Richmond 2012

[TigerGlory]

B: Batchelor - Rance - Grimes
HB: Newman - Astbury - Houli
C: Deledio - Martin - Tuck
HF: Nahas - Vickery - Conca
F: Griffiths - Riewoldt - King
R: Maric - Cotchin - Foley
INT: Grigg - Morris - Edwards
SUB: Pick 15

 

[Shere Khan]

It will be a good sign for us if we start the season with Jack, Vicks and Griff in the starting line up. If those three can keep (find in Griff's case) form and remain fit, we'll play finals.

 

[Truetiger]

I rate Edwards and think he should take a wing and swap with Nahas every 10 mins on the HFF. Am I the only one who rates Edwards good enough in the starting 18? I think he has a great workrate and willingness to go after the footy, he's still in our best 22 at least imo....

I rate Edwards as well

 

[rammbo]

vickory to chf ,griff to chb, derrix to foward pocket altenating with maric as required is a set up that i like depending on form of coarse.

 

[Bird Man]

vickory to chf ,griff to chb, derrix to foward pocket altenating with maric as required is a set up that i like depending on form of coarse.

Griff has to dominate the VFL before he plays the AFL ... no charity spot giving this year please!

 

[rammbo]

Griff has to dominate the VFL before he plays the AFL ... no charity spot giving this year please!

yeah agree he like most should show something before getting a gig but if hes tearing it up preseason he can still b a chance round 1.

 

[Jimmy6019]

Griff has to dominate the VFL before he plays the AFL ... no charity spot giving this year please!

Exactly! I want this year to be all about winning. Best 22 availiable every week no exception. Gifted games under the guise of 'development' is BS!!!

 

[_RT_]

Exactly! I want this year to be all about winning. Best 22 availiable every week no exception. Gifted games under the guise of 'development' is BS!!!

yeah agree he like most should show something before getting a gig but if hes tearing it up preseason he can still b a chance round 1.

Griff has to dominate the VFL before he plays the AFL ... no charity spot giving this year please!

These types of comments are a laugh, as usually the posters who make them will be the first ones complaining about how Miller is getting games ahead of Griffiths, when Miller has a few quiet games.

 

[Jimmy6019]

These types of comments are a laugh, as usually the posters who make them will be the first ones complaining about how Miller is getting games ahead of Griffiths, when Miller has a few quiet games.

Yeah because gifting games worked so well last year didn't it??? So well Hardwick threw the idea out the window towards the end of the year after the season was blown!

Come on RT don't tell me you seriously want another 'development' year next year??? I honestly couldn't go through the frustration again!

 

[_RT_]

Yeah because gifting games worked so well last year didn't it??? So well Hardwick threw the idea out the window towards the end of they year after the season was blown!

Come on RT don't tell me you seriously want another 'development' year next year??? I honestly couldn't go through the frustration again!

Incorrect, because of players being injured we were forced to give it away. Had the kids been fit its quite possible that we would have continued on with the plan that we have been following for the last 2 years.

As for next year, I don't think it will be purely about development, but given the average age of our list you have to expect some development to occur. Lets not forget that KPPs like Grimes Astbury Post Rance Vickery & Griffiths all have less than 50 games experience and will still be learning. Add to that guys like Conca Batchelor Dea Martin also are yet to reach 50 games as well and you can see that there is going to be some ups and downs. Hopefully these aren't as drastic as they were this year.

 

[Jimmy6019]

Incorrect, because of players being injured we were forced to give it away. Had the kids been fit its quite possible that we would have continued on with the plan that we have been following for the last 2 years.

I think you just proved my point!! Skinny, undeveloped kids were thrown in the deep end before they were ready and sustained serious injuries as a result!

Let's just go about winning games from now on!! I think the fans deserve it!!

 

[_RT_]

I think you just proved my point!! Skinny, undeveloped kids were thrown in the deep end before they were ready and sustained serious injuries as a result!

Was hardly serious injuries, more niggles that the club managed to ensure that the kids will be as ready as possible to start pre season training, rather than having players coming back later and then being behind the 8 ball all 2012.

