Riewoldt tore adductor 2 days before GF.

[betchsta]

He wasn't injured. Taylor had the best of him.

Riewoldt had the best of Taylor in round 14.

Taylor beat Riewoldt playing with an adductor tear and a screwed knee in the GF.

How is the 08 final relevant to this year's GF?

bbbbb but taylor got knocked out, you cant contribute while your unconscious....

 

[doggiesin08]

Meh, hands should've still been working.

If he was that bad and he was triple teamed there is no excuse for why Ross Lyon didn't have him playing as a decoy.

 

[betchsta]

Its a misquote
Not adductor tear
Tear Duct injury apparantly,didnt hit till late sat arvo

That or there was to much pollen in the air.......

 

[Big Nasty]

Just a reminder:

Luke Hodge dominated the 2008 Grand Final with a very suspect set of ribs that were repeatedly "tested" by Geelong's forwards.


St.Kilda just weren't good enough.

He never Broke his ribs. It was just a spin by the media during Grand Final week, Hawthorn were happy to play along with it. Hodge admitted later on an interview the blood was from a split lip.

And to the OP... You are coming across as a tad obsessed with St. Nick's performance, or non performance in the Grand Final.

 

[Big Carl]

Wasn't it revealed that Harry Taylor had onlt bruised hs hand?

 

[StonesThrow]

I heard Ablett had the sniffles.

 

[mysainters]

If it is true it only makes him seem more selfish. Not only did he twice spoil his teammates trying to take mark of the year, not only did he misread the conditions terribly by trying to take chest marks in the wet, but apparently he put himself forward as fit to play with a torn adductor. If he knew he had a fairly serious injury and still put himself forward as fit to play, then he did the wrong thing by his teammates. You don't take injured players into Grand Finals.

Aren't you the same poster, who belittled your own teams peformance by starting a thread about how Ross Lyon's game plan gifted you the win?

 

[STC]

More utter rubbish from you - aren't you the genius who thought St Kilda's game plan lost them the GF, when it was actually their game plan that kept them in it?

Aren't you the same poster, who belittled your own teams peformance by starting a thread about how Ross Lyon's game plan gifted you the win?

I made an observation that St Kilda's lockdown style may have allowed our injured and unfit players to keep up with the game for the 4 quarters. I gave it an interesting thread title to attract readers. Nothing "kept you in the game," you were in front most of the day.

If you think an injured player has the last say in whether they play or not, you're frankly wrong. Doesn't happen.

You're kidding right?

Nick: "I'm injured Ross, I don't think I'm up to playing this week."
Ross: "I don't care, you're playing."

Is that how you think it goes? If a player declares himself unfit to play, he doesn't play. Coaches don't play injured players unless they say they are right to go.

A player can choose to rule themselves out completely, a la Stokes, or they can leave the decision to their club, having indicated that they wish to play. The final decision remains with the club.

Riewoldt felt that he could still contribute something despite the injury, and he was correct.

He contributed nothing. He kicked one goal from what I believe was his only mark inside 50. He had no impact on the game. And the final decision does not lie with the coach or club. Either a player is committed to playing or he isn't. You don't say "I think I'm right, but I'm not sure." Any half decent coach will demand 100% commitment, anything less is not worth playing. Riewoldt obviously committed himself to being fit enough to play, and he clearly wasn't. Either you're fit or you're not.

As for all our forwards trying hard, the reality is that none of them tried as hard as Riewoldt. I suggest you take another look at his performance. Taylor may have beaten him, but Riewoldt was tireless and his commitment was absolute.

Riewoldt should have realised early on it wasn't his day and acted as a decoy. St Kilda became predictable in passing to Riewoldt, but he still kept demanding the ball, even though he couldn't take it. He looked like he was trying his guts out all day, but he wanted to win the game off his own boot, because he and his teammates were all under the impression that when challenged, that was what they needed. After all, he'd done the same thing when they'd been challenged during the first two finals.

I like how you use two - two, out of a whole game of football - incidents, when Riewoldt flew for a mark in a pack situation to illustrate how his game was selfish. Neither action was selfish, and neither was his game.

Two key incidents where his teammates were in position to take uncontested marks, and he soared over them. He didn't look at the situation, he just tried to take the big grab. He could have shepherded for his teammates and they would have been able to load up. In the first quarter, it spoilt a chance at goal. In the last, it directly led to a Geelong shot at goal that levelled the scores, and gave Geelong the belief that it was well and truly back in the contest.

The actions were either stupid or selfish. An injured player in wet conditions shouldn't expect to be able to take mark of the year, and a player should never soar when it isn't necessary to take a grab.

Like I said, Riewoldt was selfish in demanding the ball all day when he was unable to take the grabs. He was beaten comfortably by a guy with a broken hand, and if he wasn't fit then he shouldn't have played. Pre-existing injuries are no excuse, if you elect to play then you must play well. Riewoldt thought he was invincible after his performances against Collingwood and the Dogs, yet against a far less decorated defender he played probably his worst game since round 1.

