RFC Player Management

[tigers71]

Not really when you consider that Richo probably has 2-3 years left it gives us 4 young KP forwards to develop. Remember 3 of them would be 18-19 years old and would not be expected to carry the side until Richo has retired. The way I look at it is KP take longer to develop than mids, by having those 4 in development by time they are ready the mids are entering the best period of their careers as well. If all come on then we have some real depth in that area which is not a bad thing.

Kruezer is touted as 1 at present but Cotchin could just as easliy go there or for that fact some kid from interstate could just as easily pop up.

Tell Cotchin not go in the National draft and pick him up in the PSD. Thats how I would do it!! We get the players we want

 

[jezza]

Tell Cotchin not go in the National draft and pick him up in the PSD. Thats how I would do it!! We get the players we want

I believe there are rules preventing that from happening.

 

[RichosGuns]

Something which occurred to me earlier today as I read the huns article on Polak and his desire to go forward.

Didn't Schulz play some pretty decent games at CHB a few years back?

Maybe we should try swapping them...

No...Schultz has always been very poor at CHB. Think about, CHB requires two or three times the work rate of FF, he just couldn't fill the position.

I like Polak foward though, if we didnt have such a shite defense his excellent hands would be very usefull up in the 50

 

[beaver fever]

No...Schultz has always been very poor at CHB. Think about, CHB requires two or three times the work rate of FF, he just couldn't fill the position.

I like Polak foward though, if we didnt have such a shite defense his excellent hands would be very usefull up in the 50

Very ordinary performance from Schulz in the magoos playing at CHB on Miller. Played well when put into the forward line kicking 3 goals.

 

[Goldust]

How about this scenario,

- Riewoldt leaves StKilda and comes to Richmond via the PSD (there has been plenty of rumours and he has a reason to come to us).
- Schulz would then become expendible, giving us some bait to lure a player such as Deluca.
- Send Meyer to Adelaide for Meesen.

We would have then solved our ruck problem for a while, with two capable 21-22 year old ruckman.

- Use pick 1 on Cotchin for midfield/Leadership depth or well and truely secure our ruck/KP forward stocks with Kruezer.
- Pick 18 and 20 to be used on the Best KP defender and either a ruckman or inside mid (depending on what was used with the 1st Pick)
- With the remaining picks, add another KP defender (or 2) and stock up on Mids
- Promote King and Howat, leaving two positions on the rookie list for two Key position players, one key defender and one forward, who may develope into good players with some work.

Here's the point. Meyer needs to pull his finger out and prove that he is at least the equal or sligtly worse than Meeson.
The Crows are smart...they wouldn't be interested in a guy who is doing his best at the moment to have a short career in the SANFL.
He is showing nothing.....absolutely nothing. Is heading the same way as Limbach...delisting, then VFL or SANFL.

 

[beaver fever]

Thought I would bring this back up to discuss where the Richmond list is at. After 8 rounds we need to win 10 of the next 14 to make the finals, which would suggest we are not going to make them. So how do we improve the list?

Here is what we have (subject to opinion):

Key Position Defenders: Thursfield, McGuane, Rance, Gourdis, Silvestor (R)

Key Position Forwards: Richardson, Riewoldt, Hughes

Rucks: Simmonds, Graham, Cartledge (R)

Utilities: Schulz, Polak, Pattison, Putt

Defenders: Moore, Oakley-Nicholls, Raines, Newman, King, Casserly, McMahon

Forwards: Brown, Bowden, Pettifer, Morton, Meyer, Collard (R)

Inside Midfielders: Foley, Johnson, Coughlan, Tambling, Cotchin

Outside Midfielders: Deledio, Connors, Edwards, Tivendale, Collins, White, Howat (R)

Taggers: Polo, Jackson, Hyde, Tuck

From that list here are the following players I think have question marks over them and should be upgraded in the next years:
Johnson
Bowden
Tivendale
Pettifer
Coughlan
Hyde
McMahon
Polak
Howat
Silvester
Schulz
Cartledge
Pattison
Raines
Jackson
Meyer
Polo
Hughes
McGuane
White
JON

So 20 players out of 44 considering 3 are rookies thats 17 senior listed players. Johnson, Bowden, Tivendale, Hyde, Coughlan will finish their careers at Richmond I believe with perhaps all 5 being moved on after this season. The rest are summarised below:

McMahon - Has played some decent football, but his unaccountability is a big weakness. Perhaps he is more suited to play on the wing.

