Recommitted Rowan Marshall [OOC 2027] - Requested Trade to Geelong, didn't get done

[iameviljez]

Marshall is only 15 months older than Curnow, and Geelong decided to only offer the worst pick out of 3 they are now offering for Curnow.

Because Curnow is a better and rarer player.

 

[Wojcinski]

Because Curnow is a better and rarer player.

Exactly this, Curnow has 2 Colemans. Marshall is an old, bog average ruckman

 

[FootyLad0]

He just wants his farm

I mean he grew up on a farm in Portland so literally yes he probably does want a farm closer to his parents and his extended family lol

 

[FootyLad0]

If Geelong were to offer a F1 for Rowan, would that be the crux of the trade just Marshall for F1 straight up? Or would Saints want more? The way it's being talked about in the media (Trade Radio, SEN, Tradies pod) it would be 1 x First Rounder alone and it was a matter of this year (Cats) or next year's pick (Saints)

I can see a World where F1 is given, seeing that you can trade multiple firsts into the future now it's not as restrictive.
Mackie said on TR yesterday that they are happy to go to the draft because Stephen Wells and his team can nail picks from whatever position they are picking but they were still exploring how to get Marshall deal done and they want to bring Rowan in.

I can see Mackie and the Cats being perfectly happy to take a pick in the 20's this year to the Draft and go forward by giving their 2026 First.
I imagine anything extra added onto that by SOS and Co that isn't a F3 or less added to the future first would make Cats walk as when it was reported days ago they were haggling over this year's first and next year's first.

Twomey and Beveridge said yesterday on Gettable that Marshall is getting desperate to get to the Cats.
Would be very weird if he feels that strongly about going to force him to stay again buuuut....
I get wanting to keep contracted players

I guess at what stage do you see it as a sunk cost fallacy?

 

[BrutThough]

Well youre either looking for a fair deal or you're looking to keep him because Geelong wont do a trade for any other type of deal.

From all reports, we are looking to keep him which is why we wont accept what Geelong deem a fair deal. If we are going to trade a contracted player who has been on a front ended deal, St Kilda need to be coming out ahead.

It needs to be overs or he stays.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

TThe reality is that you wanted to trade three first round draft picks for Curnow and now turn around after being rejected and try to offer the same pittance you did the first time. If I were Marshall I would feel deflated that the Cats don't rate me that highly and might just stay at the Saints.

But what do I know, I'm a lowly Saints supporter.

You do understand the massive problem with that logic don't you?

 

[Pure_Ownage]

From all reports, we are looking to keep him which is why we wont accept what Geelong deem a fair deal. If we are going to trade a contracted player who has been on a front ended deal, St Kilda need to be coming out ahead.

It needs to be overs or he stays.

I have no problem if thats their position. But why not say so months ago instead of deciding this at the last minute? They have known for up to 12 months Marshall was going to request this and they would have been fully aware of what Geelongs ballpark offer would be (you only need to look at previous Geelong trades to know it). So why not simply tell both him and Geelong months ago that theres no point entertaining a trade because they are keeping him?
Stuff like this and the aleer deal makes it look like St kilda have no idea how to communicate properly.

Whatever you think of geelongs trading its pretty clear they communicate.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Why? He's exactly what you need, he's contracted, surely you have to pay overs?

No we dont have to do anything and its fairly obvious what we will and wont do.
Im personally not completely against paying overs but its not something Mackie will do and especially not for a ruck.

 

[BrutThough]

I have no problem if thats their position. But why not say so months ago instead of deciding this at the last minute? They have known for up to 12 months Marshall was going to request this and they would have been fully aware of what Geelongs ballpark offer would be (you only need to look at previous Geelong trades to know it). So why not simply tell both him and Geelong months ago that theres no point entertaining a trade because they are keeping him?
Stuff like this and the aleer deal makes it look like St kilda have no idea how to communicate properly.

Whatever you think of geelongs trading its pretty clear they communicate.

Ross Lyon made it very clear on TV a couple of months ago what the clubs position on trading contracted players is. This was also reportedly re-communicated with Marshall in his exist meeting.

If Geelong or Marshall's management didnt take those comments seriously, thats on them.

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

But not the entire year
The ruck worked with blicavs
GF was always going to be difficult without stewart and Stanley in the ruck but what choice did you have?
Despite Brisbane and Hawks getting better Geelong will be thereabouts again

I wouldn't expect people to remember, but at the start of the year, we were rolling with de Koning as our ruckman, with support from Blicavs and Stanley as depth. Due to injuries, Stanley got an opportunity to come back into the side and was solid enough that he never really went out until he got injured himself on the eve of finals. Which meant that our hand was 'forced' into using the de Koning/Blicavs combo that it looked like was our Plan A for the ruck heading into the season anyway.

Long story short (and sorry for the double negative): I'm certainly not convinced that Sam de Koning's future isn't as a ruck. And I'm equally not convinced that ruck isn't his best position.

 

[Tasmanian saint]

Pretty sad when people care more about Geelong failing than they do their own team succeeding.
Rowan seems to think Geelong is nice since he’s asked twice now to go there.