Did he lose you the GF? Not singlehandedly, but he contributed.

 

[bigcatman]

Is adductor the medical term for heartstring?

tear duct?

 

[Sunday Red]

LOL. I just got home completely smashed, read the article, the first page of this thread and the last.

All I can see is "wah wah wah wah bitch bitch moan" between St Kilda and Geelong supporters.

Who gives a **** guys? It's nearly November. Get over it. It's a nothing story by a gutter 'journalist'. Surely you morons have something better to do on your Saturday evening than debate potential injuries on an internet message board??

 

[Cap]

LOL. I just got home completely smashed, read the article, the first page of this thread and the last.

All I can see is "wah wah wah wah bitch bitch moan" between St Kilda and Geelong supporters.

Who gives a **** guys? It's nearly November. Get over it. It's a nothing story by a gutter 'journalist'. Surely you morons have something better to do on your Saturday evening than debate potential injuries on an internet message board??

yet the first thing you do after coming home drunk is post on an internet message board

 

[Vegas.]

And it's only 12:30... SOFT!

 

[Ruse]

it would be poor form for supporters to use Nick's injury as an excuse to losing the grand final. Nigel Lappin played in a grand final with broken ribs and a collapsed lung and still absolutely dominated. He literally couldn't breathe an hour before the game and just went about his business. All the players knew about it too because blabbermouth Aker decided to squeal it to everyone so he was bashed around. Great players rise above their injury and situation whilst other players fall over and cry and look to the umpire when other players touch them.

 

[AG]

And it's only 12:30... SOFT!

Post of the thread.

 

[Sunday Red]

yet the first thing you do after coming home drunk is post on an internet message board

I had a glance before bed after midnight. It's amusing to see the morons banging on about this from 10pm.

 

[Sunday Red]

And it's only 12:30... SOFT!

Maybe where you are...

 

[Jonno_]

An adductor tear means two weeks out, clown. It's not a niggle.

TheFireman?

 

[watermelonslice]

Wasn't it revealed that Harry Taylor had onlt bruised hs hand?

Yea, scans revealed he had only bruised his hand. Chappy didn't tear a hamstring either, it was just a strain.

 

[Byron_Clanger]

oh ffs saints fans stop having a cry, yous lost the grand final, get over it, Kerr played in the 06 grand final with a broken foot but he still played a great game, poor babies, have more tissues

 

[AG]

oh ffs saints fans stop having a cry, yous lost the grand final, get over it, Kerr played in the 06 grand final with a broken foot but he still played a great game, poor babies, have more tissues

Did he? I thought it was 2005 when he injured his foot in the 1st quarter.

 

[GFCMAN]

Oh yes, Taylor's broken hand. That Geelong made sure everybody was informed about immediately after the GF, to heighten his "accomplishment".

Just quietly - I think a bung knee and a torn adductor hampers a key forward a little more than a crack in their hand hinders a defender.

This is a good game,can we play too? News flash! Geelongs Steve Johnson played in the Grand Final 20 days after hip surgery. Steve did not touch the ball in the first half and was clearly underdone. Had he been fit Geelong would probably have won more convincingly.
Do you see how pathetic this bleating makes you Saints supporters look?
What all of this indicates to me is that Geelong are not dependant on any one player,whereas with your side it's no Riewoldt no StKilda.

 

[GFCMAN]

I had a glance before bed after midnight. It's amusing to see the morons banging on about this from 10pm.

Now we have another moron banging on about the morons!

 

[Mitchell Madness]

http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/sport/afl/story/0,26633,26254924-5016215,00.html



To all those - and there were many - who put shit on Riewoldt after that game, shame on you.

Hodge played with a fractured rib and won a Norm Smith Medal

 

[kosifantutti]

Let me start by saying the Saints lost the Grand Final because they couldn't kick straight and couldn't finish Geelong off when they got in front. Geelong was the better team over four quarters and deserved to win.

But this is about Nick Riewoldt who has been copping heaps for playing what I thought was an OK game for a big forward in horrible conditions. Obviously the expectations on him are such that OK is not good enough. But it now seems that there are extenuating circumstances. I have no idea what an adductor muscle does or where it is but I assume he was in some discomfort. Still he managed 13 kicks, 5 marks, 1 goal, 6 tackles.

For those who say he shouldn't have played, who could have replaced him and done better? James Gwilt, Matt Maguire, Tom Lynch?

 

[Biggy_Boy]

Riewoldt obviously wasn't too hampered by the injury in terms of running as evidenced by the fact that Geelong had to rotate three defenders on him as they had to rest frequently to keep up with Roo.

His flaw on the day, attributed to the wet weather was his inability to mark the ball properly, but an adductor injury shouldn't affect his hands.

Regardless, it's a moot point really because the Saints shouldn't have needed Riewoldt. Their small forwards got enough of it to win them the game but their crap kicking lost it. You can't rely on one man to kick all of your goals for you.