Rendell on 5AA

[cmndstab]

Rendell was just on 5AA, was scathing when talking about how poor this year's draft is, he also basically said that Gold Coast/West Sydney will be unbeatable from 2014/2015 forward.

He said there was only one really good ruckman in the draft this year (listed McKernan, Naitanui, Vickery, Cordy and Trengove as the five really good ones last year) and that probably only six elite players in the draft and after the top 6 it trails out really quickly.

Said that SA have the best U16 group they've ever had and that next year's draft will include a lot of top SA kids.

Said something about Gold Coast being allowed to take 12 kids born between Jan 1st and April 30th 1992 in addition to their other picks, I wasn't aware of that. He reckons there are 8 kids in that group that would be top 20 picks any other year.

He indicated that the Crows would stagger the retirements of their senior players, and said they have been doing so for a while ie Massie, Torney, Hart etc so that they wouldn't suddenly have eight senior guns retire in one year. Sounds to me like at least one of the big names will be gone at the end of this year.

I'll get it uploaded shortly.

 

[Campbell's Chunky]

Re: Rendell on SEN!

Rendell was just on 5AA, was scathing when talking about how poor this year's draft is, he also basically said that Gold Coast/West Sydney will be unbeatable from 2014/2015 forward.

He said there was only one really good ruckman in the draft this year (listed McKernan, Naitanui, Vickery, Cordy and Trengove as the five really good ones last year) and that probably only six elite players in the draft and after the top 6 it trails out really quickly.

Said that SA have the best U16 group they've ever had and that next year's draft will include a lot of top SA kids.

Said something about Gold Coast being allowed to take 12 kids born between Jan 1st and April 30th 1992 in addition to their other picks, I wasn't aware of that. He reckons there are 8 kids in that group that would be top 20 picks any other year.

I'll get it uploaded shortly.

Anything about last years crop of youngens??

 

[cmndstab]

Nah, nothing. I can't believe they didn't ask him about it. Other than listing McKernan in the five elite ruckmen. (He didn't actually mention Vickery, but he kept saying he forgot somebody so I'm assuming it's Vickery)

 

[Riggy1]

He indicated that the Crows would stagger the retirements of their senior players, and said they have been doing so for a while ie Massie, Torney, Hart etc so that they wouldn't suddenly have eight senior guns retire in one year. Sounds to me like at least one of the big names will be gone at the end of this year.

I'll get it uploaded shortly.

All signs are pointing to McLeod for this year.

Hopefully he can win another Norm Smith medal this year to end his career

 

[cmndstab]

Rendell also spent a fair bit of time talking about how Gold Coast and West Sydney will end up with 20-odd first round draft picks (or equivalent) in their side. Mentioned that St Kilda currently have 17 in their squad, whereas the Crows only have 7.

 

[James23]

Going to be pretty pissed off after doing so much awesome recruiting and development over the last few years, to meet 2 super amazing teams artificially created by the AFL, right when our 'window' is open

 

[Campbell's Chunky]

Going to be pretty pissed off after doing so much awesome recruiting and development over the last few years, to meet 2 super amazing teams artificially created by the AFL, right when our 'window' is open

They may have 30 number 1 picks, however they still don't have Ricky Henderson!

 

[birdmanptr]

Rendell was just on 5AA, was scathing when talking about how poor this year's draft is, he also basically said that Gold Coast/West Sydney will be unbeatable from 2014/2015 forward.

He said there was only one really good ruckman in the draft this year (listed McKernan, Naitanui, Vickery, Cordy and Trengove as the five really good ones last year) and that probably only six elite players in the draft and after the top 6 it trails out really quickly.

Said that SA have the best U16 group they've ever had and that next year's draft will include a lot of top SA kids.

Said something about Gold Coast being allowed to take 12 kids born between Jan 1st and April 30th 1992 in addition to their other picks, I wasn't aware of that. He reckons there are 8 kids in that group that would be top 20 picks any other year.

