Recommitted Rowan Marshall [OOC 2027] - Requested Trade to Geelong, didn't get done

[Falchoon]

Tbh i dont buy that argument. You weren't on trading the pick (at least not last night) bc no sensible club is trading a 2026 1st for a 2025 one (as most dont rate this draft) and no one would swap a 2026 1st for 2027 yet (especially until we have more certainty re tassie). And you weren't bringing in any more players. So the pick you would have held until at least draft night and probably til next year. So I cant see why getting it at 7.28pm was an issue.
I think Ross just wanted to keep marshall which is totally his right.

"(at least not last night)"

That's my whole point, of course you don't buy the argument if you miss the point entirely.

If that offer comes early in the trade period it would be considered in the light of what we may or not be able to achieve with it. I don't deal in absolutes I deal in percentages, if that post last minute offer comes in Wednesday it gets considered rather than instantly dismissed. It may still be dismissed, but it goes into the mix.

Absolutely we were done before that offer laaaaate last night, I won't say it was too little, but it was waaay too late and that is what Mackie obviously misread.

 

[iameviljez]

Cox would have been better than Stanley.

I don’t think the big fella has ever been a full time ruckman before?

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

It’s not a backup plan taking players from other parts of the ground were they are actually needed, a back up plan would have been getting a pretty competent young ruckman in max heath for peanuts like Melbourne did , he should have come days ago with Geelongs absolute best offer which would have gave them time to find someone else instead of being arrogant thinking he would just get a deal done on the deadline

We smashed Brisbane and Hawthorn in the earlier weeks of the finals with those players taken "from parts of the ground where they are actually needed".

If we were going to go after someone like Heath, we would have bid farewell to Stanley. There's our break glass in case of emergency seasoned ruck, hopefully only needed for half a dozen games or less in 2026.

The spot is Conway's if he gets his body right. Time and again, that scenario has done wonders for a young ruckman's confidence. See Tristan Xerri and Max Gawn and Darcy Cameron and Lloyd Meek and Jarrod Witts who got mere glimpses of AFL exposure until they were well into their mid-20s and then flourished.

This was more or less precisely our plan going into 2025 and we were up to plan C by Mother's Day. It was such a disaster that we finished in second place and going into the third quarter of the grand final level on the scoreboard.

I'm more than comfortable with the Marshall trade falling through, because I doubt we ever would have found out for certain what we have with Conway (after all this patience with him) if it had.

 

[Falchoon]

Maybe, but I suspect that the deal was dead in the water from about the same point that they went back on Aleer.

It feels like there was just a big readjustment at StKilda - that they were suddenly happy with what they had, minus Steele.

absolutely

The trade price required went up as the trade period went on, beyond a price that Geelong would pay.

Personally I don't think they were ever getting to the initial price required, the only chance was if it unlocked something else.

I may have mentioned that 100+ pages ago.

 

[iameviljez]

absolutely

The trade price required went up as the trade period went on, beyond a price that Geelong would pay.

Personally I don't think they were ever getting to the initial price required, the only chance was if it unlocked something else.

I may have mentioned that 100+ pages ago.

So much posturing and bluster in trade week. Turns out this is the one year where everyone meant it

It does help that this year all the big names looking to switch were in contract

 

[beside the seaside]

TDK and Marshall can be a really dangerous combination. Marshall is a utility-type ruckman, if used effectively he could be an absolute asset wherever he plays. I can see this combination causing major headaches for opposition teams. For that reason it's no surprise we wanted massive overs to lose Marshall considering we're clearly pushing for finals next year.

 

[Chronz]

Good to see clubs playing hardball back at Geelong. They've been getting away with so many unfair trades over the years.

 

[Falchoon]

TDK and Marshall can be a really dangerous combination. Marshall is a utility-type ruckman, if used effectively he could be an absolute asset wherever he plays. I can see this combination causing major headaches for opposition teams. For that reason it's no surprise we wanted massive overs to lose Marshall considering we're clearly pushing for finals next year.

The measure of success in keeping Marshall is 6-8 non intercept marks a week, forward of centre (or at least outside of D50).

 

[Tasmanian saint]

After Heath went, there wasn’t really another good AFL standard option.

Well considering he only got traded for a forth round pick why wouldn’t you have just signed heath anyway as well as trying to get Marshall

 

[DanA]

TDK and Marshall can be a really dangerous combination. Marshall is a utility-type ruckman, if used effectively he could be an absolute asset wherever he plays. I can see this combination causing major headaches for opposition teams. For that reason it's no surprise we wanted massive overs to lose Marshall considering we're clearly pushing for finals next year.

