Roosy to return to coaching in 2014

[Loyal Lion]

During "Open Mike" tonight, Mike Sheehan said that he is pretty sure that Roosy will return to coaching in 2014. Has Sheehan got some inside knowledge there ? You would imagine that he wouldn't come back as an assistant ?

I wonder which club may have a potential vacancy in 2014 ? Not many IMO.

Could the prodigal son return home ?

Anyway that's a long way down the track & I don't want to court any controversy/muck raking with this.

Just repeating "Open Mike" for what it's worth...

 

[PattyKwasagun]

Yeah it was always going to be an issue of when his son graduated from high school.

 

[BlairForceOne]

Unless something goes dramatically wrong next year I don't see Roos coming to Brisbane as a senior coach. Will be interesting to see where he goes, maybe replacing someone like neeld or McCartney?

 

[Stocka]

It'd have to be a club with money, I reckon. I don't know if I'd regard Roos necessarily as being money-hungry, but he would have been on a decent wicket with Sydney and would certainly be on one now in the media.

However, I wouldn't discount the possibility of him being keen to coach the Lions (even though we're not flush with funds), if the opportunity presented itself though, purely because he is embraced by the club and its supporters as a recent-day legend, through the Fitzroy connection.

With that said, Voss has the team currently tracking in the right direction, with some seemingly important and genuine improvements in development and visible in performances on the park and in the results. At this point in time, I think next year would have to be a major disappointment (winning less than 7 games), or the club would have to be setting its sights pretty high (eg: "win a final" or make the finals or else"), if Voss and the Lions parted ways at the end of 2013.

So, although Sheedy is looking set for a few more years in the GWS job, this might be Roos's best bet, given that they'd probably be able to pay him well and he'd probably have the job for a reasonable run of time. He might have to "share" the role with Sheedy for a while, with Sheedy being the "Director of Coaching" and Roos being "Senior Coach", though.

 

[Loyal Lion]

Unless something goes dramatically wrong next year I don't see Roos coming to Brisbane as a senior coach. Will be interesting to see where he goes, maybe replacing someone like neeld or McCartney?

Can't see Melbourne or the Dogs changing coaches so soon as 2014. Realistically not much is expected from either club in 2013. Maybe Richmond could be a possibility. If they don't make the finals next year, Hardwicke could be in the hot seat.

 

[Loyal Lion]

It'd have to be a club with money, I reckon. I don't know if I'd regard Roos necessarily as being money-hungry, but he would have been on a decent wicket with Sydney and would certainly be on one now in the media.

However, I wouldn't discount the possibility of him being keen to coach the Lions (even though we're not flush with funds), if the opportunity presented itself though, purely because he is embraced by the club and its supporters as a recent-day legend, through the Fitzroy connection.

With that said, Voss has the team currently tracking in the right direction, with some seemingly important and genuine improvements in development and visible in performances on the park and in the results. At this point in time, I think next year would have to be a major disappointment (winning less than 7 games), or the club would have to be setting its sights pretty high (eg: "win a final" or make the finals or else"), if Voss and the Lions parted ways at the end of 2013.

So, although Sheedy is looking set for a few more years in the GWS job, this might be Roos's best bet, given that they'd probably be able to pay him well and he'd probably have the job for a reasonable run of time.

Didn't even give GWS a thought to be honest. That does make sense though, seeing that Roos lives up there & money wouldn't be an issue for them.

The fairytale (for some old Roys supporters) of Roosy coaching the Lions one day, is fairly remote you'd think.

 

[jjami15]

Just glad to get him off t.v.! His coaching ability and commenting ability are poles apart.

 

[Sir G]

He might want to coach the Lions reckon he would love to regain his Lions roots.

 

[POBT]

It'd have to be a club with money, I reckon. I don't know if I'd regard Roos necessarily as being money-hungry, but he would have been on a decent wicket with Sydney and would certainly be on one now in the media.

If a club needed a senior coach and didn't go with Roos because of finances, then their supporters and sponsors would hit the roof. When someone with Roos record is available, clubs simply have to find the money, I reckon. There's too much riding on the senior coach appointment to take a cheap option. Roos is better credentialled than any other coach not currently in the system.

