Round 3: Fremantle vs Adelaide

[tribey]

Great time for a trip to Subi... confident?

 

[DaveW]

Maybe the subi curse struck prematurely.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Originally posted by dyertribe
Great time for a trip to Subi... confident?

Definitely not confident at all.

Will be interesting to see what changes are made. Bassett looks out of form, so would probably drop him & play Hentschel FB on JLo/Simmonds, with Kenny to return to CHB on Polak.

Currently I rate Schuey, Gags & Ladhams ahead of Dogga, so I think he can go back to South.

We badly need a crumber up forward, so perhaps Burns should get a chance around Carey's ankles.

Do we return Perrie to CHF (now that AFC have dropped him & played Carey at FF!)

Will Hart be fit?

Lots of questions...

 

[Stiffy_18]

Not overly confident but I think we have some sort of chance. I would definetly make some changes

OUT: Ladhams (inj), Doughty (I was filthy at him for backing out of one crutial contest), Bassett (This bloke is badly out of form. His 3rd game in a row where he was very ordinary)

IN: Bode (play him at the feet of Carey. He is our best crumber), Hart (if fit) and Perrie (and play him at CHF)

One thing I can't get to terms with as far as todays game goes is why play McGregor at CHF when Perrie is a better CHF. Why is it that when Perrie is dropped we decide to play Carey at FF?????? Why don't we play Perrie at CHF and Carey at FF, McGregor at CHB and Hentschel in defence.

There were a few positives to take out of the game. I thought 3 youngsters in Hentschel, Reilly and Schuback all played well. I also thought Gags did well.

I really like Hentschel in defence and I am really keen for us to play Schuback across half back. What I would do is move Edwards to the forward line and give Schuey his role across half back.

How stupid where our crumbers today?????? Considering the delivery he got, I thought Carey played well but can we bitchslap our crumbers into some sanity. When Michael and Leppa spoil they fist the ball so it goes 10-15 meters forward. When these boys spoil the ball never falls at their feet. So why the hell are our crumbers not reading this and going to the right positions?????? There is no bloody point of getting right in front of Carey when the ball will be some 10-15 meters away from him.

Welshy has to pull his finger out.

Scott Stevens was OK but can Jars please teach hi how to kick.

 

[macca23]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Scott Stevens was OK but can Jars please teach hi how to kick.

They have been working on it.

Do you remember when I told you after watching him in the pre-season that if you were relying on him kicking for goal to save your life you'd be dead???

Nothing's changed!!

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by macca23
They have been working on it.

Do you remember when I told you after watching him in the pre-season that if you were relying on him kicking for goal to save your life you'd be dead???

Nothing's changed!!

He really is a dreadful kick. He definetly needs to work on but he is pretty handy nonetheless.

My side for tha game at Subi

IN: Perrie, Hart, Bode
OUT: Bassett, Ladhams, Doughty

_F: _ 17. Scott Welsh _ 2. Wayne Carey _ 9. Tyson Edwards
HF: _ 18. Graham Johncock _ 22. Iam Perrie _ 27. Scott Stevens
_C: _ 33. Brent Reilly _ 32. Mark Ricciuto _ 24. Brett Burton
HB: _ 3. Kris Massie _ 16. Ken McGregor _ 20. Tyson Stenglein
_B: _ 34. Ben Hart _ 37. Trent Hentschel _ 7. Nigel Smart
1R: _ 4. Matthew Clarke _ 36. Simon Goodwin _ 23. Andrew McLeod

INT: _ 10. Matthew Bode _ 21. James Gallagher _ 26. Jacob Schuback _ 35. Rhett Biglands


If we line up like this, and play with some agression and use our skills then and only then are we a chance at Subiaco.
Quite frankly if we lose against Fremantle we will be 0-4 because beating St. Kilda following the trip to Perth would be a monsterous task.

 

[MarksGirl-kbcrowgirl]

as I said in a previous post....if we can settle the team down, get our skills right - the win will come.

It will be a tough trip but we can win. Its not impossible.

k
xx

 

[Sezza_20]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
How stupid where our crumbers today?????? .

What crumbers Stiffy?? We didn't have any!!

 

[dumesny1]

Doesn't matter who you play, you will go down.
3 loses in a row, how sweet that will be.