 

[tigerimij]

vickory to chf ,griff to chb, derrix to foward pocket altenating with maric as required is a set up that i like depending on form of coarse.

i expect we will all see a lot of improvement in derrix this year with another preseason behind him. show a bit in the early preseaon games this year after a limited preparation, another who could go forward and kick a .few as well

 

[tigerfansince86]

Development is always happening but from a team perspective, finals should be the aim next year and I think the players expect to get their themselves next year not just the fans. I think we are in for a good year for once and many more to follow

 

[santa claws]

i expect we will all see a lot of improvement in derrix this year with another preseason behind him. show a bit in the early preseaon games this year after a limited preparation, another who could go forward and kick a .few as well

a late 4th rnd pick no 63. a mature player at 23 taken from a minor league.
seems going by posts on other threads hes doomed to fail and the process is not worth going thru.
better to rookie a kid apparently because at least we cut the kid after 1 season even though it rarely ever happens.

 

[tigs2010]

So without knowing our final list this is my attempt:

B: Grimes Rance Dea
HB: Deledio Astbury Batchelor
C: Newman Martin Houli
HF: Nahas Vickery Conca
F: Derickx Riewoldt King
R: Maric Cotchin Foley
INT: Edwards Jackson Grigg
SUB: Helbig

 

[tigerfansince86]

If Deledio plays HB next year i will throw up, there is plenty of options to release lids into the midfield if Dimma keeps him HB flank i will honestly lose my shit. So basically its time for lids to move up the ground Dimma, make it happen and if he is a decent coach im sure it will happen sooner rather than later. If this doesn't happen then there's some serious questions that need to be answered. I honestly believe lids has the skill to be the best in the biz if played in the right position. IMO he's too much of a weapon to be wasted at HB its time for the change. I also believe we have the best youngest list in the league apart from the new expansions, the future is very bright if managed right.

Also for those of you who were ok with trading Foley, shame on you it was never a realistic option, never.

 

[Riewoldts wand]

B: Grimes Rance Morris
HB: Batchelor Post Newman
C: Conca Cotchin Houli
HF: Martin Astbury Nahas
F: King Riewoldt Vickery
R: Maric Deledio Foley
I: Tuck Pick 15(mid) Edwards
S: Connors(hopefully)

Newman i think should stay on a half back flank does a great job down there. CHB was a hard one not sure if Post will be ready, Astbury probably more likely but i really think Astbury could be a great forward has all the tools and looks very natural there. I hope Griffiths can take that CHF spot but he needs to show something first really didnt see him do many impressive things this year. What i want to see most is Deledio played on ball full-time, however i have this sinking feeling Dimma will play him HB again.

 

[nathanchelsea]

Ill give it a shot obviously it is hard to make a best 22 as form/fitness can determine which of the fringe players (last 6 to be selected) play and don't play but my shot is

B: Morris / Rance / Grimes

HB: Houli / Astbury / Newman

C: Deledio / Cotchin / Conca

HF: Edwards / Griffiths / Grigg

F: Vickery / Riewoldt / Nahas

R: Maric / Martin / Foley

Int: Batchelor / Connors / Jackson

Sub: First Round Pick

This is a team for first round hence King isn't is the squad he would most likely come in for the first round selection.

I think me may see connors play a more wing role allowing him to attack but take a little pressure off his defensive side as he doesnt also have to worry about a dangerous forward player. The rest of the team basically selects itself.

Players who I can see getting into the team at others expense would be

Helbig - i think he may be groomed to become a tagger and overtake Jackson so we have him and Grigg both with the ability to be lockdown players.

Dea - Could eaisly slot into the back 6 and apply pressure on Batchelor/Morris/Houli to play well

Derickx/Browne - these two will be the backup ruckman choice trying to take over from Maric

Post/Thursfield/McGuane - these 3 will be the men to come in if our key talls are not playing well enough

McDonald - keeping pressue on Edwards/King/Nahas for small foward spots

Tuck/White/Webberly - positions off midfield players such as Foley/Grigg and the like only will play ahead of them if they are injured

Miller - likely to be playing if Griffiths has a bad run of form OR if he gets injuered (fingers crossed)

 

[Dr Awkward]

I reckon we'll struggle again to be honest. I hope I'm wrong and I do sort of like our list but I still think we are a couple of years away, just hope none of our guns leave in the next 2 years.

