Recommitted Rowan Marshall [OOC 2027] - Requested Trade to Geelong, didn't get done

[bird_man]

Perhaps? Is Marshall better than a healthy Toby Conway? I don't know - but making this trade probably closes the window of Conway (or Mitch Edwards) as our future ruckman. And then having to throw in our first draft pick as well?

I'm 100% fine with walking away.

Yes, he's better than a healthy Conway.

 

[bird_man]

Mackie himself said he and SOS have been chatting constantly and Cats are still exploring trades for Rowan.
So for a club that is adamant they aren't trading him they sure aren't following through on those actions by engaging in trade talks every single day?

Mackie said on trade radio that after the offer he hadn't even heard from the Saints.

He had to call SOS a few days later and SOS told him it was unlikely they'd be trading him.

 

[LuckyBounce!]

If Geelong were to offer a F1 for Rowan, would that be the crux of the trade just Marshall for F1 straight up? Or would Saints want more? The way it's being talked about in the media (Trade Radio, SEN, Tradies pod) it would be 1 x First Rounder alone and it was a matter of this year (Cats) or next year's pick (Saints)

I can see a World where F1 is given, seeing that you can trade multiple firsts into the future now it's not as restrictive.
Mackie said on TR yesterday that they are happy to go to the draft because Stephen Wells and his team can nail picks from whatever position they are picking but they were still exploring how to get Marshall deal done and they want to bring Rowan in.

I can see Mackie and the Cats being perfectly happy to take a pick in the 20's this year to the Draft and go forward by giving their 2026 First.
I imagine anything extra added onto that by SOS and Co that isn't a F3 or less added to the future first would make Cats walk as when it was reported days ago they were haggling over this year's first and next year's first.

Twomey and Beveridge said yesterday on Gettable that Marshall is getting desperate to get to the Cats.
Would be very weird if he feels that strongly about going to force him to stay again buuuut....
I get wanting to keep contracted players

I guess at what stage do you see it as a sunk cost fallacy?

If it’s just an F1 St. Kilda want then that gets done

 

[FootyLad0]

Mackie said on trade radio that after the offer he hadn't even heard from the Saints.

He had to call SOS a few days later and SOS told him it was unlikely they'd be trading him.

Huh? He said he had Pick 19 on the table and Saints said no, that does not mean it was radio silence.
He himself said he had been having talks with SOS throughout but that the offer was unlikely, not that the trade is dead.

Otherwise he wouldn't have said they are exploring ways to make it happen and that they want to bring in Rowan....the second part would contradict the first part but it doesn't because the talks are still ongoing?

Damo Barrett said yesterday afternoon talks would go well into next week, Twomey said Marshall is now desperate to get to Geeong.
People ran with Edmund's comment that it was dead which then was refuted by Mackie saying he had spoken to SOS that very afternoon after Edmund made those comments in the morning.

It's the same as people saying Saints asked for SDK, Mackie said no team has asked him for any player in regards to a trade. I'm not sure where people are getting their info from but it certainly isn't an accurate source.

 

[beside the seaside]

He might have but your list management haven't because if that was the position they would never have engaged in trade talks to begin with instead they are wasting everyone's time meeting over a trade you are saying they have no intention of doing.
I doubt we are that bothered by it but st kildas communication looks very confused and like not all of their people are on the same page.

It's not like you're making out. We'd rather keep him unless we get a deal that's too good to refuse. It's no different to what Carlton are doing with Curnow or Essendon with Merrett. There's nothing confused about it and as much as you say Geelong aren't worried I'm sure you'd love to get him into your side.

 

[FootyLad0]

It's not like you're making out. We'd rather keep him unless we get a deal that's too good to refuse. It's no different to what Carlton are doing with Curnow or Essendon with Merrett. There's nothing confused about it and as much as you say Geelong aren't worried I'm sure you'd love to get him into your side.

I'm positive Geelong want a deal done, that's what Mackie re-iterated yesterday on Trade Radio.

i also don't believe for a second Saints aren't entertaining it.
Nothing of their actions over the past week has suggested they aren't looking at it.

 

[MisterMarcus]

Marshall is clearly a better option than SDK in the ruck you would think?

Marshall for something resembling a fair price, Yes.