Tall Poppy rearing it’s ugly head…

How’s it tall poppy , we are trying to push up and become a contender over coming seasons, Geelong will be a team that will be contending is it that bad to not want to help a opponent fill one of there biggest needs

 

[FootyLad0]

How’s it tall poppy , we are trying to push up and become a contender over coming seasons, Geelong will be a team that will be contending is it that bad to not want to help a opponent fill one of there biggest needs

What you just said does not relate to what the original comment said lol

 

[Hamingja]

I wouldn't expect people to remember, but at the start of the year, we were rolling with de Koning as our ruckman, with support from Blicavs and Stanley as depth. Due to injuries, Stanley got an opportunity to come back into the side and was solid enough that he never really went out until he got injured himself on the eve of finals. Which meant that our hand was 'forced' into using the de Koning/Blicavs combo that it looked like was our Plan A for the ruck heading into the season anyway.

Long story short (and sorry for the double negative): I'm certainly not convinced that Sam de Koning's future isn't as a ruck. And I'm equally not convinced that ruck isn't his best position.

If Kolodjashnij is fit next year, SDK rucking is the easiest way to fit everyone in the team. I had SDK as #1 ruck in my "best 23" team last pre season for that reason. Kolo got injured, Stanley came back in and did ok and that was that for last year. Not convinced SDK overly likes guys jumping into him though, which is only going to increase with ball ups instead of bounces as the opposition ruck knows exactly where the ball is going to go.

 

[bird_man]

If Kolodjashnij is fit next year, SDK rucking is the easiest way to fit everyone in the team. I had SDK as #1 ruck in my "best 23" team last pre season for that reason. Kolo got injured, Stanley came back in and did ok and that was that for last year. Not convinced SDK overly likes guys jumping into him though, which is only going to increase with ball ups instead of bounces as the opposition ruck knows exactly where the ball is going to go.

Marshall is clearly a better option than SDK in the ruck you would think?

 

[FootyLad0]

Happy to help out for your superstar list manager if he’s a bit confused.

“Worlds best trade or Marshall stays”. We aren’t going to be making a counter offer to the world’s piddliest opening gambit.

When your idea of a trade is
"Holmes and 3 Firsts"

i don't think you should be adding your opinions on what any deal should look like LOL

 

[Hamingja]

Marshall is clearly a better option than SDK in the ruck you would think?

Sure but at this point it appears Marshall is not available for a realistic price?

 

[FootyLad0]

Marshall is clearly a better option than SDK in the ruck you would think?

He is but as Scotty has shown for the last 15 years he would rather play a guy who plays multiple positions and can also ruck (Blicavs/SDK) but is excellent at covering ground over a plodding ruckman who can't do more than hitouts.

Not saying that's Marshall (who can move and cover ground) just saying how Scotty gameplans, we've had 15 years of it to see very clearly what his preferences are.

I imagine bringing Marshall in would be the first decent/good ruckman the Cats have had in that position since Ottens.
I for one am keen to do it but other Cats fans may be more aligned to different thinking.

 

[bird_man]

Sure but at this point it appears Marshall is not available for a realistic price?

Might as well swap him for SDK if you are forcing him to play in the ruck. We might even give you a little something something to go with it.

 

[joydivision22]

When your idea of a trade is
"Holmes and 3 Firsts"

i don't think you should be adding your opinions on what any deal should look like LOL

Turns out everything i said was correct though.

 

[FootyLad0]

Turns out everything i said was correct though.

Wait? When was this offered for Marshall? Or any Cats player for that matter?

 

[Tasmanian saint]

If Kolodjashnij is fit next year, SDK rucking is the easiest way to fit everyone in the team. I had SDK as #1 ruck in my "best 23" team last pre season for that reason. Kolo got injured, Stanley came back in and did ok and that was that for last year. Not convinced SDK overly likes guys jumping into him though, which is only going to increase with ball ups instead of bounces as the opposition ruck knows exactly where the ball is going to go.

If Kolodjashnij is fit next year, SDK rucking is the easiest way to fit everyone in the team. I had SDK as #1 ruck in my "best 23" team last pre season for that reason. Kolo got injured, Stanley came back in and did ok and that was that for last year. Not convinced SDK overly likes guys jumping into him though, which is only going to increase with ball ups instead of bounces as the opposition ruck knows exactly where the ball is going to go.

The bits I’ve seen sdk looks pretty lost when his in the ruck he would be a player that could pinch hit from time to time definitely don’t think he could play there full time

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

Marshall is clearly a better option than SDK in the ruck you would think?

Perhaps? Is Marshall better than a healthy Toby Conway? I don't know - but making this trade probably closes the window of Conway (or Mitch Edwards) as our future ruckman. And then having to throw in our first draft pick as well?

I'm 100% fine with walking away.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Ross Lyon made it very clear on TV a couple of months ago what the clubs position on trading contracted players is. This was also reportedly re-communicated with Marshall in his exist meeting.

If Geelong or Marshall's management didnt take those comments seriously, thats on them.

He might have but your list management haven't because if that was the position they would never have engaged in trade talks to begin with instead they are wasting everyone's time meeting over a trade you are saying they have no intention of doing.
I doubt we are that bothered by it but st kildas communication looks very confused and like not all of their people are on the same page.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

The bits I’ve seen sdk looks pretty lost when his in the ruck he would be a player that could pinch hit from time to time definitely don’t think he could play there full time

Personally I agree with you but Scott has been adamant sdk can be a front line ruck and he favours the ruck by committee approach. Which is one reason why a ruck would be the last player type Geelong would pay overs for (i Personally have a different view but its pretty clear this is geelongs view and SOS would have to be living in a cave other to notice it).

 

[FootyLad0]

If Geelong or Marshall's management didnt take those comments seriously, thats on them.

Mackie himself said he and SOS have been chatting constantly and Cats are still exploring trades for Rowan.
So for a club that is adamant they aren't trading him they sure aren't following through on those actions by engaging in trade talks every single day?