Recruiting players with skill

[Porps_is_HOT_loz]

I'd be crying too, crying that we have a recruiting staff that were willing to let him slide past the first three rounds!

Hahahaha

 

[Campbell's Chunky]

Oh my god..
This is how much I didnt know back then

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[NTRabbit]

Definately think we will look at a midfielder .........currently we do not have enough muscle at the stoppages ........an inside midfielder would be my priority.

Not including the newbies, this is our current list of inside midfielders:
Campbell
Dangerfield (yes, he's a newbie but here for my point since he will play next year)
Doughty
Douglas
Edwards
Goodwin
Mackay
Porplyzia
Shirley
Thompson
Van Berlo
Vince

This is our current list of outside midfielders:
Knights
McLeod
Symes

We don't need more inside midfielders, and if we go drafting them again (unless they're best talent available who have miraculously slipped) then Rendell ought to be shot. What we desperately need is a super fast outside midfielder, someone with at least the pace and 'dodge' that McLeod no longer has, and preferably disposal efficiency better than Knights and Symes, who suffer from the same poor kicking that nearly every outside mid in the comp has.

 

[Porps_is_HOT_loz]

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[Porps_is_HOT_loz]

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Speechless.

please take that sig off now

 

[-VC-]

Lets just Rookie list him

Pffft, these are the sort of posts that drag the standard of BigFooty down. Watts is bottom aged, so can't be rookie listed.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Not including the newbies, this is our current list of inside midfielders:
Campbell
Dangerfield (yes, he's a newbie but here for my point since he will play next year)
Doughty
Douglas
Edwards
Goodwin
Mackay
Porplyzia
Shirley
Thompson
Van Berlo
Vince

This is our current list of outside midfielders:
Knights
McLeod
Symes

We don't need more inside midfielders, and if we go drafting them again (unless they're best talent available who have miraculously slipped) then Rendell ought to be shot. What we desperately need is a super fast outside midfielder, someone with at least the pace and 'dodge' that McLeod no longer has, and preferably disposal efficiency better than Knights and Symes, who suffer from the same poor kicking that nearly every outside mid in the comp has.

Have to disagree on a couple of levels:

1. Your classification of inside / outside Crows players is just plain wrong
The Crows insist on players going in to get the contested ball ....all players

But I classify inside midfielders as extractors and clearance experts ......and generally the successful one are strong bodied

I don't classify Doughty, Douglas, Edwards, Goodwin, Mackay, Van Berlo or Vince as inside specialist midfielders .......Porplyzia, Shirley, Thompson, and Symes definately inside players

The first group of players as I said whilst you will find them on the bottom of packs the preference is for Poplyzia to feed the ball by hand out to Goodwin, Vince, Douglas, Van Berlo ect ....who are the line runners

Symes is slowish and an ordinary kick ......what has won him praise is his ability to get in and get the ball out of contested packs.

2. This year we were too light around the packs .....unable to break free in pack situations .....unable o lay tackles and stop the opposition forwrd movement ....or force a turnover

Poplyzia in the midfield will be great ....in 3 years time Dangerfield will be a premier inside midfielder .....I just think we need another

Cooke, Jacky, are also light bodied ......this crows squad ATS is the lightest squad we have ever had

 

[NTRabbit]

Have to disagree on a couple of levels:

1. Your classification of inside / outside Crows players is just plain wrong
The Crows insist on players going in to get the contested ball ....all players

But I classify inside midfielders as extractors and clearance experts ......and generally the successful one are strong bodied

I don't classify Doughty, Douglas, Edwards, Goodwin, Mackay, Van Berlo or Vince as inside specialist midfielders .......Porplyzia, Shirley, Thompson, and Symes definately inside players

The first group of players as I said whilst you will find them on the bottom of packs the preference is for Poplyzia to feed the ball by hand out to Goodwin, Vince, Douglas, Van Berlo ect ....who are the line runners

Symes is slowish and an ordinary kick ......what has won him praise is his ability to get in and get the ball out of contested packs.

2. This year we were too light around the packs .....unable to break free in pack situations .....unable o lay tackles and stop the opposition forwrd movement ....or force a turnover

Poplyzia in the midfield will be great ....in 3 years time Dangerfield will be a premier inside midfielder .....I just think we need another

Cooke, Jacky, are also light bodied ......this crows squad ATS is the lightest squad we have ever had

Sorry, but you're just plain wrong in your classifications. In fact, you're not even close, no one could confuse Symes for an inside mid when he actually gets a rotation there since he plays entire games off the half back line, Doughty and Edwards have been insiders their whole career, Goodwin was a Ruck Rover, VB and Vince are as well.