However, I wouldn't discount the possibility of him being keen to coach the Lions (even though we're not flush with funds), if the opportunity presented itself though, purely because he is embraced by the club and its supporters as a recent-day legend, through the Fitzroy connection.

To support my previous point, if Voss was somehow out of the coaching equation for 2014, I'd throw whatever it took to get Roos up here, irrespective of our financial situation. Roos would be perfect for us in that he understands working in a non-football State, he has worked with less than perfect off field resources, he has proven he doesn't need to tank to get success and is a very good development coach. Finally, he'd be a marvellously unifying figure for us.

With that said, Voss has the team currently tracking in the right direction, with some seemingly important and genuine improvements in development and visible in performances on the park and in the results. At this point in time, I think next year would have to be a major disappointment (winning less than 7 games), or the club would have to be setting its sights pretty high (eg: "win a final" or make the finals or else"), if Voss and the Lions parted ways at the end of 2013.

Yep, it would have to be a bad year for Voss to lose his job. I'm not anticipating that.

Having said that, having Roos potentially available does increase the pressure somewhat on any number of coaches, including Voss. Just a few thoughts:

- What if Clarkson fails to win a flag in the next 2 years?
- What if North have a shocker of a season next year?
- What if Melbourne finish bottom 2 next year?
- Ditto Bulldogs?
- What if we go backwards in 2013?
- Ditto Richmond?
- What if GC finish below GWS?

I reckon the following coaches are safe, irrespective of how 2013 pans out - Hird, Malthouse, Buckley, Longmire, Sanderson, CScott, Lyon, the new Port coach, Worsfold, Clarkson if he wins this year's flag and maybe Scott Watters. But if Roos declares his intent to coach again in 2014, then every other coach not listed would be looking over his shoulder, I reckon.

So, although Sheedy is looking set for a few more years in the GWS job, this might be Roos's best bet, given that they'd probably be able to pay him well and he'd probably have the job for a reasonable run of time. He might have to "share" the role with Sheedy for a while, with Sheedy being the "Director of Coaching" and Roos being "Senior Coach", though.

I dunno if Roos would go to GWS. I think we've seen how he is a passionate Swans man and has seen GWS as cannibalising the Swans' support. Unless it is a case of protesting too much (ie he's just playing the rivalry card), I'm not sure he'd go down the GWS path.

 

[Fatcat08]

Obviously depending on results next year the two with the most cause for concern would have to be Hardwick and McKenna. I think that if the tigers don't make the 8 next year or GC go backwards or even have a lacklustre year then these two would be mighty nervous if Roos threw his hat back in the ring for a coaching gig. The 3 new coaches are probably safe for another two seasons I would imagine and Buckley and Hird would have to have catastrophic seasons to be under the pump. Brad Scott should be fine based on getting North in the 8 a season or two earlier than I would have predicted.

Agree with POBT about Roos and GWS, just don't see it happening.

Clarkson's and interesting one, would be hard to sack a coach after two high finals appearances in a row, but if they don't win either of them then a bit of talk could creep in. Still see it as unlikely.

 

[Stocka]

If a club needed a senior coach and didn't go with Roos because of finances, then their supporters and sponsors would hit the roof. When someone with Roos record is available, clubs simply have to find the money, I reckon. There's too much riding on the senior coach appointment to take a cheap option. Roos is better credentialled than any other coach not currently in the system.

To support my previous point, if Voss was somehow out of the coaching equation for 2014, I'd throw whatever it took to get Roos up here, irrespective of our financial situation. Roos would be perfect for us in that he understands working in a non-football State, he has worked with less than perfect off field resources, he has proven he doesn't need to tank to get success and is a very good development coach. Finally, he'd be a marvellously unifying figure for us.

That is all true, but I don't know if Roos would just throw his hat into the ring without having a good idea as to what fish might be biting first. I think he'd want to know that there was a team that he'd want to coach, who was looking for a coach, before openly putting it out there. In fact, I think he'd probably want a L.Matthews/Lions, M.Malthouse/Collingwood/Carlton sort of deal, whereby he is virtually head-hunted, as opposed to merely having his hat in the ring with various other prospects.

I reckon any club vying for his services would still have to put up a very good offer. I don't think it would be a case of him taking whatever comes up. If only one, or a couple of poorer Victorian clubs, who are in a bit of a desperate situation were in the market for a coach, I reckon Roos would probably hold back on putting his hand up.

