Round 3: Changes Vs St Kilda

[Rion]

If Duman and Logue are in doesn't it release Conca/Cerra to the bench? The midfield is already full, and they'll join the midfield rotation, only this time it won't be from defence.

Can't be full can it? Geelong can fit something like 10 midfielders into their side and give em all a decent enough amount of midfield time. We've got what? Fyfe, Tucker, Mundy and Brayshaw? Probably could get away with just bringing the 1 in for a Banfield/Schultz and going in with the 6 defenders though.

I'm just big on Conca playing as an inside mid. I don't mind trying Tucker in there but Mundy/youngsters aren't going to get the job done against many teams. If Fyfe goes down we could legitimately finish last with the weight he currently shoulders in the midfield.

 

[Dockersman]

I think Logue needs to play ASAP. He’s into his third year, on a new contract, but wouldn’t have collected any match payments for quite awhile. He’s strapped for cash and it’s becoming an issue. Here he is eating a raw squid for $50 - the kind intended for fish bait. Better than a mullie I suppose.

I heard he rates himself a bit and played stuff all football since he was drafted. I would make him play a minimum of a month in the WAFL to earn his spot and get a good body of work and form into his game.

 

[Dirty_banchez]

I heard he rates himself a bit

I've met him. He's not as bad as other players I've met.

 

[stax on the mull]

Just had a look at the game last year against St Kilda in Round 8 and there's a difference of 11 players between that Fremantle side that won, and the side that lost to Gold Coast on Sunday.

Didn't play against St Kilda last season:
Walters, B.Hill, Wilson, Hogan, Lobb, Darcy, Conca, Colyer, Hughes, Shultz, Taberner

Played last game vs St Kilda:
Sandilands, Neale, Blakely, Ballantyne, Nyhuis, Duman, Crowden, Johnson, D Pearce, Matera, Cox

Played Rd 2 2019 vs GC & Round 8 2018 vs St K:
Banfield, Brayshaw, Cerra, Fyfe, Hamling, Langdon, McCarthy, Mundy, A.Pearce, Ryan, Tucker

 

[kingswood71]

I would make him play a minimum of a month in the WAFL to earn his spot and get a good body of work and form into his game.

Totally agree....coming off missing an entire season, he needs to earn a chance.
Unlike some, I really havent seen all that much in his 13 games that makes me think he is better than say Duman or Nyhuis....I must be missing something....

 

[Scham]

Just had a look at the game last year against St Kilda in Round 8 and there's a difference of 11 players between that Fremantle side that won, and the side that lost to Gold Coast on Sunday.

Didn't play against St Kilda last season:
Walters, B.Hill, Wilson, Hogan, Lobb, Darcy, Conca, Colyer, Hughes, Shultz, Taberner

Played last game vs St Kilda:
Sandilands, Neale, Blakely, Ballantyne, Nyhuis, Duman, Crowden, Johnson, D Pearce, Matera, Cox

Played Rd 2 2019 vs GC & Round 8 2018 vs St K:
Banfield, Brayshaw, Cerra, Fyfe, Hamling, Langdon, McCarthy, Mundy, A.Pearce, Ryan, Tucker

Are you up to doing the same for the Saints? It’d be interesting to get a comparison.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Happy to be proven wrong on Schultz but I havent seen any stand out attributes to suggest he'll be a long term player. As a small you need to have elite goal sense, speed and/or pressure and at best id say hes average to good in those areas.

These are also things you cant improve on that much. As an mature recruit you dont get much time to improve either

 

[Joao]

Happy to be proven wrong on Schultz but I havent seen any stand out attributes to suggest he'll be a long term player. As a small you need to have elite goal sense, speed and/or pressure and at best id say hes average to good in those areas.

These are also things you cant improve on that much. As an mature recruit you dont get much time to improve either

Schultz is a good mark. Not sure if it is enough but a definite point of difference to our other smalls.