The reason we were often outbodied at the contests is because

• Porplyzia couldn't play midfield after doing his shoulder
• Douglas played small forward all season
• Goodwin played injured and/or forward all season
• Vince, VB and Mackay are all still young and of slighter build than players a few years older
• Dangerfield barely played, and when he did he was also exposed as being underweight, though he at least demonstrated quite a bit of potential in the role

With half our playing inside mids underweight, what else would you expect when coming up against a side with insiders at peak age? And you think adding a brand new 17 year old insider will actually make the slightest bit of difference?

The major problem is that our entire midfield, inside and out, is one paced. McLeod has lost a few yards in recent years, what we've really been missing is an outside receiver who can take the ball and burn off anyone trying to tackle him while moving forward with purpose. Yet another inside mid feeding the ball out to a pair in Knights and Symes who lack the pace to run through a flood and have average disposal into the forward line won't change a thing.

 

[WALL-e]

Lets just Rookie list him

Don't waste a rookie pick on him.

Ship him to Ireland for a year and do it that way.

 

[Mismatched]

Sorry, but you're just plain wrong in your classifications. In fact, you're not even close, no one could confuse Symes for an inside mid when he actually gets a rotation there since he plays entire games off the half back line, Doughty and Edwards have been insiders their whole career, Goodwin was a Ruck Rover, VB and Vince are as well.


The reason we were often outbodied at the contests is because

• Porplyzia couldn't play midfield after doing his shoulder
• Douglas played small forward all season
• Goodwin played injured and/or forward all season
• Vince, VB and Mackay are all still young and of slighter build than players a few years older
• Dangerfield barely played, and when he did he was also exposed as being underweight, though he at least demonstrated quite a bit of potential in the role

With half our playing inside mids underweight, what else would you expect when coming up against a side with insiders at peak age? And you think adding a brand new 17 year old insider will actually make the slightest bit of difference?

The major problem is that our entire midfield, inside and out, is one paced. McLeod has lost a few yards in recent years, what we've really been missing is an outside receiver who can take the ball and burn off anyone trying to tackle him while moving forward with purpose. Yet another inside mid feeding the ball out to a pair in Knights and Symes who lack the pace to run through a flood and have average disposal into the forward line won't change a thing.

Mate, I'm sorry, but Symes does play in the midfield and one of his greatest strengths is his ability to get to the bottom of the pack and dish out.

One of my pet hates though, is this apparent diffinitive classification of midfielders as either inside or out, with the outsider tag quite often being a polite way of saying someone is "soft", whereas the insider is a tough nut who gets the hard ball, but lacks in skills. IMO you can't just classify every player as one or the other, some players yes, but definitely not all and especially in this day and age you've got to be able to combine a bit of both.

IMO a lot of our players have both an inside and outside game, your true, absolute definition of an outside players don't have to be super quick, but what they do have to do is deliver. Goodwin, Edwards, Vince, Mackay, Porplyzia, Reilly, van Berlo and Douglas IMO all have the ability to do this, however at the Crows, we value the ability to get the hard ball extremely highly, unlike those down the road and hence you will see them in there dishing the ball out.

I agree though that we are one paced and lacking in line breakers, especially in the second half of the year, however we do have some quality young line breakers in Porplyzia, Vince, Mackay and Knights, with Dangerfield coming through, adding some pace, but yes another superquick player with good skills wouldn't go astray.

 

[BunjiMac]

Not including the newbies, this is our current list of inside midfielders:
Campbell
Dangerfield (yes, he's a newbie but here for my point since he will play next year)
Doughty
Douglas
Edwards
Goodwin
Mackay
Porplyzia
Shirley
Thompson
Van Berlo
Vince

This is our current list of outside midfielders:
Knights
McLeod
Symes

We don't need more inside midfielders, and if we go drafting them again (unless they're best talent available who have miraculously slipped) then Rendell ought to be shot. What we desperately need is a super fast outside midfielder, someone with at least the pace and 'dodge' that McLeod no longer has, and preferably disposal efficiency better than Knights and Symes, who suffer from the same poor kicking that nearly every outside mid in the comp has.

They are the only 2 i would call true inside midfielders...

and how did Mckay get confused as an inside midfielder lol..