It could be every bit as good as Grundy and Gawn.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

"(at least not last night)"

That's my whole point, of course you don't buy the argument if you miss the point entirely.

If that offer comes early in the trade period it would be considered in the light of what we may or not be able to achieve with it. I don't deal in absolutes I deal in percentages, if that post last minute offer comes in Wednesday it gets considered rather than instantly dismissed. It may still be dismissed, but it goes into the mix.

Absolutely we were done before that offer laaaaate last night, I won't say it was too little, but it was waaay too late and that is what Mackie obviously misread.

But what would you have done with it even if you got it Friday. You didnt want to trade into this draft you wanted out (so you weren't trading 2026 for 2025). You weren't trading it for 2027 and there weren't any player trades it would have been relevant for. So you would have held it as i said. Therefore what's the difference? The argument that it was too late doesnt make sense (no offence) it only makes sense if there was a deal you needed it for within those last couple of days and you didnt.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Well considering he only got traded for a forth round pick why wouldn’t you have just signed heath anyway as well as trying to get Marshall

We didnt rate him.

 

[DanA]

I don’t know what’s been better actually keeping Marshall or the reaction of Geelong people to missing out!

I was certainly in favour of a deal but I don’t think it’s the deal we “had” to make.

He was the cherry on top of something that’s pretty nice already. I expect Geelong will be in contention again next season.

 

[beside the seaside]

It could be every bit as good as Grundy and Gawn.

I reckon Marshall is a different type to Grundy. Not as good a ruck but more mobile.

 

[iameviljez]

Well considering he only got traded for a forth round pick why wouldn’t you have just signed heath anyway as well as trying to get Marshall

Probably because, early doors, we still thought Marshall was a goer.

Plus Heath isn’t exactly AFL finals ready

 

[Falchoon]

But what would you have done with it even if you got it Friday. You didnt want to trade into this draft you wanted out (so you weren't trading 2026 for 2025). You weren't trading it for 2027 and there weren't any player trades it would have been relevant for. So you would have held it as i said. Therefore what's the difference? The argument that it was too late doesnt make sense (no offence) it only makes sense if there was a deal you needed it for within those last couple of days and you didnt.

see you and your second round offer next year

 

[Pure_Ownage]

see you and your second round offer next year

I doubt it on either count.

 

[VDS66]

Looks like old mate Mackie went in swinging his manhood like John Holmes 2.0 ... and came out looking like Peewee Herman after a mid-winter swim in Corio Bay.

 

[Ross]

Looks like old mate Mackie went in swinging his manhood like John Holmes 2.0 ... and came out looking like Peewee Herman after a mid-winter swim in Corio Bay.

In all seriousness, what's the point of a post like this? You're making up a scenario that never happened so that you can get a snide quip in purely to rile other people up. Mackie said on day one he wasn't confident that this trade would happen because Marshall was contracted but since Marshall wanted to move Geelong would engage, the Saints always said they weren't going to trade Marshall though and that's exactly how it panned out. Geelong made reasonable offers from their perspective, but from the Saints' side those offers understandably weren't good enough and so they came to an impasse. Shit happens and it's all fine, neither side did anything wrong here. Hopefully this trade period might teach players that taking the longer term deals isn't always their best option.

 

[Mr Meow]

In all seriousness, what's the point of a post like this? You're making up a scenario that never happened so that you can get a snide quip in purely to rile other people up. Mackie said on day one he wasn't confident that this trade would happen because Marshall was contracted but since Marshall wanted to move Geelong would engage, the Saints always said they weren't going to trade Marshall though and that's exactly how it panned out. Geelong made reasonable offers from their perspective, but from the Saints' side those offers understandably weren't good enough and so they came to an impasse. Shit happens and it's all fine, neither side did anything wrong here. Hopefully this trade period might teach players that taking the longer term deals isn't always their best option.

St Kilda supporters:

"nIcE mElt m8!! Mack just destroyed your club!"

 

[Count_Zero]

St Kilda supporters:

"nIcE mElt m8!! Mack just destroyed your club!"

Sounds about right, now do Geelong supporters

 

[Mr Meow]

Sounds about right, now do Geelong supporters

"fOcUs oN yoUr oWn rUCk dIvIsIon! The 2025 grand finalists will be fine!"

 

[iameviljez]

see you and your second round offer next year

Leek Aleer would love it.

 

[Count_Zero]

"fOcUs oN yoUr oWn rUCk dIvIsIon! The 2025 grand finalists will be fine!"

I think you missed some stuff about MackAttack but I think you hit the nail on the head with both supporter groups.

 

[iameviljez]

I think you missed some stuff about MackAttack but I think you hit the nail on the head with both supporter groups.

Or, certainly, at least the loudest morons in each. Every club has 'em.