Autopsy Round 4 = GWS 66-64 Collingwood

[jackcass]

I like the optimism, but each time Cox doesn't impact (which is a lot), the ball usually zips back for a goal as there is no pressure on their defense. Most players don't even care if he's on the mark as they usually play on around him.
In my eyes, majority of the match, the Pies pretty much are playing one man down when Cox is in the side and like the Cloke effect, the team becomes predictable.

Shame to pick on the guy as he tries...but it's so painful when looking to challenge for a flag....

Kennedy
Darling
Reiwoldt (2017 version)
Lynch

........Reid , Cox , Cameron

I'm not sure why we should be critical of Coxy's lack of F50 defensive pressure while conveniently ignoring that the small - medium forwards for whom it should be their bread and butter didn't bring any either.

 

[No SPIN]

3 out of our 4 last losses are to GWS.

Round 18, Prelim, Last night.

2/3 less than a goal- which hurts the most!

We Defs have a bogey team.

2/3 less than a goal suggests a coin toss not a bogey team IMO.

 

[jackcass]

Maybe WHE (JDG too) can become better at reading the play and identify that leaching out the back in the hope of receiving a kick over the top is stupid when things are tight and the defender is under pressure and just hacking it forward for field position.

You can't position for clean incisive transition, when the opposition aren't allowing it, particularly when it's your man who intercepts without a contest over and over again.

All too often though that wasn't the case and the kick was just poorly weighted. Much like Moore's kick out of defense which had too much weight, there was a lot of it last night.

 

[jackcass]

It wasn't Phillips, but it should've been. Pendles stole the free kick

Mayne set shot.

 

[jackcass]

Why is Stephenson only good in the first 10 minutes of a game

That's the $1m ?

 

[Big Bryza]

Unless I'm mistaken, Kennedy wasn't the player he is now until something like 2013 or 2014 though when he was getting toward mid 20's. I'm not saying Sier will ever get to that level but he's still got a couple of years before the bar makes a substantial jump.

Kennedy has been a gun since 2011. He was 23 years old during that season.

If Sier is fit and ready then he needs to play soon. He was really good in 2018 and we could do with his on ball work.

I'm more concerned about the lack of impact from De Goey right now. He's quickly becoming all hype and no substance. His kicking is bordering on ordinary. At his best he's a star, but he needs a rocket and has to start delivering now,

 

[sr36]

All too often though that wasn't the case and the kick was just poorly weighted. Much like Moore's kick out of defense which had too much weight, there was a lot of it last night.

I'm not basing this on one game. WHE is my equivalent to your Phillips. In pressure games, he seperates from his ideally positioned defender to try to receive a very unlikely pass and his opponent takes uncontested intercept after intercept. And then when he is in a contest, he generally loses it. He looks fantastic and does some brilliant things, but he's too often a liability when it matters.

 

[sr36]

Why is Stephenson only good in the first 10 minutes of a game

He's building. He went from 10 to 20 minutes this week.

 

[jackcass]

agree - but nothing you have offered supports the flow of posts starting with the original poster who suggested we lacked effort.

I said we were outworked. I think our effort was there but probably not as consistent across the 22 or across the full 4 quarters as you'd like.

 

[jackcass]

Kennedy has been a gun since 2011. He was 23 years old during that season.

If Sier is fit and ready then he needs to play soon. He was really good in 2018 and we could do with his on ball work.

I'm more concerned about the lack of impact from De Goey right now. He's quickly becoming all hype and no substance. His kicking is bordering on ordinary. At his best he's a star, but he needs a rocket and has to start delivering now,

Happy to be corrected on JPK, I was just guestimating.

I'm not too worried about JDG just yet. He didn't have a lot of impact last night but consistent with his performances since the resumption, he's having a lot of almost moments. Hopefully they turn into something more substantial sooner rather than later.

 

[loki04]

Yes, you can learn from the past, but shouldn't focused on that. New year. New experiences. New players.

New players? team is largely the same almost identical.

Game plan is largely the same too, not a lot seems to have changed which is the point. You got me on one thing, it's definitely a new year.

And i'm not saying we can't win it, but rather i'm not sure we have improved or changed enough to be confident of winning it or even making it. We were being sprouted as flag favorites just last week it's overboard for what we have shown.

 

[Quicky]

Langdon is way off Playing.

Murphy could play that Spot

I'd pick Scharenberg. We need to replace Howe's intercepting and Scharenberg is a proven elite intercepter and is good defensively. I think he's our best replacement. He won't match Howe's speed, intensity or offensive intent but he's a good replacement in the circumstances.

 

[No SPIN]

I'd pick Scharenberg. We need to replace Howe's intercepting and Scharenberg is a proven elite intercepter and is good defensively. I think he's our best replacement. He won't match Howe's speed, intensity or offensive intent but he's a good replacement in the circumstances.

hopefully offensive intent will come with his kicking -the scratch match review emphasised this aspect of his excellent game on Friday.