 

[XFactor1979]

i think the issue is neil craig's regime at the team

he has this system where he churns out robots, no fault of him because he was involved in olympic cycling

by doing this it meant that the creative edge went out of the crows system. instead players became robots something not synonymous with the team at height of its success - the whole element of unpredictability and individual brilliance

adelaide at their best was a team that was super creative with 'individuals' - eg mcleod, darren and andrew jarman, rehn, modra, smart, all players who were individuals, but somehow malcolm blight somehow managed to put all those individuals together to win a couple of premierships

that is something neil craig has not done, he is currently failing with the regime and probably will fail in the overall grand scheme of things. in that he is trying to assemble a team with nameless clones who can do a little bit of everything = NO SUCCESS!

 

[Stephen2]

Troll or stupid?

 

[Niximus]

i think the issue is neil craig's regime at the team

he has this system where he churns out robots, no fault of him because he was involved in olympic cycling

by doing this it meant that the creative edge went out of the crows system. instead players became robots something not synonymous with the team at height of its success - the whole element of unpredictability and individual brilliance

adelaide at their best was a team that was super creative with 'individuals' - eg mcleod, darren and andrew jarman, rehn, modra, smart, all players who were individuals, but somehow malcolm blight somehow managed to put all those individuals together to win a couple of premierships

that is something neil craig has not done, he is currently failing with the regime and probably will fail in the overall grand scheme of things. in that he is trying to assemble a team with nameless clones who can do a little bit of everything = NO SUCCESS!

Short memories much? in 05-06 we were clinical and ran over almost all before us, yes we ultimately didn't win a flag but we lost 2 Prelims by 16 points and 10 points. With our record over Sydney in recent years it isn't too much to say that we probably would have won at least one if not both of those grand finals if we had made them

 

[do u do i ton prov]

Get SCHOENMAKERSSSSSSS!

 

[Gary17]

Short memories much? in 05-06 we were clinical and ran over almost all before us, yes we ultimately didn't win a flag but we lost 2 Prelims by 16 points and 10 points. With our record over Sydney in recent years it isn't too much to say that we probably would have won at least one if not both of those grand finals if we had made them

Exactly, and it's the clinical, "don't rely on emotion and individual brilliance to win" style that Craigy's instilled that has enabled us to even up the score in the Showdowns. We used to get all fired up against Port and lose. Now we keep calm and focussed and win our share. It's also what has us staying top 8 and almost top 4 when others are writing us off.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

i think the issue is neil craig's regime at the team

he has this system where he churns out robots, no fault of him because he was involved in olympic cycling

by doing this it meant that the creative edge went out of the crows system. instead players became robots something not synonymous with the team at height of its success - the whole element of unpredictability and individual brilliance

adelaide at their best was a team that was super creative with 'individuals' - eg mcleod, darren and andrew jarman, rehn, modra, smart, all players who were individuals, but somehow malcolm blight somehow managed to put all those individuals together to win a couple of premierships

that is something neil craig has not done, he is currently failing with the regime and probably will fail in the overall grand scheme of things. in that he is trying to assemble a team with nameless clones who can do a little bit of everything = NO SUCCESS!

Good post.

NC often uses the words "take risks" "play with flair" and "don't always look for the perfect play" but I'm not sure he actually believes what he is saying.

 

[Hondo]

Birdman, Macca, Stiffy, Bock, Porplyzia and Gill certainly don't play like robots

And to the extent that they stick to the game plan surely watching the Hawks take disciplined, tough, accountable footy to a new level 1 week ago makes the speptics realise why. Geez, I have just come home from the SANFL GF where Roy Laird and his Doggies played tough, close and (arguably) boring football ... and brought home yet another premiership.

Another stupid myth about the NC and the lads

 

[Elite Crow]

After reading Stiffy 18's comments on recruiting skillful players, I thought it might be worth bumping this thread.

We are still carrying too many players that will cost you by not being able to excute skill under pressure. This must be addressed this year if we are going to have a realistic hope going forward.

 

[Slippery Pete]

Good post.

NC often uses the words "take risks" "play with flair" and "don't always look for the perfect play" but I'm not sure he actually believes what he is saying.

Either that, or he wants them to be perfect in NOT being perfect.

I think that no matter what the gameplan (high risk or low risk), Neil will demand pin point perfect execution, and world record numbers.

Also, we should recruit players with more arrogance. Like Nigel. Gee I loved Nige.

 

[WALL-e]

This thread is a massive Loz Video fest.

 

[Elite Crow]

This thread is a massive Loz Video fest.

Yeh, I'm waiting for this years version and footage of Sam Day

 

[WALL-e]

We should get this guy, David Swallow....

 

[NTRabbit]

Stephen Hill is not what we need, and Steele Sidebottom and Chris Yarran are tall forwards

 

[cmndstab]

I did like her suggestion that we target Jack Watts with our fourth round draft pick And to think, we went with Tom Lee instead.