Recommitted Rowan Marshall [OOC 2027] - Requested Trade to Geelong, didn't get done

[eastfreo75]

The Marshall was never going to happen.

Saints want to win now. Marshall contract is front loaded and doesn't make sense trading him on low money. Trade picks that Geelong had were 20+ picks and the Cats never trade players who are clear best 23 players.

Good on the Saints and Cats lose nothing.

 

[Mr Meow]

If you were any chance you had to forget the last minute stunt and negotiate in good faith from the get go.

As much as I'd like to pretend I was in the negotiators minds and knew exactly what offer needed to be made when, I know that would only make me look silly. I'm fine with you presenting the final report though. Good stuff.

 

[VDS66]

Marshall was a required player and Geelong don't pay massive overs. It appears that you're the one who is reading this wrong.

Marshall was a required player.

Geelong weren't prepared to pay the required rate to get him.

Geelong went in with their premeditated plan of attack with the sole aim of getting the player without paying overs.

Geelong failed to land its player. Simple.

Everything else is noise. This whole "Saints tried to bend us over, but we weren't having it because we don't pay overs" narrative is pure 100% cope.

You chased him, you failed.

 

[Mr Meow]

Marshall was a required player.

Geelong weren't prepared to pay the required rate to get him.

Geelong went in with their premeditated plan of attack with the sole aim of getting the player without paying overs.

Geelong failed to land its player. Simple.

Everything else is noise. This whole "Saints tried to bend us over, but we weren't having it because we don't pay overs" narrative is pure 100% cope.

You chased him, you failed.

Marshall was required so St Kilda kept him. It's interesting that there is carry on that goes above that.

 

[Tasmanian saint]

Marshall was a required player and Geelong don't pay massive overs. It appears that you're the one who is reading this wrong.

well that didn’t work for Marshall or curnow and it won’t work for butters either once port match a offer, so it’s looking like the days of Geelong getting people on the cheap might be coming to a end I think Mackie might have to look at how he does things moving forward

 

[Mr Meow]

well that didn’t work for Marshall or curnow and it won’t work for butters either once port match a offer, so it’s looking like the days of Geelong getting people on the cheap might be coming to a end I think Mackie might have to look at how he does things moving forward

Marshall had this thing called a contract. It was St Kilda's right to demand a king's ransom for a required player, and it was in no way controversial for Geelong to politely decline giving it.

Sydney could offer more for Curnow and he was a bigger need for them. Pick 11 and a prolific goal kicking medium were crucial components that made Carlton accept.

As for free agent Butters, it'll depend who he nominates. That's a different ball game to contracted players.

The bitching about Mackie has been hilarious but the fact it is still going on is a bit odd.

 

[jumperfan]

how are st kilda fans so confident marshall is on a back ended deal?

they were saying the same thing about steele and turns out they have to pay part of his wage as a salary dump....

It fits in with everything else. We had to pump up some contracts last year to meet the salary cap floor and he was mentioned as one of them. It also partly explains why we were so resistant to trade him - why let him go to Geelong if we can keep him on a favourable deal for us?

 

[Sully111]

Marshall had this thing called a contract. It was St Kilda's right to demand a king's ransom for a required player, and it was in no way controversial for Geelong to politely decline giving it.

Sydney could offer more for Curnow and he was a bigger need for them. Pick 11 and a prolific goal kicking medium were crucial components that made Carlton accept.

As for free agent Butters, it'll depend who he nominates. That's a different ball game to contracted players.

The bitching about Mackie has been hilarious but the fact it is still going on is a bit odd.

Geelong didn't get serious regarding Marshall til right at the death... then upped their offer again with a few minutes to go. It's clearly a tactic that has worked in the past but was never going to work this time.

Mackie went about the trade the wrong way.

I'm not saying he could definitely have gotten him, but to be any chance he needed to use a different approach.

That's ok. List managers aren't going to nail it every time. I'm sure he'll learn from it.