Marshall for "the world's best trade in our favour, massive overs, 2 firsts and Holmes" as some lunatic Saints fans are claiming, clearly No.

 

[Falchoon]

Mackie himself said he and SOS have been chatting constantly and Cats are still exploring trades for Rowan.
So for a club that is adamant they aren't trading him they sure aren't following through on those actions by engaging in trade talks every single day?

Are you saying SOS should screen calls from other recruiters during trade week?

 

[Sheepey]

There seems to be little acknowledgement from Cats fans that he's on a front loaded contract with another two years, and like the cliche which is usually rolled out at this time of year, he's genuinely a required player. There's still massive question marks over King's ability to play. Marshall may not be an A grade forward, but he's a good one that'll take a tall defender off Sharman and Owens, who had to play against the first choice backman this year.

We paid overs for Flanders because he was contracted for another two years. Obviously we are going to expect Geelong to do the same if they genuinely want Marshall. So a trade would only occur on our terms.

 

[joop]

He might have but your list management haven't because if that was the position they would never have engaged in trade talks to begin with instead they are wasting everyone's time meeting over a trade you are saying they have no intention of doing.
I doubt we are that bothered by it but st kildas communication looks very confused and like not all of their people are on the same page.

The mental gymnastics to get to this theory is quite impressive I have to admit.

 

[Falchoon]

I'm positive Geelong want a deal done, that's what Mackie re-iterated yesterday on Trade Radio.

i also don't believe for a second Saints aren't entertaining it.
Nothing of their actions over the past week has suggested they aren't looking at it.

Aleer snd Heath sre strong hints though.

We keep hearing you pulled out of Aleer due to cash, with Marshall on the books.

Godfather offers notwithstanding.

 

[BrutThough]

He might have but your list management haven't because if that was the position they would never have engaged in trade talks to begin with instead they are wasting everyone's time meeting over a trade you are saying they have no intention of doing.
I doubt we are that bothered by it but st kildas communication looks very confused and like not all of their people are on the same page.

Of course they are going to listen to what Geelong are offering in case it was a deal too good to refuse. Per the clubs messaging on Monday - 'We will do what is best for St Kilda' - which means listening to what is offered. But your offer isnt good for St Kilda so we stopped negotiations.

It really doesnt seem that confusing since it's common for clubs to do that with contracted players.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Vulnerable down back? lol JFC how I’ve heard it all

Why were you chatting aleer then? Key forward?

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Aleer snd Heath sre strong hints though.

We keep hearing you pulled out of Aleer due to cash, with Marshall on the books.

Godfather offers notwithstanding.

Did you forget to log in to the alt for this one?

 

[CatToTheFuture]

The bits I’ve seen sdk looks pretty lost when his in the ruck he would be a player that could pinch hit from time to time definitely don’t think he could play there full time

This is correct, ruck isn't sdks go. But they have done it before multiple times. I don't think they care

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

Yes, he's better than a healthy Conway.

Appreciate the unbiased insight. Personally, if not for injuries to Conway over the past two years, I don't think we'd even be talking about Marshall to Geelong. I'd suggest it's only injuries that can hold Conway back from playing twice as many games as Marshall does from now until the end of their respective AFL careers.

With rucks, I think you're pretty much always better buying low instead of trading for a ruck in their absolute prime and paying top dollar at the trade table. Always better to roll the dice with a young guy toiling away in the seconds behind an established first choice ruck. You can get the buy-in with the opportunity you can offer: this is their opportunity to make a #1 ruck spot theirs.

I'm actually trying to think of a current top-line ruck in the AFL besides Luke Jackson who didn't arrive at his current club via a mid-range (or lower) draft pick or a bag of chips at the trade table: Gawn, Xerri, Grundy, Cameron, Witts, Meek... how many of them were getting heart pulses racing when they were announced?

 

[iameviljez]

Exactly this, Curnow has 2 Colemans. Marshall is an old, bog average ruckman

He’s better than average, but not so good that they didn’t buy a replacement.