If it came down to it, we're probably in a better position than the smaller Victorian clubs, in that Roos would no doubt be able to make a fair bit of money from endorsements and sponsorships, coaching in a two-club town. I reckon the Fitzroy connection would carry some weight for Roos as well, given that he seems to enjoy "being part of the club" at club functions (such as the ToC and HoF).

Yep, it would have to be a bad year for Voss to lose his job. I'm not anticipating that.

I think things are looking good, but I also think that 2013 could potentially be Voss's toughest year, in terms of expectations.

It would be interesting to know whether or not one of the performance measures of Voss's contract extension was to have the club playing finals by 2013. A lot of people on here seem to talk as if finals and winning more games in 2013 are a given (and that we'll be challenging for Top 4 and a flag in the years to follow). I am not so convinced - you can look at teams like Carlton, Richmond and North Melbourne, who have managed to build a base of highly-talented players quite successfully, but who are little more than also-rans who battle in the finals, IF they make it (apologies to Carlton's side of 2011, which performed better than the "battler" tag, though). We're still well behind these teams and a long way off being anywhere near the Top 6-7 or so.

Whilst I think it's possible, I would be surprised to a degree (pleasantly, though, I might add) if we made finals in 2013. I think a lot will have to go right for us on our own end, and we'll also be requiring the decline and/or stagnation of the middle-of-the-table teams around us, as well as not losing games to the improving teams who are well below us this year. I think our team/list has more of a "slow burn" improvement look to it, rather than one that is going to take huge leaps and bounds in the space of one or two seasons. Personally, I'm fine with that, as long as the improvement is still observable on the field each week (in some cases measured by stats) and measurable in terms of the number of games won (and also a breakdown of who we win and lose against).

However, I also think it could be possible for us to improve, but not win more games than in 2012, and possibly even win less, depending on the improvement of other teams. In the eyes of some, this may be seen as going backwards or failing. Mind you, I still think that it would take a fairly poor year for the Lions to make the cutthroat move of snaring Roos, if he were available, on similar grounds to the way that M.Harvey and B.Ratten were both moved on from their senior coaching roles.
For mine, a non-pass mark would be if the Lions won only 7 games or less (as this would seem to be too big a differential on 2012's number of wins to be excusable).

Having said that, having Roos potentially available does increase the pressure somewhat on any number of coaches, including Voss. Just a few thoughts:

- What if Clarkson fails to win a flag in the next 2 years?
- What if North have a shocker of a season next year?
- What if Melbourne finish bottom 2 next year?
- Ditto Bulldogs?
- What if we go backwards in 2013?
- Ditto Richmond?
- What if GC finish below GWS?

I reckon the following coaches are safe, irrespective of how 2013 pans out - Hird, Malthouse, Buckley, Longmire, Sanderson, CScott, Lyon, the new Port coach, Worsfold, Clarkson if he wins this year's flag and maybe Scott Watters. But if Roos declares his intent to coach again in 2014, then every other coach not listed would be looking over his shoulder, I reckon.

If Hawthorn don't win the flag this year, then I would imagine that Clarkson would be under a fair bit of scrutiny. It's almost an unlosable flag for them, in my opinion, given the talent of their best 22 and the depth of their list. Also, the nature of Hawthorn's losses over the last two years has often been quite scrutiny-worthy, so I would imagine that any loss from here on in would see Clarkson and the Hawks put well under the microscope. Once again, it'd be similar to Ratten and Harvey copping the blame for their teams' underperformance.

I'm not so sure that Melbourne or WB would be in the market for Roos. I couldn't see him being interested in coaching them, nor for either club to have the carrots to persuade him to think otherwise. I'd probably say the same of North, but at least they currently have a better team for a coach to work with.

Richmond are an interesting case. Hardwick has definitely made significant improvements and their recruiting has been solid over the last couple of years, but with the talent they've got, they probably should make the finals next season. There were about 4 or 5 costly losses for Richmond in the second half of the year, in which they could/should have won, that held them out of the finals, and you'd have to think that a repeat next year would be met more harshly than it has been this season. You'd also think that Richmond might have enough money and clout to attract a big-name, unlike some of the other clubs previously mentioned.

