Sports RIP Muhammad Ali - The Greatest

[little graham]

If i ever got to talk to Ali, i would of asked him about these three songs.



Song about white trash being screwed over like black trash was.



Thats another song, touching on the same subjects close to Ali's heart, cept its white trash.




Then there is this, Australian white trash tret like american black trash. They only care if you have money, if you have no money you get tret like trash.

Ali took his big fights to poor countries to bring in tourist dollars to offset the exploitation he felt the white world tret the black world.

 

[exe ex machina]

Ali's family/ancestry was born into slavery. Ali's early years close to the era that was happening. There is no doubt that as much as the White people were nasty racist scum, that the Black people were full of similar hate and racism towards them. Great distrust between the two races. So, Ali's schtick was kinda justified back then because the whole "slavery" and White Devil thing was right around his own personal life, but also the community of Black people right around America. Not just other sports persons, but in everyday life like public transport, diners, schools, etc.

 

[little graham]

It's so sad that white trash hating on black trash only served the interest of the republican trash causing all the shit. Only ensured the status quo would not change. History shows that when encountered with an aggressor, all oppressed groups need to unify. A classic example is the ANC during aprtied.

 

[Bomberboyokay]

white man's disease got alot of them.

Africa looks like it does today because such diseases already existed there. Indigenous Americans and Australians not so lucky.

 

[little graham]

 

[Procrastinator35]

http://www.thenation.com/article/muhammad-ali-and-the-black-panther-party/

 

[exe ex machina]

Raiders defensive coordinator Ken Norton Jr. recalls his father’s fights and friendship with Muhammad Ali

Posted on June 7, 2016 by Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer


Ken Norton and Muhammad Ali fought three times, with Ali winning twice. All were extremely close (AP photo)

ALAMEDA _ When Muhammad Ali passed away Friday, the memories came to Raiders defensive coordinator Ken Norton Jr. in a rush.

His first thoughts were of being a 6-year-old kid, sitting in a room at the LaJolla Village Inn with his grandmother. His father, Ken Norton Sr., was fighting Ali at the nearby San Diego Sports Arena on March 31, 1973.

“I remember it like it was yesterday,” Norton said Tuesday in an interview with the Bay Area News Group. “My father didn’t allow me to go to the fights, so we had to sit around and wait for the news to get back to the hotel. We finally got the news that he had won, that he had broke (Ali’s) jaw . . . it was one of the most exciting times of my life.”

It turned out to be a life-changing experience for father and son. Ali and Norton would fight twice more, with each one as close as the split-decision win awarded to Norton in the first bout.

Ali, a 5-to-1 favorite, entered the ring in their first bout wearing a robe furnished by Elvis Presley, hoping to get in position for a rematch with Joe Frazier to capture the heavyweight title.

Ken Norton Sr. was 29-1, but had no opponents of note and an eighth round knockout loss to Jose Luis Garcia, a fight in which he hit the canvas twice.

“He was kind of a tune-up for Ali in between fights, and it was considered one of the biggest mismatches,” Norton said. “It was early in his career, and he was really fortunate Ali agreed to fight him. And at that point, my father was in the best shape of his life.”

Ken Sr. was a single father at the time, working at a Ford plant during the day, training at night. He would occasionally leave Ken Jr. with neighbors to make sure his son would get a good meal.

“There were so many things we didn’t have,” Ken Jr. said. “We were in a one-bedroom apartment. I was always begging him for a bike. We were never able to get one. I was begging him, `Dad, can we have a home?’ After the fight, he became a contender.”

Ken Jr. got his bike, Ken Sr. bought a home in Carson, and the nobody had become a contender who also happened to develop a friendship with the most famous person on the planet.

“He and my father became real good friends, competitors that came to respect one another,” Norton said. “We were very thankful for the start that he gave us.”

Ken Jr. met Ali on a handful of occasions, finding him to be “very kind, very approachable and playful. He used to do magic tricks, showing us how he could levitate off the ground. Always smiling, asking how we were doing. Even now my sister is best friends with one of his daughters. Our families were intertwined like that.”

When Ken Sr. was in a serious auto accident in 1986 and wasn’t expected to survive, Ali spent two days visiting with him at the hospital. By the time Ken Sr. died after a series of strokes in 2013, Ali, stricken with Parkinson’s Syndrome, couldn’t speak out but reached out to Ken Jr. and family through his wife Lonnie.

Ken Jr. understands his father not wanting to see him fight, but as he became older and an athlete, they watched tapes of the Ali bouts together.

“I kind of talked them through with him. I just wanted to see what my father had,” Norton said. “He was athletic, he was long, he was quick, he had intensity, he was smart. I see a lot of carryover between boxing and football, so I understand what he went through.”

Norton takes pride in the fact that his father fought 39 rounds with Ali that were nearly dead even. Many ringside observers felt that Ken Sr. had won their third bout, which was given to Ali by an extremely close unanimous decision.

“(My father) arguably won all three of them,” Norton said. “As great as Ali was, my father was the one guy who was able to stand toe to toe with him. It’s something I’m very proud of.”

If styles make fights, Norton’s style was always troublesome for Ali.

“He felt he had a really good job. Ali really used his jab, and my father was one of the few people who fought Ali who was out-jabbing him, really sticking his arm out there,” Norton said. “When you listened to Ali talk, he thought Norton fought awkward. He felt off-balance. Ali wasn’t quite sure how to ht him because he covered up well.”