He indicated that the Crows would stagger the retirements of their senior players, and said they have been doing so for a while ie Massie, Torney, Hart etc so that they wouldn't suddenly have eight senior guns retire in one year. Sounds to me like at least one of the big names will be gone at the end of this year.

I'll get it uploaded shortly.

So the question although slighty of topic has to be asked what future has

Richmond
Melbourne

Then Bulldogs who are not bad now but you would have to think on the way down after some fair years
Carlton
Sydney

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Rendell was just on 5AA, was scathing when talking about how poor this year's draft is, he also basically said that Gold Coast/West Sydney will be unbeatable from 2014/2015 forward.

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Yeah just spent the whole day watching the U18's on Foxtel .....and really nothing to get all that excited about .......certainly when comparing my feelings after watching last years which just had exciting players doing special things.

Skills on the whole over the whole day were ordinary to say the least ......continual turnovers with easy targets being missed and hardly anyone holding anything but the simplest of marks

If Skully is touted #1 then he's certainly not in the class of the top 10 of last seasons draft .........good player who I'd put in the Brock Maclean mould of being a good AFL midfielder .....but certainly no champion

James Craig the ruckman from SA certainly the pick of the ruckmen and shows good agility, speed and desire to get physical

Not many KPP to write home about and the club was wise to go to the well so hard last year for talls .......that said Sth Australias Day is a very good KPP prospect although not eligible for this years draft and likely to go to the GC17

There should be though some good midfielders available to us as it's certainly going to be a good midfield draft.
West Australia had 4-5 good midfielders over the championship ........Trengove, Alex Carey, and Sumner were good in the midfield all day for SA

For West Aust in order of midfielders I liked were Morabito, Winmar, Kane Lucas and Coyler

For Vic Country really like Ben Cunnington who was quick, agressive and still looked to have some good development in him

Lots of small midfielders around the 175cm but Adelaide have always liked the taller types and midfielders who can mark.
That said Wanganeen for SA although relatively quiet today looks to have a really good sidestep and some tricks ........the few times he did get the ball he was very sure with his hands.

Overall disappointing day .......but I'll watch the last 2 games again and maybe I'll get a bit more excited about the draft

 

[cmndstab]

I love listening to Rendell He has no problems just coming out and dumping crap on stuff if he thinks it, he's always so open, even if he is totally depressing to listen to here. I like that he just openly comes and complains about the draft pick concessions all the time, it's a slight departure from the usual tight-lipped professionalism of the club.

I have it all cut up now and it's uploading (its about ten minutes away) so I'll listen to it now and give a bit of a summary.


rendell.mp3 - 11.43MB - what do you know, by the time I finished typing this it was uploaded already



Most of what he talked about was prompted by questions from Rowe and Cornes, not just his own stream of thought. I didn't realise first time I listened to this (I was doing some other stuff at the same time) just how negative he was about the whole GC17/West Sydney thing.

Was asked about the U18s, said that the whole carnival was "a bit shabby" and that there isn't much depth. When Rowe asked "are you saying there's the top ten and then it drops away?" he said maybe five or six, "probably outside of our pick".

Said the previous two drafts have been "very good". Says that this draft would be alright if the bottom-agers weren't removed from the draft pool, but still not as good as the last two drafts.

Said there's 20 or so kids not eligible from the championships due to the age restriction, and that Gold Coast can pick the best 12. Says normally there's 3-4 kids in the first round from that age group, but this year it's more like 8.

Said clubs are more likely to trade their picks and retain senior players this year, but that clubs almost certainly won't trade early first rounders ("they'll be like a diamond this year"). He said this draft will be "a bit different to the last two" for him and the rest of the recruiting staff.