For the likes of Hardwick, B.Scott and Clarkson, I imagine though that they'd be well-regarded enough to secure jobs elsewhere, even if it were in the role of assistants.

One would think that Worsfold would be safe in his role, but if WCE fall back a bit in 2013, could he pull the pin prior to another complete decline, with a view towards coaching somewhere else in a few years time?

I dunno if Roos would go to GWS. I think we've seen how he is a passionate Swans man and has seen GWS as cannibalising the Swans' support. Unless it is a case of protesting too much (ie he's just playing the rivalry card), I'm not sure he'd go down the GWS path.

As much as Roos loves Sydney, I reckon he'd put his career ahead of allegiances (which essentially he did when he left Fitzroy).

A job at GWS for Roos could potentially be gold. No doubt they'd pay a premium for him and he'd probably have better job security than just about any coach in the history of the game. Given that Roos is perceived as being very good at developing players (including young and recycled) and facilitating the building of team purpose and empowerment, you'd have to think that GWS would be a fair working ground for him as well.

I reckon the only downside for Roos, would be having to work with Sheedy still as the figurehead initially.

GC, on similar positive grounds could also be another possibility.

 

[Bucking Beads]

I think if he comes back Gold Coast could be the spot for him.

 

[Loyal Lion]

I think if he comes back Gold Coast could be the spot for him.

It wouldn't be the first time that he was Gold Coast bound. Back in 86, Fitzroy was destined to go there until L.Wiegard's casting vote overturned the move. All player's including Roosy were keen to move there apparently.

Roosy has that much white & red coarsing through his veins, I don't think he'd coach against the Swans.

I sent him an SMS today about the future Lions job...still waiting for a response...

 

[Stocka]

Are you supposed to have his number LL?

 

[Lions_Fan]

I guess it just depends on how we go next season. 2013 will be Voss' 5th year in charge (I can't believe it, seems like just yesterday he took over, but maybe that's just me) so he should be getting the hang of it by now. I think, if we aren't contending for finals next year, Vossys seat will be heating up

 

[Loyal Lion]

Are you supposed to have his number LL?

Good question mate. It was actually Roosy that gave me his no a few years back. Lets just say that I have a certain "Fitzroy Project" going on. Sort of like a "Wall of Fame". I've had over 60 ex Fitzroy players visit me since 2001. The great Bernie Quinlan has come over a couple of times. One night he just popped in for dinner. I was like a kid at Xmas, waiting for Santa to come down the chimney, when I saw him walking down the driveway!

Other visitors have included Bill Stephen, Owen Abrahams, Warwick Irwin, John Murphy, Serafini bros. It took me 5 years to get Kevin Murray to come over. When he did, he stayed for about 5 hours. It was a great day reminiscing with Muzza! Probably most unusual visitor was a guy who played a couple of games for Fitzroy back in the 40's. He had a famous saying, "Keep the bastards honest". It was none other Don Chipp. He came over just before he passed away a few years back.

Certainly didn't mean to name drop. I don't really discuss my little project. But you asked a good question Stocka.

So Roosy is definitely on my list. My Wall team is crying out for a great Centre Half Back...

 

[Stocka]

Good question mate. It was actually Roosy that gave me his no a few years back. Lets just say that I have a certain "Fitzroy Project" going on. Sort of like a "Wall of Fame". I've had over 60 ex Fitzroy players visit me since 2001. The great Bernie Quinlan has come over a couple of times. One night he just popped in for dinner. I was like a kid at Xmas, waiting for Santa to come down the chimney, when I saw him walking down the driveway!

Other visitors have included Bill Stephen, Owen Abrahams, Warwick Irwin, John Murphy, Serafini bros. It took me 5 years to get Kevin Murray to come over. When he did, he stayed for about 5 hours. It was a great day reminiscing with Muzza! Probably most unusual visitor was a guy who played a couple of games for Fitzroy back in the 40's. He had a famous saying, "Keep the bastards honest". It was none other Don Chipp. He came over just before he passed away a few years back.

Sounds awesome!

Certainly didn't mean to name drop. I don't really discuss my little project. But you asked a good question Stocka.

Nah, not a problem at all. In fact, it would not have been a problem if you even were not supposed to have P.Roos's number, as far as I'm concerned. Nothing wrong at all with a bit of Fitzroy stalking, in my opinion!