 

[DaveW]

We started 0-3 in 2001 and still slid into the finals.

In fact we would have had a home final if not for a loss to the 1-20 Fremantle side at Subiaco in round 22.

 

[tinman]

Originally posted by DaveW
We started 0-3 in 2001 and still slid into the finals.

In fact we would have had a home final if not for a loss to the 1-20 Fremantle side at Subiaco in round 22.

Dave, I was there. That was the game that Ayres played Byrne on Bell all game. Bell was taken to hospital after the game with leather poisoning. From memory 44 posessions but Gary never made a move.

I think it cost us a home final and McLeod the Brownlow. Given it was Byrne's last AFL game what was the point?

If it was designed to give him a lesson and to develop him then he never played another game, and was delisted at season end?

Another coaching stroke of genius?

BTW, McGregor was one of our best players in that game, and was dropped the next week.

 

[ant]

Honestly, I'll be stunned if we get within 10 goals. I can't see it happening. We're a team devoid of confidence, with a poor structure and no creativity.....a trip to Subi and Freo isn't going to help.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Have some faith people

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18

IN: Perrie, Hart, Bode
OUT: Bassett, Ladhams, Doughty

_F: _ 17. Scott Welsh _ 2. Wayne Carey _ 9. Tyson Edwards
HF: _ 18. Graham Johncock _ 22. Iam Perrie _ 27. Scott Stevens
_C: _ 33. Brent Reilly _ 32. Mark Ricciuto _ 24. Brett Burton
HB: _ 3. Kris Massie _ 16. Ken McGregor _ 20. Tyson Stenglein
_B: _ 34. Ben Hart _ 37. Trent Hentschel _ 7. Nigel Smart
1R: _ 4. Matthew Clarke _ 36. Simon Goodwin _ 23. Andrew McLeod

INT: _ 10. Matthew Bode _ 21. James Gallagher _ 26. Jacob Schuback _ 35. Rhett Biglands

Agee with most of your comments & side Stiffy. I would probably bring Burns in instead of Bode as a crumber at the feet of Carey. Would also start McLeod on the bench & tell him he is 1 poor game away from being dropped.

F: Welsh, Carey, Burns
HF: Johncock, Perrie, Edwards
C: Reilly, Ricciuto, Burton
HB: Massie, McGregor, Gallagher
B: Hart, Hentschel, Smart
R: Clarke, Stenglein, Goodwin
I: Biglands, Stevens, Schuback, McLeod

 

[-WWJD-]

Originally posted by Kane McGoodwin
Agee with most of your comments & side Stiffy. I would probably bring Burns in instead of Bode as a crumber at the feet of Carey. Would also start McLeod on the bench & tell him he is 1 poor game away from being dropped.

F: Welsh, Carey, Burns
HF: Johncock, Perrie, Edwards
C: Reilly, Ricciuto, Burton
HB: Massie, McGregor, Gallagher
B: Hart, Hentschel, Smart
R: Clarke, Stenglein, Goodwin
I: Biglands, Stevens, Schuback, McLeod

My thoughts exactly. After Gags' attack on the ball and the body, if he starts on the bench next week and McLeod gets a spot onfield...which I'm sure will be the case. I won't be happy.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Matchups

Pavlich - who plays on him? I was 1st thinking Stinger, but then thought about trying Birdman, who has been largely ineffective so far this year. He has the ability to run with Pav & go with him in the air & hopefully may run him into much needed form.

I expect Carr will pick up Roo. We could run Stinger with Haselby. Leaving Goody v Bell, Reilly v Schammer.

In defence, Kenny should matchup well on Polak (or Simmonds if he is still injured) & Hentschel on JLo. They key though will be how we pick up their goal-kicking smalls - ie. Farmer, Medhurst & Waterhouse. Need someone good overhead for Medhurst, so probably Hart. Probably Gags for his pace on Farmer & Massie on Waterhouse.

BTW, anoyone know what has happened to Torney, as I don't believe he played for South yesterday?

 

[-WWJD-]

Re: Matchups

Originally posted by Kane McGoodwin
BTW, anoyone know what has happened to Torney, as I don't believe he played for South yesterday?