I think the best part of our team is our young backline. We have a lot of options in terms of up and coming defensive players. I think we need another couple of midfield guns though and I'm still unsure about the ruck situation. Hopefully pick 15 is a gun mid.

If you look at the other 17 teams it's hard to see which teams we would be overtaking next year.

 

[tigs2010]

If Deledio plays HB next year i will throw up, there is plenty of options to release lids into the midfield if Dimma keeps him HB flank i will honestly lose my shit.

Get ready to be angry IMO. Dimma wants him playing there. He hasn't been forced to play him there this year but he has with stints in the middle. Maybe he will have more frequent stints in the guts this year but IMO will mainly be a HBF which in modern footy is probably one of the most important positions in the game.

Having said that if all the good mids are gone in the draft and we are forced to take a HBF that could change things.

Also Dr. Awkward IMO we can overtake anyone outside the top 5 if we play well. Having said that we won't be clearly better than any of the sides finishing 6-11 this year so its a bit hard to know.

 

[Madtiger2006]

B: Grimes Rance Morris
HB: Batchelor Post Newman
C: Conca Cotchin Houli
HF: Martin Astbury Nahas
F: King Riewoldt Vickery
R: Maric Deledio Foley
I: Tuck Pick 15(mid) Edwards
S: Connors(hopefully)

Newman i think should stay on a half back flank does a great job down there. CHB was a hard one not sure if Post will be ready, Astbury probably more likely but i really think Astbury could be a great forward has all the tools and looks very natural there. I hope Griffiths can take that CHF spot but he needs to show something first really didnt see him do many impressive things this year. What i want to see most is Deledio played on ball full-time, however i have this sinking feeling Dimma will play him HB again.

I like your team. Good to see Grigg not in there. He' a last resort player for me
I'd give Jacko the nod over Tuck for the 22 though

 

[santa claws]

i will play as im bored.
assuming both maric and morris were drafted because they are ready to go.

B/ Morris 23yo 185/84 0gms - rance 22yo 194/93 44gms - grimes 20yo 193/87 8gms

hb/ deledio 24yo 188/88 150gms - post 22yo 195/93 22gms - dea 20yo 186/84 7gms

c/ batchelor 20yo 188/78 16gms - martin 20yo 187/86 43gms - newman 29yo 183/82 192 gms

hf/ houli 23yo 180/82 48gms - astbury 21yo 195/92 22gms - conca 19yo 185/78 17gms

f/ vickery 22yo 200/95 45gms - riewoldt 23yo 195/93 90gms - king 28yo 178/80 75gms.

r/ maric 26yo 200/102 77gms - cotchin 22yo 185/83 64gms - foley 26yo 178/80 110gms

int/ tuck 30yo 189/92 140gms - helbig 20yo 185/77 10gms - grigg 24yo 190/84 64gms nahas 24yo 176/70 55gms

hmm i put batchelor on a wing because i think he has all the attributes to play as a mid. i placed dea down back in his place because i think hes a natural defender.
i have moved newman onto a wing as well as i think pace has become a big issue with him of course morris gets his spot supposedly a very accountable medium sized defender.

ive put conca and houli in the forward line as they are simply better options than others here. of course both will be part of midfield rotations. with houli in particular ive taken him out of the backline because hes taking the spot of morris and dea. houli should be capable of playing elsewhere atm im not sure dea and morris can, also defence accountability tackling etc come into it i dont consider houli a genuine defender.

astbury to chf i think hes a genuine hit up forward. post to chb because thats his position.

vickery in a fp because i really believe it is time for him to start assuming a reasonable amount of the ruck duties he is the most ideal player we have on the list to play 60% - 70% forward 30% 40% ruckman.

looking at games played, age, and body size across the board of the above 22 it will very much be another developing yr.
only 4 with 100 games and only another 6 with more than 50 games, with over half the team aged 22 or under. and still one or two shoddy kicks too many but at least its manageable.
hopefully there is improvement in most of them and most manage to put on more size and improve core strength.
talent wise it must be very close to the best side we can muster its flexible has plenty of height and the size is okay. its when we cop just a few injuries that it will all go to the dogs there is no depth there are few truly proven players and there is an awful lot of faith in players improving.