Polak - I don't think he is going to hold down a key defensive post (he was drafted for this) and his strong marking may mean he is more suited in the forwardline. Could have some value as a trade.

Schulz - Has reinvented himself at CHB this season and has improved. Whether or not he cements his position is dependent on his form for the rest of the season. Is still useful in the forwardline. If he hasn't locked in a position by seasons end then trade/delist.

Pattison - Big motor but probably too slow for CHF and Riewoldt has that possie locked anyway I think. Needs more time to prove his worth in the ruck. I think we can find a better player for his position.

Raines - Useful stopper in defense but nothing great. Needs time to show his worth in midfield, otherwise off to Gold Coast.

Jackson - Is athletic and hard. Needs more time at AFL level and is definitely on the cusp of delisting.

Meyer - Injury has hurt his chances bad and only unforeseen improvement over the next 14 weeks will save him.

Polo - Injury affected and like Jackson needs more time in the seniors.

Hughes - Pretty soft and his form this year has been disappointing. Could be traded at the end of the year.

McGuane - Has played well this year but will be overtaken by Rance I'd suggest. Could provide some currency in trade time.

White - Has improved a lot, and is hard at it. Is proving himself more every week, but he will have to improve much more if he isn't to be overtaken.

JON - Much maligned given his early draft selection. Has so far shown poor disposal, poor decision making but has also shown hardness and a good attitude. I think he has improved this year at Coburg and maybe a player, but needs to work much harder on his awareness and kicking skills.

 

[beaver fever]

Ok so we obviously have some major structural areas of concern that need to be improved.

KP Backs: Thursfield looks set to take on the opposition mobile Key Position Forwards but we need someone to take on the big bodies KPFs. Rance is our big hope here and in the mean time Schulz is our man. McGuane and Gourdis are more suited to the mobile KPFs. Need some 195+ cm options.

KP Forwards: Richardson can probably only manage another 2 seasons tops and Riewoldt will take CHF. Hughes at the moment is looking like he won't make it. Hopefully Polak makes FF his own and Putt perhaps may prove a difficult match up. Still need 195+ cm options.

Rucks: Simmonds is getting on and the rest are all developing. Needs immediate action, which is probably why we are likely to target Warnock.

Defenders: Need more skill and accountability. Missing a tough small defender as King is too unaccountable and is probably more suited as a tagger. Need the class of Casserly to come into the side. Maybe Meyer can find a spot here.

Forwards: Brown and Bowden are getting old and Pettifer is out of favour. Morton looks ok so far, but we are really missing a defensive crumbing forward here.

Inside Midfielders: Johnson is getting on and the only bonofide class inside midfielder we have at the moment is Foley. Tambling should be able to become the player we hoped in this regard and add in Cotchin pinch hits. One more class inside midfielder would be high on our list of priorities.

Outside midfielders: The one area I feel we are ok in. Deledio, Edwards, Connors and Collins look the goods.

Taggers: Hyde and Jackson will probably be moved on and that leaves Tuck and Polo. I think this is where Tuck will provide the most use to our team and Polo needs to improve a lot before he gets another look.

So where does everyone think we should focus our energies on to patch up the various holes in our list?

 

[RichosGuns]

Serioulsy, this year we need to draft a full foward FFS!

We drafted Putt as a speculatative pick last year, but it's hard to see him become more anything then a utiliy who spends time as a 3rd tall and/or 2nd ruck.

