Rookie Draft

[RooDog]

for one we cant rookie Zac Millar as he is bottom age....

 

[- PC -]

There is a kid in Qld called Gavin Grose I wouldnt mind looking at. Thats if hsi profile stands up

Some suggestions from Matt Burgan on the AFL site:


Gavin Grose Rebounding full-back with plenty of dash and excellent left foot kick. Queensland U18 representative in 2006 and impressive for U18 Allies.

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Pats self on back

 

[- PC -]

Some suggestions from Matt Burgan on the AFL site:


Leigh Adams Prolific ball winner who captained Vic Metro in NAB AFL U18 Championships to title, winning All-Australian honours (averaging 24 disposals per match). Quick, tough, a fine leader and clever around goals. NAB MVP Player for Vic Metro at NAB AFL U18 championships. From Woori-Yallock F.C.


Daniel Dzufer Left footed midfielder/forward who is good overhead and smart around goal. Won McLean medal (Division two - U16s) in 2004 and All-Australian U18 honours this year. AIS/AFL Academy graduate.

Tom Hurley Small midfielder who is a genuine ball winner. Captain of South Australian U18 team at NAB AFL U18 championships. Played 16 league games for Sturt in the SANFL in 2006.

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2 AA selections, 2 captains of their State and still they missed out. Makes me wonder what they lacked? Height?

 

[GoSarge]

I'll be surprised if Hurley or Millar get rookied ....the former gets plenty of the ball but very like Skipworth is not a long kick, not quick and his disposal is hit and miss...not a good recipe. Millar looks to have the skills but having watched his U18 games I'd suggest he's either not terribly fit OR he's slow and probably aerobically defficient (guesswork).

No use rookie listing guys if they don't have the capacity to make it.

Well if we thought they had the capacity to make it, wouldn't we (or someone else) have picked them up in the national draft ?

That's what the rookie draft is all about. Guys with certain deficiencies who could still make it with some hard work.

Who would you rookie just out of interest ?

Tom Hurley Small midfielder who is a genuine ball winner. Captain of South Australian U18 team at NAB AFL U18 championships. Played 16 league games for Sturt in the SANFL in 2006

Must be doing something ok, if he's played 16 games with Sturt and is an AA.

 

[Gets!]

I would go for Leigh Adams over Hurley...I was impressed by what I saw in Adams at the championships.

Hmmm I think im not gonna theorise at all and just wait for December 12.

 

[Stiffy_18]

I wouldn't be surprised if we pick up Hughes. He is a nice size (around 184 cm IIRC), has great pace and carries the ball well. He is around 20 and playing consistently good footy at Norwood. He could also step up to play AFL if we really need him to.

 

[James23]

how the heck did leigh adams miss out on getting drafted

 

[GoSarge]

I wouldn't be surprised if we pick up Hughes. He is a nice size (around 184 cm IIRC), has great pace and carries the ball well. He is around 20 and playing consistently good footy at Norwood. He could also step up to play AFL if we really need him to.

We have 4 picks, so there is a good possibility we could pick up someone a little older as NC has shown he is prepared to select older type guys (Porplyzia, Gill and Campbell). Adams and Hurley have good u/18 form so are likely to go, and Zac Hier is another we could go for who looked ok in the prelim against North Adelaide.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Well if we thought they had the capacity to make it, wouldn't we (or someone else) have picked them up in the national draft ?

That's what the rookie draft is all about. Guys with certain deficiencies who could still make it with some hard work.

Who would you rookie just out of interest ?

Must be doing something ok, if he's played 16 games with Sturt and is an AA.

Correct but the question is how much upside to their development is there .....Small players in the AFL have to be extra good .....Hurley is a ball magnet but doesn't hurt you enough and he has to kick longer than 25 mtrs which is his predominant kick.

Honestly I don't see enough SANFL to answer who we should rookie

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I wouldn't be surprised if we pick up Hughes. He is a nice size (around 184 cm IIRC), has great pace and carries the ball well. He is around 20 and playing consistently good footy at Norwood. He could also step up to play AFL if we really need him to.

Would be amazed if we did ....so outside a player he's almost out of the ground.

Would not and will not make it!

 

[GoSarge]

Correct but the question is how much upside to their development is there .....Small players in the AFL have to be extra good .....Hurley is a ball magnet but doesn't hurt you enough and he has to kick longer than 25 mtrs which is his predominant kick.

Good point. Not sure how much upside there is for anyone that wasn't picked up. Fact is, someone like Ryan Nye barely played seniors, whereas at least Hurley and Hier made it to the senior ranks, and have stayed there, so they must be, at worst, 'ok'.