 

[RICHOLEGEND12]

I like your team. Good to see Grigg not in there. He' a last resort player for me
I'd give Jacko the nod over Tuck for the 22 though

Nah, at least tucky is good at some things such as clearances.
jacko aint great at anything at the moment

 

[tiggywigs]

i will play as im bored.
assuming both maric and morris were drafted because they are ready to go.

B/ Morris 23yo 185/84 0gms - rance 22yo 194/93 44gms - grimes 20yo 193/87 8gms

hb/ deledio 24yo 188/88 150gms - post 22yo 195/93 22gms - dea 20yo 186/84 7gms

c/ batchelor 20yo 188/78 16gms - martin 20yo 187/86 43gms - newman 29yo 183/82 192 gms

hf/ houli 23yo 180/82 48gms - astbury 21yo 195/92 22gms - conca 19yo 185/78 17gms

f/ vickery 22yo 200/95 45gms - riewoldt 23yo 195/93 90gms - king 28yo 178/80 75gms.

r/ maric 26yo 200/102 77gms - cotchin 22yo 185/83 64gms - foley 26yo 178/80 110gms

int/ tuck 30yo 189/92 140gms - helbig 20yo 185/77 10gms - grigg 24yo 190/84 64gms nahas 24yo 176/70 55gms

hmm i put batchelor on a wing because i think he has all the attributes to play as a mid. i placed dea down back in his place because i think hes a natural defender.
i have moved newman onto a wing as well as i think pace has become a big issue with him of course morris gets his spot supposedly a very accountable medium sized defender.

ive put conca and houli in the forward line as they are simply better options than others here. of course both will be part of midfield rotations. with houli in particular ive taken him out of the backline because hes taking the spot of morris and dea. houli should be capable of playing elsewhere atm im not sure dea and morris can, also defence accountability tackling etc come into it i dont consider houli a genuine defender.

astbury to chf i think hes a genuine hit up forward. post to chb because thats his position.

vickery in a fp because i really believe it is time for him to start assuming a reasonable amount of the ruck duties he is the most ideal player we have on the list to play 60% - 70% forward 30% 40% ruckman.

looking at games played, age, and body size across the board of the above 22 it will very much be another developing yr.
only 4 with 100 games and only another 6 with more than 50 games, with over half the team aged 22 or under. and still one or two shoddy kicks too many but at least its manageable.
hopefully there is improvement in most of them and most manage to put on more size and improve core strength.
talent wise it must be very close to the best side we can muster its flexible has plenty of height and the size is okay. its when we cop just a few injuries that it will all go to the dogs there is no depth there are few truly proven players and there is an awful lot of faith in players improving.

Like your 'ideal' team very much and agree with your comments about depth and experience. Just a couple of quibbles about positioning.

Pretty sure Newman will stay at HBF. Moving a player who is struggling with pace to the wing doesn't make sense IMO. It also deprives our rebound game of a very good long kick and much experience.

Nor am I sold on the idea of moving Batchelor to wing. He is a solid customer who adds some necessary grunt to our backline.

And Dea remains a project player at this stage (though promising).

My preference would be a HB line of Batchelor Post Newman.

That leaves it open to play Lids as an inside winger (my preference) or attacking HFF with Houli or Conca on the other wing.

I suspect that Nahas will start on the HFF and that his place on the bench would be taken by Jackson/Dea/White/Webberley or even possibly Connors.

FWIW, I think White is more highly rated by the coaching staff than most on BF would credit, especially for his extreme pace and versatility. I would not be surprised to see him get a lot of game time next year.

Given that Posty is also still a project player his place in the line-up may be taken by another tall (especially if Griffiths surprises with accelerated development and Astbury returns to form).

But as I said, overall I rate your team and, like you it seems, I'm keeping my fingers crossed that our lack of depth and experience doesn't expose us during what is a very long, hard season.