 

[MisterMarcus]

We do not want into this draft. We have happily traded out of it.

a) Your first pick is 50 in this draft. I get "not rating" a particular year, but to completely trade out of it and be left with literally nothing but poor picks is a bit extreme.

b) We could always trade 19 + F2 to a different club for their F1. I imagine teams like Port or Collingwood who have poor picks this year might look at trading back in. If we could get say Collingwood's F1, would you be satisfied they'll fall enough to make it worthwhile for you?

 

[beside the seaside]

a) Your first pick is 50 in this draft. I get "not rating" a particular year, but to completely trade out of it and be left with literally nothing but poor picks is a bit extreme.

b) We could always trade 19 + F2 to a different club for their F1. I imagine teams like Port or Collingwood who have poor picks this year might look at trading back in. If we could get say Collingwood's F1, would you be satisfied they'll fall enough to make it worthwhile for you?

We have an NGA in this draft Fincher so we'll probably pick him up probably rated around 30

 

[Verdun]

a) Your first pick is 50 in this draft. I get "not rating" a particular year, but to completely trade out of it and be left with literally nothing but poor picks is a bit extreme.

b) We could always trade 19 + F2 to a different club for their F1. I imagine teams like Port or Collingwood who have poor picks this year might look at trading back in. If we could get say Collingwood's F1, would you be satisfied they'll fall enough to make it worthwhile for you?

It may be extreme but after being heavily involved in the draft for the last couple of years (Travaglia, Tauru, Hastie, Boxshall - along with Phillipou, NWM, Wilson, and picking up Hall in the mid season draft has given us a strong young group) it has been a clearly articulated plan to actively trade this year and potentially next.

As the President says the Saints aren't here to make friends or bend to peoples opinions and I like it.

Think the Saints would actively look at your point b as an option.

 

[billings2paddy]

Perhaps? Is Marshall better than a healthy Toby Conway? I don't know - but making this trade probably closes the window of Conway (or Mitch Edwards) as our future ruckman. And then having to throw in our first draft pick as well?

I'm 100% fine with walking away.

Conway who?

 

[billings2paddy]

a) Your first pick is 50 in this draft. I get "not rating" a particular year, but to completely trade out of it and be left with literally nothing but poor picks is a bit extreme.

b) We could always trade 19 + F2 to a different club for their F1. I imagine teams like Port or Collingwood who have poor picks this year might look at trading back in. If we could get say Collingwood's F1, would you be satisfied they'll fall enough to make it worthwhile for you?

We have an NGA we are picking up don't forget

 

[Tasmanian saint]

He might have but your list management haven't because if that was the position they would never have engaged in trade talks to begin with instead they are wasting everyone's time meeting over a trade you are saying they have no intention of doing.
I doubt we are that bothered by it but st kildas communication looks very confused and like not all of their people are on the same page.

We have made it pretty clear we don’t really want to trade him but if Geelong were to put a overs offer forward we would consider it , what Geelong has offered is not bad , but you don’t get contracted required players for a fair price, we probably overpaid for Flanders but we decided it was worth it because he would fill a significant need, Geelong will need to make decision as well

a) Your first pick is 50 in this draft. I get "not rating" a particular year, but to completely trade out of it and be left with literally nothing but poor picks is a bit extreme.

b) We could always trade 19 + F2 to a different club for their F1. I imagine teams like Port or Collingwood who have poor picks this year might look at trading back in. If we could get say Collingwood's F1, would you be satisfied they'll fall enough to make it worthwhile for you?

Strange point to make considering you guys were looking to trade your next 3 first round picks

 

[beside the seaside]

I'm positive Geelong want a deal done, that's what Mackie re-iterated yesterday on Trade Radio.

i also don't believe for a second Saints aren't entertaining it.
Nothing of their actions over the past week has suggested they aren't looking at it.

I think a deal will get done but it's not going to be easy and Cats fans saying Geelong don't care either way are off the mark in my opinion.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

a) Your first pick is 50 in this draft. I get "not rating" a particular year, but to completely trade out of it and be left with literally nothing but poor picks is a bit extreme.

b) We could always trade 19 + F2 to a different club for their F1. I imagine teams like Port or Collingwood who have poor picks this year might look at trading back in. If we could get say Collingwood's F1, would you be satisfied they'll fall enough to make it worthwhile for you?

We did it in 2015. I don't think it's the wrong strategy for them necessarily