In reality we will probably finish with a top 6 pick. If Rich, Natatuni and Hurley are all still available, I think he need to pass on them and take the best possible Key Position Foward. In the long term this is the position we are lacking. Hughes seems to be playing more at fullfoward at Coburg, but he along with Riewoldt, are really CHF's. Morton is our fullfoward at this stage, and kicking 1.6 or so goals a game isn't enough for a fullfoward, esspecially when he is 6 foot and not a long time KPP prospect

 

[beaver fever]

Serioulsy, this year we need to draft a full foward FFS!

We drafted Putt as a speculatative pick last year, but it's hard to see him become more anything then a utiliy who spends time as a 3rd tall and/or 2nd ruck.

In reality we will probably finish with a top 6 pick. If Rich, Natatuni and Hurley are all still available, I think he need to pass on them and take the best possible Key Position Foward. In the long term this is the position we are lacking. Hughes seems to be playing more at fullfoward at Coburg, but he along with Riewoldt, are really CHF's. Morton is our fullfoward at this stage, and kicking 1.6 or so goals a game isn't enough for a fullfoward, esspecially when he is 6 foot and not a long time KPP prospect

No way would we pass on any of those 3 and besides Hurley is supposedly the top KPP in the draft who can play FB/CHB/CHF/FF.

 

[RichosGuns]

My ratings for each position:

Tallbacks 8/10.
We have really settled in this position this year. With Thurty, McGuane and Schultz (should be in team) taking the KP roles this year, we have a few options. Chuck Moore, and Bowden who can player larger then they are, and Polak who can be used loose, we look pretty good.
Add to this Rance, Silvestor and Gourdis developing at Coburg

Smallbacks 4/10.
We have some quality skilled defenders who are quick runners and good kicks, however amongst Raines, Newman, King and McMohan, none of them have shown real accountability. I feel Raines could be the man to become Mr Accountable, however at this stage this position looks poor as evident by players like Jones, Milne, Chapman, Didak, etc kicking bags against us.
At Coburg we have Casserly, and JON, who is more of a utilty/3rd tall. JON is a very long term prospect, while I don't think Cass will make it due to his constant injuries

Inside mids: 5/10.
We have one quality inside mid in Nathan Foley. Tuck, Coughlan and Johnson are the other 3 main ones, however Tuck is more of a grab and hack player, Johnson is inconsistant and Cogs is injured. Foley needs more protection, as do younger bodies coming through. We really need Tambling to step into an inside mid role, and hopefully with time Deledio can aswell.
At Coburg our main inside mids consist of Collins and White, Polo, Jackson and Edwards when they play at that level

Outside mids: 7.5/10
We have plenty of outside mids in the team including Deledio, Tambling, White, Cotchin, Hyde, Tivdendale (when playing) etc. and they are all good runners who can move the ball well. This area isn't really a problem
At Coburg there is another large group of developing mids including Conners, Polo, Jackson, Howatt, Casserly, etc, etc. Plenty of depth there

Tall fowards: 7/10 ( minus Richo 3/10)
We have the Richoman, who bassically is our one tall foward. While we have the likes of Riewoldt and Hughes progressing, we will be in alot of trouble when Richo hangs up the boots. Putt may be able to fill a role, but I can't see him becoming a fast moving/marking full foward, more of a utiliy. We need to draft the best fullfoward prospect this draft with our first pick!

Small fowards: 8/10
Our small fowards again aren't really a problem, we get good value out of the rotaions from Morton, Brown and stints from Edwards, Deledio and Tambling. At Coburg we also have Pettifer who is knocking on the door aswell as Collard developing

Rucks 4/10
Simmonds is a good around the ground ruckman however he doesn't win enough hitouts. This is the same with Pattison. I would like to see Cartlege get a go because I think he has been one of Coburgs best players this year. Graham won't make it in my opinon. I would like to be wrong, however he looks too Trent Knobel-esk to me (too one dimensional as a tap ruckman)

 

[Rancid_Beasties]

Ok so we obviously have some major structural areas of concern that need to be improved.

KP Backs: Thursfield looks set to take on the opposition mobile Key Position Forwards but we need someone to take on the big bodies KPFs. Rance is our big hope here and in the mean time Schulz is our man. McGuane and Gourdis are more suited to the mobile KPFs. Need some 195+ cm options.