 

[Burtyl78]

Geelong didn't get serious regarding Marshall til right at the death... then upped their offer again with a few minutes to go. It's clearly a tactic that has worked in the past but was never going to work this time.

Mackie went about the trade the wrong way.

I'm not saying he could definitely have gotten him, but to be any chance he needed to use a different approach.

That's ok. List managers aren't going to nail it every time. I'm sure he'll learn from it.

St kilda need to learn from Geelong, not the other way around

 

[Pure_Ownage]

The Marshall was never going to happen.

Saints want to win now. Marshall contract is front loaded and doesn't make sense trading him on low money. Trade picks that Geelong had were 20+ picks and the Cats never trade players who are clear best 23 players.

Good on the Saints and Cats lose nothing.

Pretty much this.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Geelong didn't get serious regarding Marshall til right at the death... then upped their offer again with a few minutes to go. It's clearly a tactic that has worked in the past but was never going to work this time.

Mackie went about the trade the wrong way.

I'm not saying he could definitely have gotten him, but to be any chance he needed to use a different approach.

That's ok. List managers aren't going to nail it every time. I'm sure he'll learn from it.

Ross was pretty clear that he wanted 2 rucks and bar sdk being offered (which was never going to happen) the trade never really had legs. I dont think it would have mattered when the offers were made.

 

[VDS66]

Marshall was required so St Kilda kept him. It's interesting that there is carry on that goes above that.

If that's the case, and you were never going to pay overs, why did you pursue him? Wasted everyone's time.

You guys gave us every excuse under the sun as to why he would be traded... can't play forward; 2 rucks won't work; he'll end up in the VFL etc etc. We never pay overs blah blah blah.

Now it's "oh we knew he was never going to be traded", nothing to see here.

Hilarious. Have yet to see a cat fan admit that they botched it. This could have been resolved on day one, once you had our asking price. Just like we did with Flanders. If everybody knew he was never going to be traded, then why bother?

Mackie tried to play hardball and failed. He knew he would have to pay overs to turn our head, but he didn't. Stuck to his guns and here we are. Bottom line: You missed out on an important part of your next tilt. Keeping next year's 1st won't fix the issue.

Marshall was gettable for the right price.

Agree, let's move on.

 

[VDS66]

St kilda need to learn from Geelong, not the other way around

It would appear that we have. That's why you don't have Marshall.

 

[Mr Meow]

If that's the case, and you were never going to pay overs, why did you pursue him? Wasted everyone's time.

You guys gave us every excuse under the sun as to why he would be traded... can't play forward; 2 rucks won't work; he'll end up in the VFL etc etc. We never pay overs blah blah blah.

Now it's "oh we knew he was never going to be traded", nothing to see here.

Hilarious. Have yet to see a cat fan admit that they botched it. This could have been resolved on day one, once you had our asking price. Just like we did with Flanders. If everybody knew he was never going to be traded, then why bother?

Mackie tried to play hardball and failed. He knew he would have to pay overs to turn our head, but he didn't. Stuck to his guns and here we are. Bottom line: You missed out on an important part of your next tilt. Keeping next year's 1st won't fix the issue.

Marshall was gettable for the right price.

Agree, let's move on.

Why does it matter? Everyone has a price they will pay or accept for a player. Value wasn't agreed and so St Kilda get to keep their required player, which was always their right. The hysterical narrative about Mackie lowballing and trying the dark arts, then hurting his club because of it, is quite frankly childish and petty.

There's been complete acceptance by Geelong supporters that St Kilda could set whatever price they liked for a contracted player. There's been a lack of acceptance that Geelong could make their offer and then move on if value wasn't agreed. Wells is always happy to use our best pick in the draft if it comes down to it.

I think eventually people will come to terms with Geelong not offering massive overs for a 30 year old. We're all fairly sensible folk who know how to use logic.

 

[Warhorse]

If that's the case, and you were never going to pay overs, why did you pursue him? Wasted everyone's time.

