0w?

Tag people if you're going to talk about them.

I love it when people finger point away from home. Always someone's fault

Umpires/AFL are cheats

Decisions where the opposition gain goals( no mention when we benefit)

We spank the dogs, while being -8 in the count. Cats have only won 2 free kick counts, yet are in the eight

I have seen and heard these supporters up close, truly staggering

 

[MileHigh]

I thought Murphy was much better this week. Far more physical and his intent to attack was good. He was a bit overzealous on a couple of occasions going forward, but his pressure was much improved.

Being realistic: he’s not going to be dropped. Teague brings young players in sparingly, and we aren’t going to add players without them really pressing their case and showing they belong at the level. Look at how hard Kennedy had to work over the space of a few seasons to get a consistent spot.

Cottrell got his opportunity this week and wasn’t overawed, but he will likely make way for another young player to have a crack. I’d like to see LOB get his spot next week.

Murphy was better than last week, but was atrocious last week. He doesn't have any hurt factor at all anymore. Awareness is not great, doesn't hurt with his disposal and can't get out of 2nd gear. I'm not one one to ride and slam players but he looks old out there and short of carrying an injury we aren't aware of I can't see him playing next year unless we keep him on for depth. Simpson more likely to around again than him.

 

[myblueroan]

Speaking of which one fan wrote this up and shared on twitter...

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Left out Levi being pushed in the back. No free. Right in front of goal.
Other end, Levi marks
Free kick against Jones for lightly touching Eagles player's jumper.

 

[SurreyBlue]

Speaking of which one fan wrote this up and shared on twitter...

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No cheating however....

 

[mochacinolatte]

I love it when people finger point away from home. Always someone's fault

Umpires/AFL are cheats

Decisions where the opposition gain goals( no mention when we benefit)

We spank the dogs, while being -8 in the count. Cats have only won 2 free kick counts, yet are in the eight

I have seen and heard these supporters up close, truly staggering

I think its a pretty unfair comment to supporters who say the umpires cost the game. Do I believe the umpire had significant on yesterday's game? Absolutely. Would we have won? 50-50 call but it should have not of been a blow out and that the score line didn't do justice on how close the game should of ended.

If you don't think that a bad umpiring decision can affect the game than you are just wrong. Do I care about the free kick differential? No. If the free is there than its there. But an umpiring call can affect a teams momentum.

The most controversial goal 1 quarter - 3:15 - Literally this goal was gifted. I don't know how any Footy follower can agree this is the right call when throughout the past 2-3 rounds most of this is a ball-up. This call sets out the tone throughout the game where you of these similar situation occur and was a ball-up and yet we get the bad end of the stick? Please.

3rd quarter 13:39 - TDK tackles Nic Nat 20meters out on a slight angle and he drops the ball and this wasn't paid a free and a ball-up. In most case this is almost a certain goal and we would of been up 25 points. This would of built our momentum through the rest of the game but 2 mins later Kennedy nails a goal and they are 13 pts behind. 12 point swing in a space of 2 mins.

AFL need to address the HTB decision because it is diabolical.