No mention of Moore? I think hes shot into contention as another mobile tall defender. Personally i think this is our current weakness but our future strength. If Thursfield gains another 5-10kgs, Schulz gets some consistency, Moore keeps fit and improving and Rance develops into the player we all hope he will, then we have 4 tall options, 2 strong talls and 2 agile talls.

KP Forwards: Richardson can probably only manage another 2 seasons tops and Riewoldt will take CHF. Hughes at the moment is looking like he won't make it. Hopefully Polak makes FF his own and Putt perhaps may prove a difficult match up. Still need 195+ cm options.

I still think Schulz is an option. By the way nowadays the tall forward is somewhat less important. You can easily get away with 1 quality tall (riewoldt), 1 makeshift tall/resting ruckman (any one of pattison, deledio, schulz, hughes, putt)

Rucks: Simmonds is getting on and the rest are all developing. Needs immediate action, which is probably why we are likely to target Warnock.

I still hold hope for adam pattison and gus graham, but putt looks probably the most promising. A star ruckman is handy, but as both geelong and hawthorn have shown this year, you dont need a fit A class ruckman to be a winning team. You just need enough sharks and someone who can compete around the ground fairly well. Warnock may be unneccessary.

Defenders: Need more skill and accountability. Missing a tough small defender as King is too unaccountable and is probably more suited as a tagger. Need the class of Casserly to come into the side. Maybe Meyer can find a spot here.

You may have a point. But I dont think casserly or meyer are the answer. Both are injury prone. Both are very inconsistent. I would prefer a pure defensive backman or someone like a Beau Waters or a Milburn who can both attack and defend but more on the defensive side.

Forwards: Brown and Bowden are getting old and Pettifer is out of favour. Morton looks ok so far, but we are really missing a defensive crumbing forward here.

Deledio? What about Collard as a prospect? Edwards seems to go alright up forward. Heres my roughie though for our next class forward to compliment morton: collins. He has been kicking goals in the ressies and has enough evasiveness and pace from what i've seen to play the role quite well.

Inside Midfielders: Johnson is getting on and the only bonofide class inside midfielder we have at the moment is Foley. Tambling should be able to become the player we hoped in this regard and add in Cotchin pinch hits. One more class inside midfielder would be high on our list of priorities.

I think this is the biggest gap on our list currently, but our biggest area of potential. We only have probably 4 inside midfielders: Coughlan, Johnson, Tuck and Foley. 1 is stuffed with injury, the other 2 are slow and have poor disposal. Foley is the only one that would slip into any side going around. However, I have big hope for edwards to bulk up, has the attributes to be handy in the guts. And Matty White! Foley mach II maybe? A little less skill but just as quick. Once again we need to bulk up. And then Cotchin is another possible inside mid. But right now it amazes me how much contested footy we are winning despite this obvious weakness.

Outside midfielders: The one area I feel we are ok in. Deledio, Edwards, Connors and Collins look the goods.

I disagree, deledio is a utility, edwards is an inside mid/forward who only plays outside because hes too thin, and connors has class but isnt fit or fast enough. I think we still have major deficiencies here. We really seem to break down just outside the defensive 50, our wings are not doing their job. If our developing inside mids come on, I think we will need 1 more outside mid.

Taggers: Hyde and Jackson will probably be moved on and that leaves Tuck and Polo. I think this is where Tuck will provide the most use to our team and Polo needs to improve a lot before he gets another look.

I think jackson deserves another go. I think Raines should also be used as a tagger, ditto jake king.

