Autopsy Rd 2 vs Hawks - Blues fight but lose due to lack of class and pace ... again

[lukep_86]

What hurts even more is the success the Hawks have had, them cutting their list deeply and now they look like they're miles ahead of us

 

[dragonsblues]

Then why isn’t he reestablishing his touch in the 2s?

Most likely because the players we have in the two’s aren’t up to it.

 

[The Bighouse]

Unfortunately we do not have the system in place to teach the basic fundamentals of the game … precision kicking to advantage, lowering eyes and cleanliness is next to godliness.

That’s on the coaching department.

Players tried but the fumbles, lack of class killed them in the end.

Damning fact is every player from other clubs that go to Hawks improve, most of our recruits don’t.

That’s on the coaches as well.

I’ve had it with Voss and his shit. Imagine what Ross the boss would have done with this list and I hate that prick!

But facts are facts, recruitment and coaching and fitness department have let us down miserably.

Oh and we have no draft currency for next year, oh and what did we do last trade period???? Gave up our depth and bought in what exactly??? Oh that’s right one player who did his knee and didn’t address defence or small forwards but yeah give Owies to WC. ****ing clueless morons.

Acres, Newman, Hewett, Pittonet spring to mind.
We’ve butchered the “big-name”, big money recruits in MM & ZW but that’s more on them and their conditional efforts.
Injuries to most others.

 

[Opium]

Has anyone said what Harry's "illness" was??

Illness with his knee

 

[HarryFlashman]

Has anyone said what Harry's "illness" was??

Heart string or he was wearing socks in the kitchen and slipped over getting something out of the fridge

 

[Roxyshads]

I don't know if Voss is the man or not, but what the **** is he supposed to do? How do you make a gameplan for a team in the year 2025 when noone knows how to kick? In our side tonight I'd argue there are 3 players above average by foot, and one of them is Charlie who is absolutely cooked at the moment and we'd rather he be the target, and another is Gov who for every absolute bullet that tears a zone apart he fumbles a mark or makes a poor defensive effort. Just really, really poor list management IMO.

I absolutely agree with this. The difference is the kicking, the Hawks have multiple elite kicks, we have none, maybe McGovern but he isn’t consistent enough to be elite. This is what makes them look quicker than us. The effort was there, we did a lot right but we just aren’t as skillful And unfortunately we don’t have anyone to come in that will help this.

Silvagni must stay forward, Kemp isn’t it and hopefully get Harry back and with Charlie that’s our 3 talls, but that’s the next problem, our smalls. They just aren’t involved enough, we must persist with Motlop but I’m not sure about Williams and Fog, they just aren’t dangerous enough.

The list needs a freshen up, elite kicks and small forwards, easier said than done. We will be a middle of the road team unless something changes.

 

[Stig O'Hara]

They just kept us at bay all nite.

2 minutes out from ht, we could have been 20 points up.

Didn’t, lost momentum, then chased arse.

That’s how it goes.

 

[btdg]

I was at the game and it is now pretty clear to me that what we lack is the ability to create easy goals. All of our goals are a grind and we can grind it out with the best teams but when it comes to maximising a turnover or ‘free hit’ so to speak we are either not composed enough to make the right decision or classy enough to make sure we hit targets to create space for the easy goals. Jagga would have made a difference tonight as would straight kicking. We arent far off but I’m not sure we are coaching to better this area.

We could have won tonight but we ran out of legs due to our nature of the grind. We fix this issue and we win most games.


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This 100%. It's just so damn hard for us. Occasionally the opposition loses their bananas and we have a 5-6 goal streak but otherwise it is just so hard, and good teams can just take advantage. We've gone back to

That's 30% player availability - no McKay, Curnow still getting match fitness, no Hollands.

IT's 70% our awful ball movement and setup.

It takes herculean effort for us to match teams. Win ball --> hack it forward --> contest; repeat 3-4 times just to get a tough shot at goal.

I've wondered whether there's an issue with analytics here too. I think on balance, the highest % play to make IS to bang the ball long to the top of the goal-square, nice and slow, allowing forward pressure and defenders to set up and lock it in. If it comes to a contest that's a strength of ours too. The alternative - trying to hit a leading target, is much more risky, leads to the ball rebounding quickly on a turnove (a weakness of ours). So the analytics probably say that we score better and defend better when we play the 'grind'.

Problem is the obvious - the grind is tiring, and gets harder the more predictable it becomes. You have to pick your moments to run downhill, pick out leads, go sideways to a runner for a long bomb, etc, to draw the opposition out of position just enough that the long bomb strategy works.

We're almost back to early 2023 levels of ineptitude up forward. 6 losses in 7 games now, and in all of those except one we kicked less than 70 points. The win against West Coast doesn't count, and the game we kicked 81 was Collingwood (and we had a shot after the siren to win that missed). Today was Hawthorns second-lowest winning score since their run began. But we can't beat anyone decent if we can't score more than 70

 

[Coops93]

We don't deserve Patrick Cripps

 

[luke livingston seagull]

Ollie deserves some love. Played really tight on an AA forward in Moore, gave some run and was hard at it all night. Still think I want him on a wing but he didn’t look lost on a back flank.

 

[sparkybagger]

Yeah, we're sh*t. Another wasted year. Effort was better but there's zero game plan. They'll win 10-12 games or so on that alone and maybe sneak a couple more but we've wasted this generation of players. We're about as middle of the pack as it comes right now.

I can't see any semblance of a structure that makes it possible to evaluate our players. This isn't even entertaining to watch, it's less exciting than a funeral march.