Honestly I don't see enough SANFL to answer who we should rookie

Me either, although I did watch a lot of the finals, and I liked the look of Zac Hier. Reality is, in 12 months most rookies will be cut anyway, so its not life and death.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Me either, although I did watch a lot of the finals, and I liked the look of Zac Hier. Reality is, in 12 months most rookies will be cut anyway, so its not life and death.

Normally agree but in this draft iam sure there are players who would have been drafted in previous years who missed this year.

Sam Jacobs (who I doubt we would rookie) ...is impressive and in any other draft would have gone.

This year is an opportunity to do what we did in 2001 .....

 

[macca23]

Normally agree but in this draft iam sure there are players who would have been drafted in previous years who missed this year.

Sam Jacobs (who I doubt we would rookie) ...is impressive and in any other draft would have gone.

This year is an opportunity to do what we did in 2001 .....

I hate the summer WW - I keep agreeing with you!!

There will be quite a few players rookied this year who will go on to be good AFL players.

In a normal draft, Jacobs would have gone mid-draft at worst, as an example.

I'm sure that Fantasia and crew really have their thinking caps on. I'd be disappointed if we didn't get at least 1 permanent AFL regular out of this rookie draft.

 

[RooDog]

2 AA selections, 2 captains of their State and still they missed out. Makes me wonder what they lacked? Height?

dont know enough about adams to commen on him...

Hurley is an average paced midfielder, has very veery average skills and has some shocking turn overs. his upside is he finds it a bit... but unless he works on his disposal by hand and foot he wont get anywhere

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I hate the summer WW - I keep agreeing with you!!

There will be quite a few players rookied this year who will go on to be good AFL players.

In a normal draft, Jacobs would have gone mid-draft at worst, as an example.

I'm sure that Fantasia and crew really have their thinking caps on. I'd be disappointed if we didn't get at least 1 permanent AFL regular out of this rookie draft.

Yeah it's a good time of the year as long as there's some "reasonable" topics to discuss.

BTW veil young Nick Gill who after only a few days has been condemned with him receiving the now infamous #1 guernsey ......sorry mate ...I'm confident you didn't ask for it.

That raises another question ....other clubs allow players to request a guernsey number ....I suspect the AFC allocates numbers ...does anyone know??

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I hate the summer WW - I keep agreeing with you!!

There will be quite a few players rookied this year who will go on to be good AFL players.

In a normal draft, Jacobs would have gone mid-draft at worst, as an example.

I'm sure that Fantasia and crew really have their thinking caps on. I'd be disappointed if we didn't get at least 1 permanent AFL regular out of this rookie draft.

The Crows and Port definately have an advantage re Rookies in respect to inside SANFL knowledge ....question is are there any unpolished gems in the SANFL (probably reserves)

 

[Crow-mo]

The Crows and Port definately have an advantage re Rookies in respect to inside SANFL knowledge ....question is are there any unpolished gems in the SANFL (probably reserves)

No. that is just more victorian propaganda/paranoia.

there isn't any issue with the advantages from the main draft, and in turn there shouldn't be any with the rookie draft.

the only advantage we have is that while others whinge, we get to work. If you can scout for the national draft, you can scout for the rookie - unless you don't want to.

You could argue that we spend much more money on our scouting/recruiting networks - which is probably true - but some of these victorian clubs are now making money, so they have no excuse either.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

No. that is just more victorian propaganda/paranoia.

there isn't any issue with the advantages from the main draft, and in turn there shouldn't be any with the rookie draft.

the only advantage we have is that while others whinge, we get to work. If you can scout for the national draft, you can scout for the rookie - unless you don't want to.

You could argue that we spend much more money on our scouting/recruiting networks - which is probably true - but some of these victorian clubs are now making money, so they have no excuse either.

Don't knock us Victorians

The emphasis is on "some" victorian clubs .....what about St Kilda who because of their wonderful management of their salary cap won't be taking all of the potential PS picks (1 maybe 2 short).

I'm sure if you compare dollars spent by the AFC rather than Nth Melb, Bulldogs, and the traditional fringe clubs, surely you'd agree that we see more in our back yard than they do and the quality of resources to scour the backyard (pay peanuts you get ...) must give us an advantage.

And yes you could argue that the Vic clubs should have an advantage in their back yard but the VFL is structured differently to the SANFL being an extension of the reserves comp and the standard of players and competition is well down on the SANFL.

