Opinion Round 20 changes vs. GWS

[Man of Men]

'Clanger' as you call him

The nickname is used by many of the players when refering to clancee, and I have become used to using it myself since attending many training sessions. Whilst I disagree with willo's opinion his use of the name clanger probably shouldnt be used as something to use against him

 

[Kunna17]

i can see deboer being pushed out but it would be by a key-forward with mayne to play his role but to a slightly less defensive extent (Next year clearly or the next)
Having said that my changes would be -
Crowley - Crozier, DeBoer into the middle
C.Pearce - Ibbo If Still out then Chrichton (Ross seams to love him)
Mundy - Michie
Sheridan - Pav

 

[dominguez]

Was Harvey responsible for all the recruiting decisions made? Harvey whilst with us was reasonably OK, but started to go a little strange (possibly due to the teams injuries and subsequent pressure)
Whilst at the time we were moderately happy with Harvey, it would be like I'm currently driving a Holden but have the chance to drive a Mercedes what should I do?

Apart from Mark Johnson and Kepler Bradley I'd say Harvey was responsible for bugger all of our recruiting decisions.

 

[JunglistPosse]

Apart from Mark Johnson and Kepler Bradley I'd say Harvey was responsible for bugger all of our recruiting decisions.

Maybe Solly as well?

 

[E Shed]

Apart from Mark Johnson and Kepler Bradley I'd say Harvey was responsible for bugger all of our recruiting decisions.

Yep. agree completely. Lloyd and Bond put the list together.

 

[clogged]

Apart from Mark Johnson and Kepler Bradley I'd say Harvey was responsible for bugger all of our recruiting decisions.

What about Josh Head and Jack Anthony?

 

[theGav56]

Maybe Solly as well?

Certainly the extension to his contract before he hung up the boots on us.

 

[theGav56]

Yep. agree completely. Lloyd and Bond put the list together.

And after Harvey's 1st season he was forced to play the kids.

Look, Harvey made a contribution to our club, and definitely brought some good things. Things that are still in play to some extent. That is how he should be remembered and it is poor form by Sheedy to try and sully the present with the past when it has clearly been a good decision by the club.

 

[couldhavebeen]

Guys can we put a few things into perspective here . RTB in the interviews he has given has already stated that there will be a FEW changes to our line up for the GWS game .
Pav is a given the other player he is looking to rest is Mundy .

From the report in the West about our reserves performances in the WAFL were very good in that most of them had good games and back up what most of the posters on this board have been saying about our depth of talent.

Special mentions going to Michie for not only the number possessions and 7 clearances but 2 goals as well

Snoz had a big impact for Claremont when he kept his opponent to no touches , what more does the guy have to do to get the nod from us that he is a valuable back up for the team .

Faulk's also acknowledged for his regular good game despite the pressure on him in a losing team .

Crichton stats down but played a good game when he went to WP 's Shane Nelson.

Crozier got huge wrap for his game , 5 I50's and 22 disposals , with a lot of class

Mellington had a solid game and kicked 3 goals ,very busy around the ground

With the end of the home and away season drawing to a close it's great to see so many of the understudies putting their hands up and yelling pick me I'm ready to go if you need me and if any of you guys trip up and Ill take your spot in a minute .

This beats the s**t out of past years when we were battling to find 22 fit players just to take the field.

 

[couldhavebeen]

Sheedy is just doing what Sheedy has always done and trying to get a press headline and some interest in the game .
I can't believe all the talk he has generated with his one liner , obviously he has kicked a winner once again and opened an old wound to see what reaction he could get .

Now for those that have forgotten Harvey was on the selection panel for the drafts and as a Club we selected and played youth . We also got a few players with experience to help the young players .
So a couple didn't work out , this happens to every AFL team .

We experimented recruiting some mature age recruits and most but not ALL have given us some great moments of football . So stop beating up on Harvey because some OLD CODGER decided to test our memory . There are still a lot of the Fremantle supporters that have a soft spot for Harves and I would hate it if we acted disrespectfully towards a past coach that helped the club develop into the team we have now.
Im not saying he got us into the position we are in now ,but he didn't leave us with a Connelly type team either.

 

[hoss]

The nickname is used by many of the players when refering to clancee, and I have become used to using it myself since attending many training sessions. Whilst I disagree with willo's opinion his use of the name clanger probably shouldnt be used as something to use against him

Yep, that's a fair call. I think Clancee was very average before getting injured this week, and will be an omission this week, but he's had a reasonable season.

 

[chinggis77]

Lyon mentioned earlier in the year guys like Michie will get their chance later in the year.

I reckon he will rest a few over the next two games, then bring back the guns for the last two games.

Pav, Michie, Crozier, Taberner to come in.

 

[couldhavebeen]

Yep, that's a fair call. I think Clancee was very average before getting injured this week, and will be an omission this week, but he's had a reasonable season.

The word according to RTB is that he was very happy with Clancee's performance as he carried out the instructions given to the letter . He also praised De bore as well along the same lines as Clancee .
So there you have it they did the team thing and sacrificed their own game for the TEAM .

 

[dominguez]

Now for those that have forgotten Harvey was on the selection panel for the drafts and as a Club we selected and played youth . We also got a few players with experience to help the young players .
So a couple didn't work out , this happens to every AFL team .

We experimented recruiting some mature age recruits and most but not ALL have given us some great moments of football . So stop beating up on Harvey because some OLD CODGER decided to test our memory . There are still a lot of the Fremantle supporters that have a soft spot for Harves and I would hate it if we acted disrespectfully towards a past coach that helped the club develop into the team we have now.
Im not saying he got us into the position we are in now ,but he didn't leave us with a Connelly type team either.