Didn't quite hear the injury details but he was interviewed at the game on the big screen and said he would be back with Souths this week or next.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Re: Matchups

Originally posted by Kane McGoodwin
Pavlich - who plays on him? I was 1st thinking Stinger, but then thought about trying Birdman, who has been largely ineffective so far this year. He has the ability to run with Pav & go with him in the air & hopefully may run him into much needed form.

I expect Carr will pick up Roo. We could run Stinger with Haselby. Leaving Goody v Bell, Reilly v Schammer.

In defence, Kenny should matchup well on Polak (or Simmonds if he is still injured) & Hentschel on JLo. They key though will be how we pick up their goal-kicking smalls - ie. Farmer, Medhurst & Waterhouse. Need someone good overhead for Medhurst, so probably Hart. Probably Gags for his pace on Farmer & Massie on Waterhouse.

BTW, anoyone know what has happened to Torney, as I don't believe he played for South yesterday?

Pavlich is the one most difficult to match up on. We tried Stenglein and Hart last year and it didn't work. Maybe try Smart on Pavlich. Burton doesn't have the smarts or the concentration to go with Pavlich for the entire game.

I think we need to play Reilly on an established player. Someon like Headland would be good.

Kenny should match up on JLo because they are better match ups as far as height is concerned. Hentschel should play on Simmonds or Polak. Hart to play on Medhurst and one of the smalls to pick up Farmer. Gallagher is good when he can run and not worry about his man. I think if we play him on Farmer, Jeff will make us pay. Maybe Schuback or Edwards on Farmer.

Massie has the height to go with Clive but has he got the pace. I just watched the game between Swans and Dockers and Clive is very quick off the mark. Torney would be perfect match up on him but it would appear that he re-injured himself.

I will wait to see the side before I think of the possible match ups.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Re: Re: Matchups

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Pavlich is the one most difficult to match up on. We tried Stenglein and Hart last year and it didn't work. Maybe try Smart on Pavlich. Burton doesn't have the smarts or the concentration to go with Pavlich for the entire game.

Just trying to think of something out of left-field to run Burton into form. Pav would have way too much aerobic capacity for Smart, as he no longer has the running ability he did a few years back.

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Kenny should match up on JLo because they are better match ups as far as height is concerned. Hentschel should play on Simmonds or Polak. Hart to play on Medhurst and one of the smalls to pick up Farmer. Gallagher is good when he can run and not worry about his man. I think if we play him on Farmer, Jeff will make us pay. Maybe Schuback or Edwards on Farmer.

Massie has the height to go with Clive but has he got the pace. I just watched the game between Swans and Dockers and Clive is very quick off the mark. Torney would be perfect match up on him but it would appear that he re-injured himself.

Funny as I see Hentschel being better suited to JLo, as Jlo isn't really a body player. Each to their own.

Another option for Farmer could be to play McLeod on him. Need to do something different with Macca to run him back into form. Perhaps like in '97 we run him off a HBF & he may give us some extra drive from defence.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Re: Re: Re: Matchups

Originally posted by Kane McGoodwin
Just trying to think of something out of left-field to run Burton into form. Pav would have way too much aerobic capacity for Smart, as he no longer has the running ability he did a few years back.


Funny as I see Hentschel being better suited to JLo, as Jlo isn't really a body player. Each to their own.

Another option for Farmer could be to play McLeod on him. Need to do something different with Macca to run him back into form. Perhaps like in '97 we run him off a HBF & he may give us some extra drive from defence.

Smart might not be able to run with Pav for the whole game. Pav did play up forward a fair bit today against the Swans. We need to come up with someone. Burton isn't accountable on the best of days. It will be interesting to see who we give the job. For mine, it comes back to Stenglein again.

Maybe, I just went for the height factor. JLo is 198 cm, while Kenny is our tallest KPP at 195 cm. I think Kenny played on JLo in the past and did a fantastic job. Simmonds is not really a good forward. Again I am not sure on these yet. It will depend on who gets picked.

I don't know what McLeod's problem is but he definetly got one. In the words of Kerls it doesn't matter if you play onball or in the forward pocket, if you are good enough and you want it bad enough you will get the ball.

We really need to do something with McLeod. Maybe starting him on the bench might get him fired up. I am really lost for answers when it comes to McLeod's lack of form.

