Recommitted Rowan Marshall [OOC 2027] - Requested Trade to Geelong, didn't get done

[CatToTheFuture]

I don’t doubt you have the cap space but Geelong generally don’t like giving out big money contracts especially to ruckman where they normally go for budget types which marshal is not. I’m surprised that would be happy to pay a 29 year old ruckman 800k

Ok sure, but I'm assuming the 800k is actually just a contracted $4m over 5 years, of which he's served 3.

If so then given you've been struggling to hit the cap floor and you've been banking so much cap then it's almost a certainty that you'd have been front loading the contract. If on a $/yr basis the contract was an $800kpa contract he probably only has $600kpa left to pay.

Even 800k ain't that much in the current salary cap

 

[Hamingja]

I don’t doubt you have the cap space but Geelong generally don’t like giving out big money contracts especially to ruckman where they normally go for budget types which marshal is not. I’m surprised that would be happy to pay a 29 year old ruckman 800k

We have drafted a heap of young rucks but they are 2-3 years away so Marshall would be a good bridge from Stanley to that group. I think we would have more of an issue with the trade cost than the salary. If you guys were happy to take our first, which is going to end up pretty late with the heavily compromised draft, then I think we would be in play.

 

[FootyLad0]

I don’t doubt you have the cap space but Geelong generally don’t like giving out big money contracts especially to ruckman where they normally go for budget types which marshal is not. I’m surprised that would be happy to pay a 29 year old ruckman 800k

You can rip up a contract and re-do it.
We did it with Bowes, we stretched the money out so we didn’t have a big cap hit and keep him under contract for longer.

Could easily split Rowan’s contract up and split 800k into a longer deal on less money.
He’s not hurting for money and he knows he’d be joining a contender.

 

[FootyLad0]

We have drafted a heap of young rucks but they are 2-3 years away so Marshall would be a good bridge from Stanley to that group. I think we would have more of an issue with the trade cost than the salary. If you guys were happy to take our first, which is going to end up pretty late with the heavily compromised draft, then I think we would be in play.

The only thing stopping the deal getting done would be SOS being a tosser and asking for more when everybody seems to be on the same page with his value….
Especially if the word is correct that Rowan has already asked out last year and had been turned down by the Saints, fair enough if it’s one of your better players and they are under contract.
But now they are throwing the biggest contract ever at another ruckman to take his spot, SOS at least do the right thing by the guy lol

 

[Pure_Ownage]

This one feels like a pretty simple win-win-win right?

Saints need a younger ruckman to suit our list profile, and one is available as a FA. Cats need a ruckman and have the perfect currency in a late-ish first rounder. Marshall gets to play the role that he is suited to in a team competing for a flag.

If nobody decides to be a dick about things (I'm looking at you, SOS), and Marshall does actually want the Cats, then this should get done day one of trade week right?

It should if st kilda agrees to accept a late r1 but i can see SOS being an idiot and pushing for more than that and hence it not happening.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

One thing that hasn’t really been mentioned forget about his trade value for a minute. Are Geelong going to be happy to take on his salary which is around 800k I think

First of all we have a lot of cap space. Secondly I'm assuming given st kildas cap space that they have probably been front loading his salary. So long as our club board and FD is OK with it I don't see an issue.

 

[longdonkey]

For all the memes, we'd genuinely have about 5 guys on more than 600k.

Holmes - 750-800k
Smith - 700-900k
Stengle - 650-750k
Stewart - 625-725k
Cam Guthrie - 750-800k

Cameron finishes the end of his big contract this year (900-1m) and he'll probably drop off a couple 100k, if not more.

Cam Guthrie's big deal that be signed off the back of an AA/BNF season ends this year, and he'll almost certainly retire/delist.

Danger's on a two year deal now, where he openly said "Just give me whatever's left over".

We'll be coming into some cap room with no real obvious people to pay now that Dempsey has been sorted, and Neale, SDK, etc are locked away.

His contact should be no issue.

Don't worry Rhys Stanley is apparently the lowest paid ruckman in the league - yes he is paid less than Flynn, Visentini and Sweet. Get your head around that.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Don't worry Rhys Stanley is apparently the lowest paid ruckman in the league - yes he is paid less than Flynn, Visentini and Sweet. Get your head around that.