You guys gave us every excuse under the sun as to why he would be traded... can't play forward; 2 rucks won't work; he'll end up in the VFL etc etc. We never pay overs blah blah blah.

Now it's "oh we knew he was never going to be traded", nothing to see here.

Hilarious. Have yet to see a cat fan admit that they botched it. This could have been resolved on day one, once you had our asking price. Just like we did with Flanders. If everybody knew he was never going to be traded, then why bother?

Mackie tried to play hardball and failed. He knew he would have to pay overs to turn our head, but he didn't. Stuck to his guns and here we are. Bottom line: You missed out on an important part of your next tilt. Keeping next year's 1st won't fix the issue.

Marshall was gettable for the right price.

Agree, let's move on.

Originally St Kilda wanted a 1st and a 2nd so they could grab Ryan and Aleer. That changed when they walked from Aleer and they started demanding 2 first round picks or Sam Dekoning. It was never getting done at that asking price

And Ross loves Marshall and was the main driving force behind keeping him.

 

[Verdun]

Originally St Kilda wanted a 1st and a 2nd so they could grab Ryan and Aleer. That changed when they walked from Aleer and they started demanding 2 first round picks or Sam Dekoning. It was never getting done at that asking price

And Ross loves Marshall and was the main driving force behind keeping him.

And you know this how?

 

[JimmyR20]

St kilda need to learn from Geelong, not the other way around

Almost everyone can teach you something, no matter how superior you may be.

 

[Broski]

Marshall was a required player and Geelong don't pay massive overs. It appears that you're the one who is reading this wrong.

Leaving out the fact that you worked on Marshall for two years, got him to nominate your club and then failed massively to get the deal done. Poor form from the Cats. Knew the only way the deal would get done is if they paid overs... and didn't.

The Saints are not a charity and owe the Cats absolutely nothing.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Geelong just should have paid massive overs. Marshall was too big a fish at too important of a time to just let him walk away. Ask St Kilda what they wanted and just give it.

Marshall to me is the difference between top 4 and 5-8 for them and was just a very important piece to get. They should have just went for it

 

[Drunkcat]

Who Conway you might get 10 games out of him next year

Not Conway Edwards.

 

[Tasmanian saint]

Not Conway Edwards.

From what I’ve heard Edward’s is miles off was struggling at vfl level last season

 

[SainterinSydney]

There is a big Yank the Cats could grab

 

[VDS66]

There is a big Yank the Cats could grab

Yep. They will grab him, win the flag and big Mase wins the Normie.

We've seen this movie before.

 

[stfan]

Originally St Kilda wanted a 1st and a 2nd so they could grab Ryan and Aleer.

In what fantasy world would a 1st ever have been used for Aleer or Ryan?

And the 1st that was of interest was the 2026 1st so that it could be potentially bundled with St Kilda's 2026 1st for a top end trade next year. There is still salary cap space for more acquisitions in 2026.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

If that's the case, and you were never going to pay overs, why did you pursue him? Wasted everyone's time.

You guys gave us every excuse under the sun as to why he would be traded... can't play forward; 2 rucks won't work; he'll end up in the VFL etc etc. We never pay overs blah blah blah.

Now it's "oh we knew he was never going to be traded", nothing to see here.

Hilarious. Have yet to see a cat fan admit that they botched it. This could have been resolved on day one, once you had our asking price. Just like we did with Flanders. If everybody knew he was never going to be traded, then why bother?

Mackie tried to play hardball and failed. He knew he would have to pay overs to turn our head, but he didn't. Stuck to his guns and here we are. Bottom line: You missed out on an important part of your next tilt. Keeping next year's 1st won't fix the issue.

Marshall was gettable for the right price.

Agree, let's move on.

No one on geelongs side botched it. Botched it would have only happened if we did something silly like traded sdk for him. That would have made our next tilt worse than anything we would or wouldn't have done with said first rounder.

Both teams did was best for them and achieved their desired objective. End of story.