Indicated that there are more natural footballers than athletes in this year's draft. Listed Scully, Trengove, Martin, Cunnington and Stevens as "five of the best midfielders". Said they were tough, in-and-under, and had some athleticism but that they were primarily footballers. Said Trengove will probably go top 5 and that he had a fantastic carnival, far and a way the best SA player. Listed Panos as a likely SA draftee, but said he wasn't as good today. Said James Craig is a great ruckman but about the only one, siad it was a "very lean year" for ruckmen, said "Craig and then a fair gap". Said Tapscott started off slowly today but finished very well.

Indicated that mature footballers from WAFL, SANFL and VFL are likely to be picked up. Says he went to a VFL match and 12 other recruiters were there. Says he's been watching senior SANFL players, "19, 20, 21, 22 or maybe even a bit older might be a chance this year".

Was asked about GC17, said that the general public won't realise how good the concessions are until 2014 when they are nigh-unbeatable. Said GC17 will "effectively" get 17 first round draft picks. Said West Sydney will get "an unknown number of bottom age kids", and that then West Sydney will get the nine first round picks for two years in a row. He went on to say that "we reckon that, conservatively, West Sydney will get 23 first round picks before they've played a single game". He followed it up with "I don't know how many people realise what's going to happen" to the groans of Cornes.

Cornes tried to say that we'd still have a good team but Rendell said that "I estimate that West Sydney and Gold Coast will probably win ten flags in a row between them from 2015 to 2025, so if we expect to do much we'd better get in early". He said that Champion Data statistics will tell you that there is a massive difference between first round picks and every other pick in the draft, no surprises there.

Rowe asked what it would mean about list management. Cited the signings today and Rendell said "Oh, okay," in a way that said he wasn't aware of the signings. Rowe asked about the four senior guns, Rendell said that they would stagger their departure so they don't lose four players in a year, and said that they've been carefully managing it for a couple of years with players like Massie, Torney, and Ben Hart before them, and McGregor. "One or two a year". Said that all the senior players were playing "great footy at the moment" (even though Burton isn't playing )

Said that the draft is a lot better next year, with a lot more players in it, and that "reliable sources" had told him that SA had their best under 16 group ever, and that they were playing in Sydney next week, and he'd be heading up to watch them next week.

 

[cmndstab]

Going to be pretty pissed off after doing so much awesome recruiting and development over the last few years, to meet 2 super amazing teams artificially created by the AFL, right when our 'window' is open

To be fair, 2015-forward isn't exactly our window. The bigger problem is going to be for those guys at the bottom of the comp now. They won't have the draft there to save them, and then when they develop the picks they do get to start being a force around 2013 or so, GC17 and West Sydney come in and start dominating.

 

[cmndstab]

I reckon I might crosspost this on the main forums, that's such a huge call from Rendell about the ten flags. Might see if it can generate some discussion.

 

[WALL-e]

Thanks Stabreagus

 

[Crow-mo]

I think he's just been provocative talking about the success of gold coast and west sydney.

free agency and salary caps will hold them back from all maturing together. not to mention the intrinsic risk of draft picks sucking arse.

 

[Southerntakeover]

Going to be pretty pissed off after doing so much awesome recruiting and development over the last few years, to meet 2 super amazing teams artificially created by the AFL, right when our 'window' is open

Opens an opportunity though. Will directly weaken other clubs who arent already placed as well as we are.

 

[cmndstab]

I think he's just been provocative talking about the success of gold coast and west sydney.

free agency and salary caps will hold them back from all maturing together. not to mention the intrinsic risk of draft picks sucking arse.

The salary cap is going to be so interesting. Let's say that they do end up picking up ten elite players in that group, they're all going to want decent money. Ten elite players paid what they're worth probably sees your salary cap full.

 

[Crow-mo]

The salary cap is going to be so interesting. Let's say that they do end up picking up ten elite players in that group, they're all going to want decent money. Ten elite players paid what they're worth probably sees your salary cap full.