 

[The Crows Truth]

No. that is just more victorian propaganda/paranoia.

there isn't any issue with the advantages from the main draft, and in turn there shouldn't be any with the rookie draft.

the only advantage we have is that while others whinge, we get to work. If you can scout for the national draft, you can scout for the rookie - unless you don't want to.

erm, empirical evidence states west coast and adelaide have performed considerably better in the rookie draft than probably any other club. rutten, cox, mattner, nicowski, bock, etc etc

coincidence? dont be silly

 

[Crow-mo]

Don't knock us Victorians

The emphasis is on "some" victorian clubs .....what about St Kilda who because of their wonderful management of their salary cap won't be taking all of the potential PS picks (1 maybe 2 short).

I'm sure if you compare dollars spent by the AFC rather than Nth Melb, Bulldogs, and the traditional fringe clubs, surely you'd agree that we see more in our back yard than they do and the quality of resources to scour the backyard (pay peanuts you get ...) must give us an advantage.

And yes you could argue that the Vic clubs should have an advantage in their back yard but the VFL is structured differently to the SANFL being an extension of the reserves comp and the standard of players and competition is well down on the SANFL.

Ok, I see where you're coming from - and in many ways you're right. But my point is we have massive financial advantages in our scouting/recruiting networks, but explain to me how this can be isolated down the rookie draft? I've heard people parrot this idea, but it doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Look at someone like Ben Hudson, he didn't come from the SANFL - but he sure did come from left field. country QLD or NSW (?) whatever, we scouted it well because we do. this idea that the SANFL is a particularly fertile ground is a nonsense - we scout everywhere better than most.

Same with west coast, they spend fortunes on this stuff too - they do it ALL better. When someone starts to say oh, it's the sanfl - they have an advantage, it's because they're too lazy to realise to think about what the real issue is. More money means we do it all better.

But the league has a real agenda not to be talking about that side of things, because it undermines their equalisation policies.

 

[Tas]

I'm sure if you compare dollars spent by the AFC rather than Nth Melb, Bulldogs, and the traditional fringe clubs, surely you'd agree that we see more in our back yard than they do and the quality of resources to scour the backyard (pay peanuts you get ...) must give us an advantage.

We only have 1 full time recruiter compared to 16 for Eagles, so there is not the same kind of opportunity to look at all the young players but in this day and age it is very hard for exceptional talent to remain hidden, anyone that is any good either goes to the draft camps or plays in the U18 competition which is pretty easy for even just one person to follow.

I believe we are spending more in this area next year but we generally do okay with later picks and get a lot of "handy" type players via the rookie draft, we elevated three of our four this year. I am not really sure how much value for money Eagles are getting from all those people, other than their one period of very good recruiting they have picked up their fair share of average young players.

 

[Crow-mo]

We only have 1 full time recruiter compared to 16 for Eagles, so there is not the same kind of opportunity to look at all the young players but in this day and age it is very hard for exceptional talent to remain hidden, anyone that is any good either goes to the draft camps or plays in the U18 competition which is pretty easy for even just one person to follow.

exactly right. there are the obvious guys - everyone knows about them.

for the non-obvious people, it's not the clubs proximity to the players but the 16/1 scouting ratios

 

[GoSarge]

exactly right. there are the obvious guys - everyone knows about them.

for the non-obvious people, it's not the clubs proximity to the players but the 16/1 scouting ratios

Unless of course you have all 16 recruiters in your home state

 

[Tas]

exactly right. there are the obvious guys - everyone knows about them.

for the non-obvious people, it's not the clubs proximity to the players but the 16/1 scouting ratios

The problem is Eagles do not really invest much in non-obvious players.

In 2003 they didn't use a pick outside round 2.
In 2004 their last pick was a local 4th rounder they de-listed this year.
In 2005 they didn't use a pick outside round 2.
This draft was the first one they actually went deep, all the players picked were either locals or played in one of the major comps.

Not really sure they are getting value for money from 16 people and they haven't looked at a non-obvious player for a long time.

 

[Crow-mo]

The problem is Eagles do not really invest much in non-obvious players.

In 2003 they didn't use a pick outside round 2.
In 2004 their last pick was a local 4th rounder they de-listed this year.
In 2005 they didn't use a pick outside round 2.
This draft was the first one they actually went deep, all the players picked were either locals or played in one of the major comps.

Not really sure they are getting value for money from 16 people and they haven't looked at a non-obvious player for a long time.

I don't know I agree at all. they have gotten fantastic value for money on their picks, and they have gotten good service from their rookie list too.
plus the odd curve ball such as brad smith.

For a team that got a priority pick 5 years ago, to being premiers strikes me that they're recruiting team is doing something right!