 

[Swooper18]

Collingwood have squandered a golden opportunity to fail against GWS by 2 points. The Woods had several shots at goal in the last term, and failed to convert simple set shots the Giants were able to convert when goals were needed to be kicked. The Magpies have cost themselves 6 premiership points in half of their matches this season by kicking behinds from very simple set shots against the Tigers & Giants this season. I admired Collingwood's response to reduce a 19-point deficit during the third term to win back momentum, yet could not capitalise on their dominance for much of the last quarter. A number of Collingwood's drawcard players didn't fire a shot in the first half, some of them lifted, but came up short at the death in the clinches.

Collingwood dominated most of the statistical categories from Friday night's game. They were +14 for kicks (177 - 163), +34 for hit-outs (55 - 21), won the centre clearances by +3 (12 - 9), uncontested possessions were won by +11 (127 - 116), intercept possessions was +11 (59 - 48), tackles had a differential of +15 (66 - 51), Tackles Inside 50 were won by +10 (15 - 5), and Inside 50s were +11 (48 - 37). The Woods took 8 more marks (72 - 64), of which they claimed an advantage of +4 for uncontested marks (61 - 57), and were ahead in Contested Marks by +4 (11 - 7), while narrowly claiming Marks Inside 50 by +2 (9 - 7). For the Giants, they got their advantages from disposals by +2 (291 - 289), won the handball count by +16 (128 - 112), +7 for uncontested possessions (162 - 155), clearances were won by +5 (36 - 31), and claimed stoppage clearances by +8 (27 - 19).

Scott Pendlebury (26 disposals @ 58%, 429 metres gained, 17 contested possessions, 9 uncontested possessions, 7 intercept possessions, 14 kicks, 12 handballs, 2 tackles, 6 score involvements, 7 clearances, 4 centre clearances, 3 stoppage clearances, 7 Inside 50s & 2 Rebound 50s) lifted his game immensely in the second half to almost win the game single-handedly for the club.

Brodie Grundy (19 disposals @ 74%, 151 metres gained, 14 contested possessions, 5 uncontested possessions, 3 intercept possessions, 47 hit-outs, 8 kicks, 11 handballs, 5 marks, 2 Contested Marks, 2 tackles, 3 score involvements, 2 clearances, 2 stoppage clearances & 2 Inside 50s) dominated his ruck duel with Shane Mumford, yet Grundy's dominance and impact levels were neutralised at ground level around stoppages, an area the Giants took control of the game and ultimately prevailed.

Taylor Adams (17 disposals @ 71%, 388 metres gained, 6 contested possessions, 11 uncontested possessions, 13 kicks, 4 handballs, 4 marks, 10 tackles, 4 score involvements, 4 clearances, 2 centre clearances, 2 stoppage clearances & 5 Inside 50s) displayed his hardness and toughness at the contest with his tackling pressure and ability to spread from the contest to take a few marks.

Rupert Wills (16 disposals @ 56%, 11 contested possessions, 5 uncontested possessions, 2 intercept possessions, 7 kicks, 9 handballs, 2 marks, 8 tackles, 2 Tackles Inside 50, 4 score involvements, 5 clearances & 4 stoppage clearances) played to his strengths, but could not provide meaningful territory or release his teammates on the outside of the contest for the side to be a commanding threat.

Brayden Maynard (23 disposals @ 83%, 584 metres gained, 5 contested possessions, 18 uncontested possessions, 7 intercept possessions, 17 kicks, 6 handballs, 5 marks, 4 score involvements, 5 Inside 50s & 3 Rebound 50s) played his role well, yet he allowed Toby Greene to get off the chain a bit too much, and I'm sure he'd want that ill-directed kick back again that resulted in a goal to Josh Kelly for the Giants against the run of play.

Jeremy Howe (23 disposals @ 74%, 499 metres gained, 8 contested possessions, 15 uncontested possessions, 6 intercept possessions, 18 kicks, 5 handballs, 6 marks, 2 tackles, 3 score involvements, 2 clearances, 2 Inside 50s & 6 Rebound 50s) played superbly before severely injuring his posterior & medial ligaments in his knee which jolted upon impact with Jacob Hopper in an attempt to gather a contested ball. Collingwood will be calling upon the likes of Jack Madgen, Lynden Dunn & Tom Langdon (the latter of the trio declared fit to play by Geoff Walsh (General Manager) in a scratch match against the Bombers) to fill the vacant void. Mark Keane will also be in the mix for his club debut. Be diligent and vigilant in your rehab, Jeremy. Would love to see you return to play in October if it is possible.

Jack Crisp (17 disposals @ 71%, 337 metres gained, 7 contested possessions, 10 uncontested possessions, 5 intercept possessions, 13 kicks, 4 handballs, 3 marks, 3 tackles, 6 score involvements, 3 clearances, 2 stoppage clearances, 5 Inside 50s, 2 Rebound 50s & 1 goal) was able to find enough of the ball to be an offensive weapon off half-back, and drifted forward when he could impact the play.