Spot on.

plus they have to get their off field structures right, appoint the right coaches, facilities etc.

if the crowds are slow to come, will the energy be there in the club.

the league is doing the right thing, by giving them such a leg up they can't help but be competitive early on. thus avoiding Bears/swans like scenarios. I think Rendell is implying mischievously that they went too far.

but we'll see. I think players might find it pretty easy to leave those clubs.

 

[cmndstab]

Spot on.

plus they have to get their off field structures right, appoint the right coaches, facilities etc.

if the crowds are slow to come, will the energy be there in the club.

the league is doing the right thing, by giving them such a leg up they can't help but be competitive early on. thus avoiding Bears/swans like scenarios. I think Rendell is implying mischievously that they went too far.

but we'll see. I think players might find it pretty easy to leave those clubs.

I think Rendell is wishing he had access to some decent draft picks for a change!

 

[Chief Crow]

Knowing Rendell, we should all assume that none of the players he mentioned he has any plans on recruiting with our 1st pick. Just like the last 2 years he will keep very quiet on the ones he really wants

 

[macca23]

Knowing Rendell, we should all assume that none of the players he mentioned he has any plans on recruiting with our 1st pick. Just like the last 2 years he will keep very quiet on the ones he really wants

As he should be!!

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

I think he's just been provocative talking about the success of gold coast and west sydney.

free agency and salary caps will hold them back from all maturing together. not to mention the intrinsic risk of draft picks sucking arse.

agree, not to mention many Vic boys will want to return home to a traditional foort state

bottom line is that they still need to develop these boys and to develop a winning footy culture

 

[jenny61_99]

Won't the new teams "trade off" their top picks though for good players? Sure they'll keep a good half dozen or so, but surely they'll want established, experienced players as well?

 

[Drummond]

Rendell was just on 5AA, was scathing when talking about how poor this year's draft is, he also basically said that Gold Coast/West Sydney will be unbeatable from 2014/2015 forward.

He said there was only one really good ruckman in the draft this year (listed McKernan, Naitanui, Vickery, Cordy and Trengove as the five really good ones last year) and that probably only six elite players in the draft and after the top 6 it trails out really quickly.

Said that SA have the best U16 group they've ever had and that next year's draft will include a lot of top SA kids.

Said something about Gold Coast being allowed to take 12 kids born between Jan 1st and April 30th 1992 in addition to their other picks, I wasn't aware of that. He reckons there are 8 kids in that group that would be top 20 picks any other year.

He indicated that the Crows would stagger the retirements of their senior players, and said they have been doing so for a while ie Massie, Torney, Hart etc so that they wouldn't suddenly have eight senior guns retire in one year. Sounds to me like at least one of the big names will be gone at the end of this year.

I'll get it uploaded shortly.

This is what gets me, as they are receiving so many top draft picks they are going to be absolutely ridiculously good in a few years. I'm glad to hear Rendell back up my feelings.

 

[Drummond]

If Skully is touted #1 then he's certainly not in the class of the top 10 of last seasons draft .........good player who I'd put in the Brock Maclean mould of being a good AFL midfielder .....but certainly no champion

Thankyou! I went over to the Drafts + Trading board and I see post after post going on about how brilliant he is, saying that he would step into sides right now, Melbourne supporters saying that they're thrilled with finishing last ect.

To me Scully looks workmanlike, not massive upside, and certainly not on the level of other drafts top tier midfielders.

 

[P.A.F.C]

Rendell also spent a fair bit of time talking about how Gold Coast and West Sydney will end up with 20-odd first round draft picks (or equivalent) in their side. Mentioned that St Kilda currently have 17 in their squad, whereas the Crows only have 7.

They'll have lots of draft picks to play with. A fair percentage will be traded, and other clubs will have greater bargaining power.

The way I see it, the AFL are trying to make sure Gold Coast aren't a rabble in their first few years. Fremantle got shit concessions and struggled. Port did ok but it was predicted we wouldn't win a game in our first year, by many experts. In a competitive, disinterested and most likely fickle Queensland market, the AFL can't let the same happen.