I can't get my head around him getting paid less than Mitch Edwards!

Unless the journo who said that only meant established best 22 rucks.

 

[Tasmanian saint]

Marshall back in good form was great around the ground today , way to good of a player to loose for a late first rounder in a shallow draft like this year I hope we keep him now

 

[Orange Agent]

Don't worry Rhys Stanley is apparently the lowest paid ruckman in the league - yes he is paid less than Flynn, Visentini and Sweet. Get your head around that.

Many ways to get paid....

 

[FootyLad0]

Marshall back in good form was great around the ground today , way to good of a player to loose for a late first rounder in a shallow draft like this year I hope we keep him now

The question becomes not if you want to keep him but would he want to stay?

Imagine you are in Rowan's shoes.
You've worked hard to become to number 1 Ruck almost an AA year two years ago...meanwhile your team is throwing the biggest offer ever at another guy who plays your position.

How do you reckon that makes you feel?
You reckon you'd wanna stick around being relegated to 2nd in your preferred position and now being forced to play forward almost full time in which he's shown, he's not a full time forward.
He's a Ruck who can play forward.

Wouldn't blame him at all for asking out.

 

[Tasmanian saint]

The question becomes not if you want to keep him but would he want to stay?

Imagine you are in Rowan's shoes.
You've worked hard to become to number 1 Ruck almost an AA year two years ago...meanwhile your team is throwing the biggest offer ever at another guy who plays your position.

How do you reckon that makes you feel?
You reckon you'd wanna stick around being relegated to 2nd in your preferred position and now being forced to play forward almost full time in which he's shown, he's not a full time forward.
He's a Ruck who can play forward.

Wouldn't blame him at all for asking out.

Or maybe it fires him up to go out and prove that he is a better player than tdk , it’s also worth noting that we played two full time ruckman the last 2 weeks and it worked pretty well actually it might even prolong his career not having to shoulder such a big load anymore

 

[FootyLad0]

Or maybe it fires him up to go out and prove that he is a better player than tdk , it’s also worth noting that we played two full time ruckman the last 2 weeks and it worked pretty well actually it might even prolong his career not having to shoulder such a big load anymore

If his competition is Heath, that means he's spending majority of it in the Ruck.
If you're paying TDK $1.7M a year, you're now paying roughly $1.7M to play 1st and majority of the time in the Ruck (you're not sitting him at full forward like Carlton have been doing to very meh results) and that's on top of paying another Ruck 800k to sit in the forward line taking him away from where he works best.

Two very different sets of context.

 

[Tasmanian saint]

If his competition is Heath, that means he's spending majority of it in the Ruck.
If you're paying TDK $1.7M a year, you're now paying roughly $1.7M to play 1st and majority of the time in the Ruck (you're not sitting him at full forward like Carlton have been doing to very meh results) and that's on top of paying another Ruck 800k to sit in the forward line taking him away from where he works best.

Two very different sets of context.

When we recruited paddy Ryder he didn’t sook it up and demand a trade it actually worked well, it will be interesting how it plays out it wouldn’t surprise if Geelong think we are just going to do rowan a favour and trade him for a jack Steven type deal for peanuts will they actually be serious and prepared to pay a fair trade price

 

[Duckimus Prime]

When we recruited paddy Ryder he didn’t sook it up and demand a trade it actually worked well, it will be interesting how it plays out it wouldn’t surprise if Geelong think we are just going to do rowan a favour and trade him for a jack Steven type deal for peanuts will they actually be serious and prepared to pay a fair trade price

Paddy Ryder didn't come across on a mega contract. He came across as a support act for Marshall and paid as such.

 

[longdonkey]

You can rip up a contract and re-do it.
We did it with Bowes, we stretched the money out so we didn’t have a big cap hit and keep him under contract for longer.

Could easily split Rowan’s contract up and split 800k into a longer deal on less money.
He’s not hurting for money and he knows he’d be joining a contender.