Norton had also sparred with Frazier, and borrowed some tactics from the first person to beat Ali.

Boxing is very much a part of Norton’s philosophy when it comes to motivating his defense.

Every Raiders defensive scheme is named for a heavyweight champion.

“We have Tyson, we have Holyfield, we have Ali, we have Foreman, we have Frazier,” Norton said.

He’s even incorporated a “Fury,” named after Tyson Fury, currently a heavyweight champ from the United Kingdom.

Last season, his first as a coordinator, Norton set up the Raiders season as a 16-round bout.

“I would show them a championship round (from a boxing match) and use each game as a round,” Norton said. “We’d talk about what it took to get through that round, the grit, the smarts, the toughness, the defense, the aggression. All the things it takes to get through a championship round.”

The Norton-Ali trilogy

Results of the three bouts between Ken Norton and Muhammad Ali:

March 31, 1973, Sports Arena, San Diego: Norton by split decision, 12 rounds

Sept. 10, 1973, The Forum, Inglewood: Ali by split decision, 12 rounds

Sept. 28, 1976, Yankee Stadium, New York City: Ali by unanimous decision, 15 rounds

 

[Freofalcon]

I've watched those three fights many times and still believe Norton won all three.

 

[exe ex machina]

I've watched those three fights many times and still believe Norton won all three.

Yeah, there's unfortunately too much BS in boxing of the past, politics. Fix results.

 

[little graham]

Yeah, there's unfortunately too much BS in boxing of the past, politics. Fix results.

When there is kings.

 

[Run n Spread]

It's so sad that white trash hating on black trash only served the interest of the republican trash causing all the shit. Only ensured the status quo would not change. History shows that when encountered with an aggressor, all oppressed groups need to unify. A classic example is the ANC during aprtied.

True. In that sense MLK jr and Mandella were giants. Not only dd they put their lives on the line for their "tribe" they recognised a greater truth and put it out there for the common truth and common good. Just a shame they lived in an era of back water Southerners and some racist aggressive backwater shit heads.

 

[little graham]

True. In that sense MLK jr and Mandella were giants. Not only dd they put their lives on the line for their "tribe" they recognised a greater truth and put it out there for the common truth and common good. Just a shame they lived in an era of back water Southerners and some racist aggressive backwater shit heads.

Add Ghandi and to a lesser extent, Mabo to those two giants.

 

[Run n Spread]

Add Ghandi and to a lesser extent, Mabo to those two giants.

True. And if you talk an Australian context and as much as the men are total f wits probably have to add Keating and Rudd to the mix. Deluded and egotistical sure. But had the correct vision where the country needed to go. But due to their own ego, circumstance and incompetence couldn't get the bigger job done.

 

[exe ex machina]

Anthony Mundine and Jarryd Hayne surely in that pantheon.

 

[Run n Spread]

Anthony Mundine and Jarryd Hayne surely in that pantheon.

Uuuuhmmmmmmmmmmmm. No.

 

[exe ex machina]

Uuuuhmmmmmmmmmmmm. No.

You have no sense of history. Cultural icons those two are.

 

[Run n Spread]

You have no sense of history. Cultural icons those two are.

You get caught up in hype. A foot note in MSN's bloopers when they eventually die out. Mundine? Seriously?

 

[exe ex machina]

You get caught up in hype. A foot note in MSN's bloopers when they eventually die out. Mundine? Seriously?

Im genuinely shocked by your disapprobation

 

[Procrastinator35]

You get caught up in hype. A foot note in MSN's bloopers when they eventually die out. Mundine? Seriously?

GG's Tongue was firmly in cheek, I'd of thought.

True. In that sense MLK jr and Mandella were giants. Not only dd they put their lives on the line for their "tribe" they recognised a greater truth and put it out there for the common truth and common good. Just a shame they lived in an era of back water Southerners and some racist aggressive backwater shit heads.

It's that very social paradigm they grew-up in, which marks them as shape-shifters....They were both a pair of fearless shit-stirrers too, which helps.

 

[Run n Spread]

GG's Tongue was firmly in cheek, I'd of thought.



It's that very social paradigm they grew-up in, which marks them as shape-shifters....They were both a pair of fearless shit-stirrers too, which helps.

True. Sometimes you need that.

 

[Gough]

Google Cheeky Watson if you want an unsung sporting icon.

 

[imadodgyumpire]

Watching all these Ali doco, including the one on abc2 ATM. Ali is indeed the greatest.


The Greatest Troll.

 

[Illinois Nazi]

Always comes across as a bit of a ******** to me.

 

[Plugger35]

Always comes across as a bit of a ******** to me.

I've watched some of his interviews lately and he was labelled an incredible showman, he seemed more like an ADD kid to me.

He was constantly talking about himself and seeking attention, I don't know how his manager or hangers on coped with it.

I would've punched him out if I had to spend that much time with him, I could've been the world heavyweight champion.

He had a certain charm though with the trash talk he spouted out, it was like poetry, very clever guy before he copped too many blows to the head.

 

[Procrastinator35]

I would've punched him out if I had to spend that much time with him, I could've been the world heavyweight champion.

Yeah.....Ali was deluded.