PS. In all these who is the dangermen of Dockers talk we are all overlooking big Sandilands. I reckon he will cause us headaches especially if Biglands continues his stinky form.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Matchups

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Smart might not be able to run with Pav for the whole game. Pav did play up forward a fair bit today against the Swans. We need to come up with someone. Burton isn't accountable on the best of days. It will be interesting to see who we give the job. For mine, it comes back to Stenglein again.

Smart jsut hasn't got the aerobic capacity, so forget about him as a matchup. Agree Stenglein is the obvious candidate. However, remember Burton's breakthrough game was a run-with player on Robert Harvey. He might not have a great footy brain, but he can follow a simple instruction like follow Pav everywhere & deny him the ball on the ground & in the air!

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Maybe, I just went for the height factor. JLo is 198 cm, while Kenny is our tallest KPP at 195 cm. I think Kenny played on JLo in the past and did a fantastic job. Simmonds is not really a good forward. Again I am not sure on these yet. It will depend on who gets picked.

Stiffy, your forgetting about Polak (assuming he is fit), who is likely to play CHF. Kenny is a good matchup for him.

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
I don't know what McLeod's problem is but he definetly got one. In the words of Kerls it doesn't matter if you play onball or in the forward pocket, if you are good enough and you want it bad enough you will get the ball.

We really need to do something with McLeod. Maybe starting him on the bench might get him fired up. I am really lost for answers when it comes to McLeod's lack of form.

Again not sure what we do with Macca, but we do need to do something different to try & spark him.

Originally posted by Stiffy_18 PS. In all these who is the dangermen of Dockers talk we are all overlooking big Sandilands. I reckon he will cause us headaches especially if Biglands continues his stinky form. [/B]

We are not going to win too many taps this week, which suggests 2 things. Firstly, our midfielders better play tight on their opponents or learnt how to read Sandilands taps. Secondly, do we drop Clarke (I'm serious), as we need to get an advantage around the ground - which Huddo is more likely going to give. If Clarke isn't going to win the taps, then he is next to useless.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Matchups

Originally posted by Kane McGoodwin
We are not going to win too many taps this week, which suggests 2 things. Firstly, our midfielders better play tight on their opponents or learnt how to read Sandilands taps. Secondly, do we drop Clarke (I'm serious), as we need to get an advantage around the ground - which Huddo is more likely going to give. If Clarke isn't going to win the taps, then he is next to useless.

On form its Biglands who deserves to be dropped. According to Leaping Linder, Huddo was given BOG by one of the comentators in todays game.

I think the key with Sandilands is to run into him at centre bounces. Just run into him with pointy knees (fairly of course). Exert physical presence, maybe that will get him to go into his shell a bit. At stoppages around the ground we need someone to go up as the 3rd man and thump the ball forward. Someone with good leap so Burton would be a good answer to this.

Our midfield structure better be perfect or we are dead in the water.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Matchups

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
On form its Biglands who deserves to be dropped. According to Leaping Linder, Huddo was given BOG by one of the comentators in todays game.

I think the key with Sandilands is to run into him at centre bounces. Just run into him with pointy knees (fairly of course). Exert physical presence, maybe that will get him to go into his shell a bit. At stoppages around the ground we need someone to go up as the 3rd man and thump the ball forward. Someone with good leap so Burton would be a good answer to this.

Our midfield structure better be perfect or we are dead in the water.

I'm not so much thinking of form, but horses for courses Stiffy. If we need someone as you say to jump into Sandilands, then Clarke is not the guy. We are better off playing 2 more physical ruckmen.

 

[ok.crows]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Have some faith people

I have every faith that Ayres will stick to his guns and that ant's prediction for this game will be accurate.

 

[marvin]

Re: Matchups

Originally posted by Kane McGoodwin
Pavlich - who plays on him? I was 1st thinking Stinger, but then thought about trying Birdman, who has been largely ineffective so far this year. He has the ability to run with Pav & go with him in the air & hopefully may run him into much needed form.

Birdman was given the "go-with" job on Riewoldt last year at Docklands. He refused to "go-with" him, never getting within 25 metres of him. Burton did his ankle in the 2nd Quarter, but Riewoldt was well on his way to BOG by then.

Hard to write someone off after one game, but that game convinces me that Birdman doesn't have the discipline to go with Pavlich.