 

[Delediodelight]

RICHMONDs Round 1 team this year:
B l King, Thursfield, Bowden
HB l Newman, Polak, Moore
C l Tambling, Tuck, Raines
HF l Pettifer, Richardson, McMahon
F l Deledio, Schulz, Brown
R l Simmonds, Johnson, Foley
Int from l Jackson, Hughes, Pattison, Howat
EM l Hyde, Morton, Edwards

Realistic Tigers 2010 team:

B | Daniel Connors - Will Thursfield - Jake King
HB | Alex Rance - Graham Polak - Jordan McMahon
C | Chris Newman - Mark Coughlan - Brett Deledio
HF | Mitch Morton - Cleve Hughes - Richard Tambling
F | Shane Edwards - Jay Schulz - Jack Riewoldt
R | Adam Pattison - Trent Cotchin - Nathan Foley
Int from| Dean Polo - Jarrad Oakley Nicholls - Kelvin Moore - Angus Graham - David Gourdis - Travis Casserly - Andrew Collins - Danny Meyer - Daniel Jackson - Matt White - Luke McGuane

point of interest:
-Get ride of McMahon

-At the moment when in doubt or just as a preference play the kids with the bodies who could handle AFL

Jack riewoldt rules future team:

B | Luke McGuane- Will Thursfield - Andrew Raines
HB | Dean Polo - Alex Rance - Daniel Connors
C | Daniel Jackson - Brett Deledio - Shane Edwards
HF | Mitch Morton - Cleve Hughes - Richard Tambling
F | Clayton Collard - Jack Riewoldt - Dean Putt
R | Angus Graham- Trent Cotchin - Nathan Foley
Int | David Gourdis - Adam Pattison- Mat White - Jay Schulz

Discuss

Points of interest:
-This is a long term team so i'm going to say swap Cartledge for JON or Graham. firstly you dont need 3 ruckmen, exception is if you have Graham and Pattison rotating in ruck/bench and we develop Putt as a power forward/back up back up. First change

-Also having three talls on the bench isn't a good idea. so Collins could come into the team or some future draft picks. so one of Schulz or Gourdis will make way for this player. And Swap Raines and Conners, Because I'd rather have conners silky skills delivering the ball into the forward 50

Delists: I want to give Meyer this year to recover and hopefully towards the end of the season show some form and give him next year to make seniors or be cut loose.

Delist Hyde and Tiva, they play well at Coburg and then are in seniors the next week, they should dominate Coburg but they struggle at AFL. And delist any of the juniors not putting in the hard yards. And get a decent list of rookies, Collard is ok investment, and Cartledge is insurance. The rookie list has had some great results for us in the past Foley, thursfield and king, but with current list I can only see Collard doing well or anything infact.

B: King 174 24 D Thursfield 191 21 D Silvester 191 22 D
Raines 182 22 D Gourdis 193 18 U McGuane 190 21 D
Moore 189 24 D

HB: J.Bowden 188 30 D Polak 194 23 D Newman 182 25 D
Oakley- Nicholls 188 20 W Rance 192 18 D McMahon 185 24 D
Schulz 193 22 U Casserley 186 20 D

C: Tivendale 185 28 W Coughlan 186 25 M Howat 182 22 W
Hyde 186 25 W Cotchin 184 17 M Connors 183 19 U
Polo 186 20 M Collins 184 19 M Edwards 180 19 M


HF: Morton 185 21 F Richardson 195 33 F White 179 21 D
Brown 182 30 F Hughes 193 21 F Meyer 184 21 F
Pettifer 182 26 F


F: Pattison 198 22 RF Riewoldt 192 19 F Collard 182 19 F
Putt 202 18 RF

R: Simmonds 196 29 RF Johnson 187 30 M Deledio 188 20 M
Cartledge 199 22 R Tuck 188 26 M Foley 177 22 M
Graham 200 20 R Jackson 187 21 M Tambling 179 21 M



Looking at both teams where do we draft/trade:

Trades: -Tuck he has some moderate trade value aswell we can get a younger player in his position could get 3rd round draft pick
Pettifer he is a bit of a inconsistent, plays well when the team is going well ect. Morton get fill the void or conners = Could get 2nd or 3rd round draft pick

Fremantle
Ruckmen Rob Warnock is out of contract at year end, just food for thought 206cm, but if it comes to him or Natanui its the latter one everytime.