Tell me how do you sell that...oh we'll pick you up but we aren't going to pay you for a couple years. How does that work?

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Tell me how do you sell that...oh we'll pick you up but we aren't going to pay you for a couple years. How does that work?

He was owed 1.6m over two and we paid him something like 2.8m over 4. He still got the money he was owed.

 

[longdonkey]

He was owed 1.6m over two and we paid him something like 2.8m over 4. He still got the money he was owed.

On your numbers he had 2 years of a contract left at which he was paid $800k per year. So you extended his contract by 2 years and paid him 2.8m so he was paid $800k , $800k , $600k, $600k. So the reality is he signed for 2 years at $600k per year but he played for you for $800k for the years he was still contracted at Gold Coast.

OK that I can get my head around that the player would do that. The examples some of your nuff supporters give make it seem like he was playing at Geelong for free.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

On your numbers he had 2 years of a contract left at which he was paid $800k per year. So you extended his contract by 2 years and paid him 2.8m so he was paid $800k , $800k , $600k, $600k. So the reality is he signed for 2 years at $600k per year but he played for you for $800k for the years he was still contracted at Gold Coast.

OK that I can get my head around that the player would do that. The examples some of your nuff supporters give make it seem like he was playing at Geelong for free.

I think it's just a hard one to get across because it's unusual. What we got for free was Jhye Clark, which, some may argue was overpaying on our behalf

 

[Kobe Gryant]

OK that I can get my head around

That's good to hear, it's complicated stuff.

We're basically debunking the Kennedy assassination here, rather than understanding why a middling footballer would jump at two extra years of job security.

 

[FootyLad0]

Tell me how do you sell that...oh we'll pick you up but we aren't going to pay you for a couple years. How does that work?

In essence you’re breaking the contract up by spreading the contract length over a longer period of time and stretching the money out so you take less per year but for a longer period of time.

So if Rowan is out of contract end of 2027 (currently owed 2.5 years worth of money for remainder of 2025 and then 2026 and 2027), effectively Geelong could say well bring you in for 2026 with your 2 remaining years owed on roughly 800k per year so $1.6M and extend the contract to the end of 2029 but on less dollars per year say over a sliding scale of 4 years so something like this

1	$235,000
2	$315,000
3	$450,000
4	$600,000

He’s not losing anything, he has longer job security as well as he ages.
And it’s still scaling upwards so it’s not like he’s all of a sudden losing his income.
If he goes to open market end of 2027 there’s a good chance he could get way less as an over 30 year old ruck.

If he wants extra security with money you could turn that into 2M over 4 years and do similar.
It’s not that crazy a concept

 

[longdonkey]

In essence you’re breaking the contract up by spreading the contract length over a longer period of time and stretching the money out so you take less per year but for a longer period of time.

So if Rowan is out of contract end of 2027 (currently owed 2.5 years worth of money for remainder of 2025 and then 2026 and 2027), effectively Geelong could say well bring you in for 2026 with your 2 remaining years owed on roughly 800k per year so $1.6M and extend the contract to the end of 2029 but on less dollars per year say over a sliding scale of 4 years so something like this

1	$235,000
2	$315,000
3	$450,000
4	$600,000

He’s not losing anything, he has longer job security as well as he ages.
And it’s still scaling upwards so it’s not like he’s all of a sudden losing his income.
If he goes to open market end of 2027 there’s a good chance he could get way less as an over 30 year old ruck.

If he wants extra security with money you could turn that into 2M over 4 years and do similar.
It’s not that crazy a concept

That is a crazy concept because with your numbers Marshall plays for 2 years on no pay and no player will do that. He is better staying with St Kilda.

 

[longdonkey]

That's good to hear, it's complicated stuff.

We're basically debunking the Kennedy assassination here, rather than understanding why a middling footballer would jump at two extra years of job security.

I'm a data analyst so its not exactly brain surgery but some examples given make no sense at all.

 

[Oisin_the_Goat]

I'm a data analyst so its not exactly brain surgery but some examples given make no sense at all.

Yeah 2 years of salary needs to be added to those figures.

 

[longdonkey]

Yeah 2 years of salary needs to be added to those figures.

Exactly