 

[Scham]

Schultz is a good mark. Not sure if it is enough but a definite point of difference to our other smalls.

He'll need to be if we keep bombing on his head like we did on Sunday.

 

[cardamon]

Duman, Switkowski
For
Schultz, Darcy(rest)

Depends if Darcy trains or not, but Lobb can ruck for one game against what I believe is an inexperienced ruck unit. Tabs/AP can ruck for a few minutes each. Darcy may just take a few weeks to build into the season so a week off may give him the energy to jet into the season from here.

Duman gives up that lead up/chip pass around the backline that we missed, yes it can be slow play but sometimes just 2 kicks and everything opens up. We were super predictable going long to the wing (last week we had numbers there to crumb and run the ball and get it in50 or 45 degrees into the corridor, all of a sudden free men everywhere because we are working hard)

Gold Coast just got numbers corridor side of every contest and sent it back in, I think they just collectively worked harder and sharper to get to contests around the ground, plus we had numbers back so our contests up the ground were undermanned (somewhat justified imo when you concede like 10 shots in 10 minutes against a rampaging home side)

Mundy looked like he was playing with concrete boots, Walters was poor but he kept us in it at one point. Pearce dropped so, so many marks, and would suddenly have 2 GC smalls pressing on him. I like the idea also of Banfield to the midfield and Brayshaw pressure forward, good at keeping balling alive/moving forward. Brayshaw’s hands around the contest have potential to be elite so I see why he’s in there. Not dropped

Cerra needs time to be a mid. Gold Coast sent it in50 that many times and he had like 15 possessions? At the moment he is a wonderful outside/finisher, and can win an occasional yet impressive clearance, but I don’t think his tank is there yet to get to contest after contest. HB is perfect for him at this stage of his career (until about week 12 or next year hopefully) because he won’t need to work so hard to stay involved. Really, when possible, his mature teammates need to tell him to stick around and then win it/ or at least knock it loose for him to collect and use. Think he should be 70/30 HB/MID with a progression to 40/60 by the end of the year. Don’t mind him forward if we are right for pressure Duman can play a better hb/sweeper role this week. If Cerra were ready for the midfield, he’d be dominating playing loosely on Gold Coast’s 6th forward. Better to slowly acclimatise his body to the rigours of AFL. Though he is injured, Blakely’s stint at half back has made him a much more complete player.






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[FreoRicci]

Cerra and Banfield need to rotate through the middle. That’s where their best footy is. Not in some half back or half forward flank. Leave that to players like Switkowski or Matera. Waste of time with those two playing in two positions that are notorious for getting limited disposals.

 

[mr.11]

Stay unchanged! We played terrible football and yet we nearly won. Although i'm fuming we lost a game that we should of won!
I do feel Matera might come in. That would be for Banfield - But i feel Banfield can play that role as defensive forward aswell as kick goals.(So i wouldn't change)
Hughes OUT - You can train all you want and have a great pre-season but when you get towelled up by Sexton easily - not good enough! Leaking!
Duman IN
One guy who needs to lift is Sean Darcy - He needs to play well every week for us to be any chance.
I like Hogan on ball.

 

[malpaso]

I definitely think Darcy should get a week off to get fit and would like to see North or Bewley get a crack at it.

 

[FreoRicci]

FB: Wilson, Hamling, Ryan
HB: Hughes, Pearce, Conca
C: B. Hill, Banfield, Langdon
HF: Matera, Tabs, McCarthy
FF: Walters, Hogan, Schulz
R: Lobb, Fyfe, Mundy

Int: Brayshaw, Cerra, Colyer, Switter.

Bring in Matera, put him in that HF role. Darcy goes out, he’s sore/unfit. Lobb and Tabs share the ruck against St Kilda’s limited rucks.
Banfield into the middle, and Cerra on the bench to rotate through. If he plays game time, prefer it to be in the guts not wasted at half back.
Have a balanced forward line now. Schultz/Switter/Walters with Hogan/McCarthy/Tabs. Perfect

 

[Dale147]

Why do so many want banfield dropped? He was great in round 1.