Draft: (hopefully priority pick)-In and under midfielders, who can get the hard ball and feed it out
-Key Forward a 195cm + and the Frame to fillout to about 95kg For back up plan if Hughes, Riewoldt, Shultz, Putt or Gourdis Don't make it.
-Speedy high disposal rate GOOD DISPOSAL SKILLS
-Tall tap ruckmen, who has good skills around the ground.

Who's available:-Daniel Rich -Jack Ziebell -Micheal Hurley -Nick Natanui -Chris Yarran -Mitchell Banner -Hamish Hartlett -Matthew Broadbent – Nick Surban?

i posted most of this earlier this year, it consists some other posters thourghts. i will add to this throught the year and probably post it again just be fore draft time. hope this helps beaver?

 

[beaver fever]

No mention of Moore? I think hes shot into contention as another mobile tall defender. Personally i think this is our current weakness but our future strength. If Thursfield gains another 5-10kgs, Schulz gets some consistency, Moore keeps fit and improving and Rance develops into the player we all hope he will, then we have 4 tall options, 2 strong talls and 2 agile talls.

Well I think Moore is going to make it. He is tall, fast and is excellent defensively. I can understand why others may not be so quick to give him the tick. I'd prefer him to play on medium forwards and provide run out of defense.

I still think Schulz is an option. By the way nowadays the tall forward is somewhat less important. You can easily get away with 1 quality tall (riewoldt), 1 makeshift tall/resting ruckman (any one of pattison, deledio, schulz, hughes, putt).

Certainly, I listed Schulz as a utility because he can play both ends. I'm not sure I agree about the tall forward not being as important, its just that their speed is so much more important now.

I still hold hope for adam pattison and gus graham, but putt looks probably the most promising. A star ruckman is handy, but as both geelong and hawthorn have shown this year, you dont need a fit A class ruckman to be a winning team. You just need enough sharks and someone who can compete around the ground fairly well. Warnock may be unneccessary.

Perhaps but they will have to show much more by the end of the year. If they do not we can't bank on that improvement, especially if other more developed options are available.

You may have a point. But I dont think casserly or meyer are the answer. Both are injury prone. Both are very inconsistent. I would prefer a pure defensive backman or someone like a Beau Waters or a Milburn who can both attack and defend but more on the defensive side.

I don't think we should rely on them either but a fully fit Casserly would be what we are looking for. I think Moore can play the Milburn/Waters role and Casserly/Meyer or someone else needs to play the Enright/Gilbee/McLeod role.

Deledio? What about Collard as a prospect? Edwards seems to go alright up forward. Heres my roughie though for our next class forward to compliment morton: collins. He has been kicking goals in the ressies and has enough evasiveness and pace from what i've seen to play the role quite well.

I think Deledio is a midfielder first and foremost. Can provide pinch hits in the forward line but ultimately we need him elsewhere. Edwards can develop a bit in the forward line for sure, but is also ultimately a midfielder. Same with Collins.

I think this is the biggest gap on our list currently, but our biggest area of potential. We only have probably 4 inside midfielders: Coughlan, Johnson, Tuck and Foley. 1 is stuffed with injury, the other 2 are slow and have poor disposal. Foley is the only one that would slip into any side going around. However, I have big hope for edwards to bulk up, has the attributes to be handy in the guts. And Matty White! Foley mach II maybe? A little less skill but just as quick. Once again we need to bulk up. And then Cotchin is another possible inside mid. But right now it amazes me how much contested footy we are winning despite this obvious weakness.

White needs to show a lot more before he can be compared to Foley. Needs to put much more weight on but certainly looks promising.

I disagree, deledio is a utility, edwards is an inside mid/forward who only plays outside because hes too thin, and connors has class but isnt fit or fast enough. I think we still have major deficiencies here. We really seem to break down just outside the defensive 50, our wings are not doing their job. If our developing inside mids come on, I think we will need 1 more outside mid.

Yeah you make some good points. I would ultimately like to see McMahon cement a wing.

I think jackson deserves another go. I think Raines should also be used as a tagger, ditto jake king.

Jackson has the rest of the season to show his worth. Raines will be traded I think.