 

[teddy-hopkins]

Were you a fan of Cripps' performance tonight?
Which part? Where he had 5 players streaming forward on the third qtr and missed the handball? Or the plethora of free kicks he gave away unnecessarily? Or the several times he turned it over foot?

It's really easy to harshly judge a player when all you do is focus on their few mistakes and fail to acknowledge the good.

Did Youngy make some mistakes tonight? Yes. Most players on the field tonight made several tonight. But overall, he was very good I thought.

Again, another example of where his measuring stick is not the same as others - we judge him unfairly IMO.

I have acknowledged in the past when he played a good game. Against brisbane in the final last year he was one of our better players.

But watch his eyes when he takes an intercept mark. He looks in one direction only - down the line. You just can't have that. Bombing down the line is death. You need him to quickly get moving and scan the options and he never does. He takes the mark and immediately stands still. Loses the moment when you can get back and quickly move it on.

The measuring stick is the same for everyone. You have to play with confidence and he refuses to - which is why he shouldn't be playing.

 

[Opium]

Docherty was in his first full/proper game back after an ACL injury. He was our 8th highest rated player on the ground, laid 9 tackles. Hardly the worst out there.

He's battling, no doubt. I think off-season we had him earmarked to play a veteran role as the sub, as Hawthorn do with Breust/Gunston, and last week was actually pretty good (unless we have another sub in the wings capable of 14 touches and 2 shots at goal in a quarter?).

Obvioulsy our lack of depth and complete shart in the bed last week has changed plans slightly, but lets not put him in the Haynes category yet.

Fumbling constantly and going to ground is a sign the game has passed you by.

 

[teddy-hopkins]

Ollie deserves some love. Played really tight on an AA forward in Moore, gave some run and was hard at it all night. Still think I want him on a wing but he didn’t look lost on a back flank.

He was good last week too.

 

[teknodeejay]

What to do with Kemp?
He isn’t a forward.
They don’t like him down back (I wasn’t so displeased)
Is he done?

 

[Opium]

I absolutely agree with this. The difference is the kicking, the Hawks have multiple elite kicks, we have none, maybe McGovern but he isn’t consistent enough to be elite. This is what makes them look quicker than us. The effort was there, we did a lot right but we just aren’t as skillful And unfortunately we don’t have anyone to come in that will help this.

Silvagni must stay forward, Kemp isn’t it and hopefully get Harry back and with Charlie that’s our 3 talls, but that’s the next problem, our smalls. They just aren’t involved enough, we must persist with Motlop but I’m not sure about Williams and Fog, they just aren’t dangerous enough.

The list needs a freshen up, elite kicks and small forwards, easier said than done. We will be a middle of the road team unless something changes.

Zac Williams is on what 800k and he performs like that consistently. 11 possessions 1 tackle. Horrible

Worse still he dictates the position he wants to play too.

 

[Murphkreuzmitch]

Not fit enough.. that's why we don't finish our work, its why we panic and its why our forward entries are shit.

Structure on the field requires players to have the capacity to run and put in big efforts when they don't have the footy. Teams like Hawthorn look great when they link handball etc, or get goal side of their opponents, and it all happens because they ALL work hard to get into their shape around the ball.

Work harder without the footy and our disposal will improve significantly.

 

[Blueing]

What to do with Kemp?
He isn’t a forward.
They don’t like him down back (I wasn’t so displeased)
Is he done?

Put him in the midfield

 

[teddy-hopkins]

We line up run and play in straight lines. The forwards play from behind when we're in our own half for some reason. Around stoppages it's only straight backwards or straight forwards. The switch doesn't work because we don't have angles through the middle creating space for the switch.

It's amazing watching the way the team moves and thinking any player from any club would look like a million dollar distributor in navy blue. There's nobody to give the ball to not under pressure because it's extremely easy to defend straight lines. Extremely easy.

Players lining up wrong side and all of.this stuff just screams coaching framework to me.

What do I or any of us know though.

Agree with that.

It's not just us watching saying it though. Every former coach / player / expert in the media says the same thing. Even that article on afl.com.au last week identified it.

We are the only team who dumps it long into the forward 50 at the rate we do it and it is not working to the naked eye nor on the stats sheets.

We're wasting the prime years of this list to this.

Would we be doing this if Longmire or Beveridge were in charge?

 

[Opium]

Our structures are all over the shop. Again tonight we were targeting Motlop in long kicks down the line. How many times before the coaches do something. Our style is so boring. Zero risk. Zero flair

 

[Arr0w]

Voss presser, I get that he wants to stay positive, but he needs to stop protecting himself and some of the players

Our forwards just didn't work hard enough with high balls or when it did hit the ground

Normally you would back in certain players to improve, but it's gone past that now with B2B games

There was much better signs, but we need to narrow the gap between weak to strong phases

How a limited role player in Hewett, can continue to churn out consistent efforts throughout the game, yet more talent players are non existent for long periods, and or ignore team ethos acts, is genuinely beyond belief

 

[Kernafides]

Agreed. The coaches had a game plan that seemed to stop the most in form team in the comp in their tracks. The players did not deliver. The loss is on the players.

I agree but they're just better. Maybe with a super fit charlie and Harry things may have been different. I'm a firm believer on defence before attack though. Outside of weiters we are sketchy. Doesn't help with vanilla mids like Walsh and cez

 

[TENACIOUS]

Like the “effort was there” slogan after a loss…

Isn’t (effort) along with executing the basic fundamentals, a requirement to be an AFL footballer

 

[Blues2013]

-Game plan outdated
-Jack spends pre season playing in the back and that experiment lasts 3/4 of round 1
-If TDK leaves we are bottom 4 team

• can’t run out a game
• we are off the pace

Warning bells all around

 

[Blueing]

I would even play McKay on the wing