His decision making has been woeful and his skill execution has not been far behind.

 

[Scham]

Apparently Matera was OK in the scratchie, and Duman played on the wing and did well. North had 22 disposals (50/50 contested and uncontested), 9 tackles and 6 clearances. Nyhuis had 12 kicks from defence at 85.7% efficiency. Switta on reduced minutes.

 

[FreoRicci]

Apparently Matera was OK in the scratchie, and Duman played on the wing and did well. North had 22 disposals (50/50 contested and uncontested), 9 tackles and 6 clearances. Nyhuis had 12 kicks from defence at 85.7% efficiency. Switta on reduced minutes.

Don’t think Duman for Hughes is going to be an upgrade or better for the structure. It’s a like for a like, albeit Duman isn’t as tall. From that list, even Nyhuis as a specialist small defender releasing Wilson, Ryan to do their job. The two are quite poor defensively on smaller, faster players

 

[MadEyeEmmy]

It looks like Logue didn’t play in the Peel scratch match? I thought he was ready to go?

 

[blue shark]

So if Darcy, Sandi are not available, where are we at with Jones, Meek?
Are they developing ok, or will we see another Strnadica delisting?

 

[Scham]

So if Darcy, Sandi are not available, where are we at with Jones, Meek?
Are they developing ok, or will we see another Strnadica delisting?

Neither mentioned in the article about who played well in the scratchie. It’s hard for them because they’re both pure ruckmen and so they have to share the no 1 ruck duties at Peel.

 

[Scham]

It looks like Logue didn’t play in the Peel scratch match? I thought he was ready to go?

Reported in the training thread that he didn’t train last week.

 

[Swiggy]

Matera north logue in
Hughes Schulz and (darcy or tabnerner)

Think with north in hogan can play forward, just think we are too tall so if darcy isn’t fit rest him or unfortunately tabnerner goes out

 

[Superkoops]

Reported in the training thread that he didn’t train last week.

Ole crumpets said last week he had a set back - should find out later today in the injury report

 

[theGav56]

Can't be full can it? Geelong can fit something like 10 midfielders into their side and give em all a decent enough amount of midfield time. We've got what? Fyfe, Tucker, Mundy and Brayshaw? Probably could get away with just bringing the 1 in for a Banfield/Schultz and going in with the 6 defenders though.

I'm just big on Conca playing as an inside mid. I don't mind trying Tucker in there but Mundy/youngsters aren't going to get the job done against many teams. If Fyfe goes down we could legitimately finish last with the weight he currently shoulders in the midfield.

Geelong run Duncan as a defender and Ablett as a forward. Essentially similar to what we and every other team do. Midfielders who can play other roles. Replace Cerra/Conca (who do rotate into the midfield) with a defender like Nyhuis or Duman and you restrict that opportunity. With Walters playing more forward last week I think we missed him in the midfield. Matera wold be problematic for that reason.

I am of the school of thought that the game is predominantly about the midfield. If our ruck gets beaten, and without Blakely and SHill, we struggled. GCSs knew that. We didn't have a decent enough response when they exploited that.

I don't think Duman/Nyhuis is the answer, I think the midfield is the answer, and while bringing one of them in may put Conca into the midfield, you are adding one more defender to achieve that.

Of course either SHill or Blakely give the ability to rest midfielders in defense, but until they return, perhaps we could try another player. Bewley maybe.

 

[One_Wing]

Think we just need to bite the bullet and drop a tall forward, an extra player through the midfield should help out.


FB: Duman, Hamling, Ryan

HB: Conca, Pearce, Wilson

C: B.Hill, Fyfe, Langdon

HF: Colyer, McCarthy, Walters

FF: Hogan, Lobb, Matera

Fol: Darcy, Brayshaw, Mundy

int: Banfield, Tucker, Cerra, North