Darcy Moore (16 disposals @ 81%, 258 metres gained, 6 contested possessions, 10 uncontested possessions, 8 intercept possessions, 10 kicks, 6 handballs, 9 marks, 2 Contested Marks, 2 Inside 50s & 3 Rebound 50s) played his best game of the season, yet he did have errors he would want to fix going forward. Moore looms as Collingwood's most important player over the next five matches (including three consecutive matches in Perth at Optus Stadium) with Jeremy Howe not available, and possibly Jordan Roughead indicating that he won't be in the hub when the club makes the trip to Perth.

Jaidyn Stephenson (10 disposals @ 40%, 148 metres gained, 5 contested possessions, 5 uncontested possessions, 7 kicks, 3 handballs, 4 marks, 4 Marks Inside 50, 3 tackles, 2 Tackles Inside 50, 7 score involvements & 2 goals) started like a house on fire before drifting out of the game at the wrong time. Would love to see put more than one quarter of footy together, Jaidyn. Love your scoreboard impact, but build more impetus for longer periods to be even more beneficial to your side's success in the coming matches.

Collingwood's next game will be against Essendon on July 3 at the MCG. Emphasis on converting simple set shots is a must, and I want all of Collingwood's drawcard players to hit the nail on top of Essendon's head for four quarters by applying scoreboard pressure from the outset and not relinquish that advantage once. Make it happen, Woods! I don't want to be submitting too many summaries involving failures to win matches going forward.

 

[Robroy22]

3 out of our 4 last losses are to GWS.

Round 18, Prelim, Last night.

2/3 less than a goal- which hurts the most!

We Defs have a bogey team.

Didn't Hawthorn lose 13 in a row to Geelong? and we once won 10 or something in a row against the Swans in Sydney....3/4 GWS has beaten us you say?
I'll worry if it gets to 10

 

[Chrispiesssss]

Didn't Hawthorn lose 13 in a row to Geelong? and we once won 10 or something in a row against the Swans in Sydney....3/4 GWS has beaten us you say?
I'll worry if it gets to 10

We have lost 5/6 against the Giants.

I meant our last 3 (of 4) losses have come from giants.

Round 18 GWS - loss
Round 19 Rich - loss
Prelim GWS - loss
Round 4 - Loss

 

[The Royal Sampler]

The round 18 loss was the only worrying loss of the lot. The more recent two we should have won, and the PF we won three quarters but had a bad lapse in one.

 

[Captivating]

Hawks and GWS are our bogie teams. And it's a mental thing against both teams too.

We seem to shit ourselves when see the Hawks jumper and we are headed down the same path with GWS.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

See I don’t think we have GWS as a bogie team. I think they’re just a good team, and we had a very bad third quarter in a slippery preliminary final. The other two games we lost to a very good team on the road, one by a very small margin.

 

[jimmy35]

Maybe WHE (JDG too) can become better at reading the play and identify that leaching out the back in the hope of receiving a kick over the top is stupid when things are tight and the defender is under pressure and just hacking it forward for field position.

You can't position for clean incisive transition, when the opposition aren't allowing it, particularly when it's your man who intercepts without a contest over and over again.

Felt Stevo was also guilty of this a few time late as well. If they slip through, and it’s happened a few times against us, then it’s brilliant. Frustrating to see in tight games though.

 

[rhys_22]

How good is Scott pendlebury. He carried the boys on friday night without him it would be a 10 goal loss. What a champion. Grundy and Moore good also.

 

[jimmy35]

Why is Stephenson only good in the first 10 minutes of a game

Maybe they need to send him down into the sheds whenever he comes off and make him start again.

 

[Tarkyn_24]

I'm not sure why we should be critical of Coxy's lack of F50 defensive pressure while conveniently ignoring that the small - medium forwards for whom it should be their bread and butter didn't bring any either.

WHE is a ****ing witches hat. And he hasn’t offered anything the other way since mid 2018 either. Why do we persist with him?

 

[Chief Ten Beers]

I'm not sure why we should be critical of Coxy's lack of F50 defensive pressure while conveniently ignoring that the small - medium forwards for whom it should be their bread and butter didn't bring any either.

Yes, but it's more that he doesn't really impact the aerial contest as much as he should for being the tallest player ever - so we're automatically down a player who provides defensive pressure. If that makes sense.

Anyway, you're dead right and De Goey really needs to pull his finger out imo.

 

[stormskye]

I said it before the game, I don’t like Kane Cornes but I agree with him 100% on Cox. When he plays we are predictable going forward, and we are also more likely to bomb it forward. If we are predictable then it’s easier to have intercept marks. Cox drops far to many marks, and a key forward should kick 40 goals min a year, he kicks 20. I just think we are a much better team without him, and he doesn’t offer anything near enough being in the team.

Of course there’s others who aren’t playing well, but Cox affects our forward structure so much, in my view in a negative way.