No one is having a crack at Harv's, it simply isn't the senior coaches job to recruit players from outside the system. To be the face of the club and trying to get the best from the 40+ players already on the list while also studying the opposition on a weekly basis and as a whole is a massive job. That's why other people are in charge of list management (in this case Lloyd and Bond).

Mark Harvey wasn't watching snippets of VFL and WAFL on youtube and thought that Mzungu bloke goes alright, or I can see that Barlow fella slotting in nicely to our midfield.

 

[kp junior]

No one is having a crack at Harv's, it simply isn't the senior coaches job to recruit players from outside the system. To be the face of the club and trying to get the best from the 40+ players already on the list while also studying the opposition on a weekly basis and as a whole is a massive job. That's why other people are in charge of list management (in this case Lloyd and Bond).

Mark Harvey wasn't watching snippets of VFL and WAFL on youtube and thought that Mzungu bloke goes alright, or I can see that Barlow fella slotting in nicely to our midfield.

As if Harves could spell Mzungu

 

[teamex]

The word according to RTB is that he was very happy with Clancee's performance as he carried out the instructions given to the letter . He also praised De bore as well along the same lines as Clancee .
So there you have it they did the team thing and sacrificed their own game for the TEAM .

De boer has been serviceable all season as has Fancy Clancee. I reiterate, both are solidly 22. Apparently Ross agrees

Im fairly sure de boer was doing the job on judd.. who is a reasonable player if memory serves? how were his stats on the weekend? Tore us apart i assume?

 

[chinggis77]

Yep, that's a fair call. I think Clancee was very average before getting injured this week, and will be an omission this week, but he's had a reasonable season.

If his role was to stay with and lock down one of the three amigo´s then he won handsomely and did his job. Its not all about stats particularly with Ross.

Clancee is still top 3 in the AFL for disposal efficiency for those with more than 300 possessions. Those laser kicks out of defence have been fantastic.

 

[couldhavebeen]

No one is having a crack at Harv's, it simply isn't the senior coaches job to recruit players from outside the system. To be the face of the club and trying to get the best from the 40+ players already on the list while also studying the opposition on a weekly basis and as a whole is a massive job. That's why other people are in charge of list management (in this case Lloyd and Bond).

Mark Harvey wasn't watching snippets of VFL and WAFL on youtube and thought that Mzungu bloke goes alright, or I can see that Barlow fella slotting in nicely to our midfield.

You aren't seriously saying Harvey or any other senior coach doesn't have a say in who the club recruits or delists are you because that would be very stupid since he has to coach them and get the best out of them and put a team onto the paddock to win games .

The senior coach along with his assistants would be telling the recruiters what sort of players the need from season to season and I agree with you he wouldn't be viewing of YOU TUBE or travelling the country looking as aspiring young footballers that why you hire recruiters to do the talent scouting for you.
BUT he would certainly be looking at what the scouts found and interviewing them in the off season before the draft and then letting the RECUITERS and the club know who he thought would fit into his game plan and with the team structures he wanted for the next season.

To back my argument up I would refer to the Hird story in the Sunday times and the roll Sheedy played in the recruitment of Hird as a kid and how he insisted that Essendon keep him on their list as he developed into the footballer that we all know.
There are many similar stories about other coaches and player selection and non selections as the case may be including Neashams huge mistake in passing up the chance draft Mcloud as an 18 year old .

 

[se17enteen]

Mark Harvey toughen us up but Ross Lyon got us respected.

 

[Sman-21]

Anyone who thinks the coach doesnt have any say on players drafted has no freaking idea.
Even Lyon has come out and said he puts in his 2cents worth as at the end of the day if the team doesnt do well its his head on the chopping block.

Harvey deserves just as much credit for players drafted as Bond and co.

He helped us get to where we are today.
Sure i dont think he could of taken us this far and got us performing this well.
However he had a big influence on the types of attitudes and personalities that got added to the squad, it was then up to the recruiters to find the best options that met his requirements.

 

[couldhavebeen]

I'll repeat a story I heard from a West Perth member who told me that Freo was looking at Steven Hill and Harvey asked Bill Monahan to play him as a mid . Bill did and on that performance we recruited Hill instead of Rich .

 

[StingBitten]

Any word on ibbo and c. Pearce injury?

 

[clogged]

Everyone must be very confident about GWS if the topic of conversation is Mark Harvey. May I suggest the following changes:

In: Mark Harvey
Out: Ross Lyon

Just for a week. Ross has been working very hard and could do with a rest.

 

[ozzie69]

You have to give credit to Mark Harvey - he was in the hot seat at the commencement of our rebuilding program. We ended up with a number of young players to develop, but with a combination of young players plus aging players, we couldn't keep enough players fit and available. Whenever a club is struggling, the call goes out to replace the coach. The fact is RTB was able to walk into a quality developing list, add some experience and strategic nous, and produce a competitive outfit. RTB is to a large extent reaping the benefit of Mark Harvey's toil.

 

[valkorum]

You have to give credit to Mark Harvey - he was in the hot seat at the commencement of our rebuilding program. We ended up with a number of young players to develop, but with a combination of young players plus aging players, we couldn't keep enough players fit and available. Whenever a club is struggling, the call goes out to replace the coach. The fact is RTB was able to walk into a quality developing list, add some experience and strategic nous, and produce a competitive outfit. RTB is to a large extent reaping the benefit of Mark Harvey's toil.

I don't get why we are still talking about Mark Harvey but lets be very clear about 1 thing. MARK HARVEY DID NOT PICK THE PLAYERS. The list management team headed by Lloyd and Co did that. Of course Harvey had some input in to the players selected but the list management team were responsible.

Can we please move on. We have a fantastic tactical coach and we are about to play finals.