Rumour File #4.

[HBF]

the bloke next to him at the TAB?

Bit rough there Guns.
Ox is very much an anti-gambling campaigner, and doesn't miss a chance to spruik this any chance he gets on talkback radio.

 

[blue gunslinger]

yeah I know his history and I hope he has beaten it. It is a slow Sunday morning. Just trying to liven things up

 

[Crippa#9]

the bloke next to him at the TAB?

Sh*thouse comment there Guns...

 

[HBF]

yeah I know his history and I hope he has beaten it. It is a slow Sunday morning. Just trying to liven things up

Judging by his comments recently, I suspect he has all but beaten it. He recalled not that long ago he had a speaking function to attend at Crown Casino. When he walked through he place, he said the felt ill just looking at all of the gambling activities available to the average punter.

 

[ESKIE]

Judging by his comments recently, I suspect he has all but beaten it. He recalled not that long ago he had a speaking function to attend at Crown Casino. When he walked through he place, he said the felt ill just looking at all of the gambling activities available to the average punter.

yeh he does a lot with younger players coming through the system does talks about gambling etc...does good work now, he doesn;t take himself too seriously and can quite openly have a joke about it...good on him for being open and honest about it.

 

[mediumsizered]

Judging by his comments recently, I suspect he has all but beaten it. He recalled not that long ago he had a speaking function to attend at Crown Casino. When he walked through he place, he said the felt ill just looking at all of the gambling activities available to the average punter.

He would have some terrible memories of Crown Casino. He lost a lot of money in there.

 

[lionel_luthor]

Gambling addiction is like alcoholism and drug addiction, it's so hard to shrug off and the danger of relapse is constant.

Sheedy has said he signed 2 players on friday, I'd say they are Scully and Rhys Palmer

 

[Sin City]

Gambling addiction is like alcoholism and drug addiction, it's so hard to shrug off and the danger of relapse is constant.

Sheedy has said he signed 2 players on friday, I'd say they are Scully and Rhys Palmer

Can they even sign at this time of year? Sheedy is just playing games.

 

[Malifice]

Can they even sign at this time of year? Sheedy is just playing games.

According to the common law of contract (and commercial reality), yes. Dont let AFL rules tell you otherwise.

The new club needs to know in advance who is 'in' so they can plan targets for the end of year, and get the books, money and list right.

Be intresting if they got a commitment from a player who then changed his mind though.

 

[happydude]

i think it is good for melb if scully goes.
he is a good player but missed alot this year with his knee, a knee that troubled him as a junior and obviously isnt getting much better.

it is a serious problem he is having and if melb get 2 first rounders for him there is a chance neither of them will be better than scully but an high chance they could both out play him and be solid contributes to their team.

its not all doom and gloom and IMO they would prefer to sign him to gws for some return than have his knee ruin his career

 

[RiCHii]

i think it is good for melb if scully goes.
he is a good player but missed alot this year with his knee, a knee that troubled him as a junior and obviously isnt getting much better.

it is a serious problem he is having and if melb get 2 first rounders for him there is a chance neither of them will be better than scully but an high chance they could both out play him and be solid contributes to their team.

its not all doom and gloom and IMO they would prefer to sign him to gws for some return than have his knee ruin his career

I think you will find that Melbourne will not get 2 first round picks for him. Although we all look at him and say he will be a good player, thats basing it purely on potential and under the AFL band ruling what Melbourne get will be based on his salary offered and his age.

 

[SpaceCow]

I think you will find that Melbourne will not get 2 first round picks for him. Although we all look at him and say he will be a good player, thats basing it purely on potential and under the AFL band ruling what Melbourne get will be based on his salary offered and his age.

Considering he was drafted so recently it will also take into account his draft number. If he goes Melbourne will be compensated okayish for it.

 

[Malifice]

Considering he was drafted so recently it will also take into account his draft number. If he goes Melbourne will be compensated okayish for it.

They'll get a single first round pick that they wont be able to use till next year lest it come at around pick 30-ish.

Even then (assuming the Dees finish around 8th - 9th for the next 5 years, itll be pick 12 or something.

Its a crime.

Imagine if we lost Murphy 2 years after drafting him for such a meagre return?

 

[SpaceCow]

They might also get a supplementary pick like an end of second round pick.

The AFL won't be able to turn back to Melbourne and say a number 1 pick from two years ago is worth that first round compensation pick (which they full know will be around Pick 10-12) only. Surely not?

Obviously Scully going will not be beneficial to Melbourne but I don't think the AFL will allow them to be reamed. I think so at least...


Then again they might only go with the single pick, either way it'll be interesting to watch. Something like this is probably a rarity, so let's see how the AFL go about it. They should get more than that one pick.

 

[Malifice]

They might also get a supplementary pick like an end of second round pick.

The AFL won't be able to turn back to Melbourne and say a number 1 pick from two years ago is worth that first round compensation pick (which they full know will be around Pick 10-12) only. Surely not?

Obviously Scully going will not be beneficial to Melbourne but I don't think the AFL will allow them to be reamed. I think so at least...

Then again they might only go with the single pick, either way it'll be interesting to watch. Something like this is probably a rarity, so let's see how the AFL go about it. They should get more than that one pick.

The compensation pick is assessed around:

• the player’s age (greater weighting for younger players),
• club contract ranking (greater weighting for club key and 'marquee' players),
• on field performance (greater weighting for strong club best and fairest performance) and
• draft position if less than four years experience.

This ranking system determines if a club is eligible for a compensatory pick in one of five spots - first round pick, mid first round pick, end of first round pick, second round pick, end of second round pick or third round pick.

For the 26 year old Ablett (Dual premiership player 2007, 2009, Brownlow Medal: 2009, Leigh Matthews Trophy: 2007, 2008, 2009, All-Australian: 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010 (vice-captain), AFL Coaches Association Player of the Year: 2007, 2008, 2009, Geelong B&F: 2007, 2009, Geelong F.C. Hall of Fame: 2009 induction, Geelong F.C. Leading Club Goalkicker award: 2006, etc), the Cats got two compensation selections:

Geelong Cats - Round One selection.
The selection for Gary Ablett may be activated by the Geelong Cats after its round one selection in any one of the 2012, 2013 or 2014 NAB AFL Draft Selection Meetings. The selection will be immediately placed behind the Round One selection of the Geelong Cats in that particular season. (Ie, should the Cats earn the right for selection 12, the compensation selection would be number 13, if the Cats earn the right for selection four, the compensation selection would be number five etc.)

Should the Geelong Cats wish to activate the selection in either the 2010 or 2011 NAB AFL Draft, during the two expansion-period Drafts, the selection would be placed at the end of Round One.

Geelong Cats – Mid-Round One selection.
The selection for Gary Ablett may be activated by the Geelong Cats at the middle of round one, after the round one selections for those clubs that have missed qualification for the finals in that year and before the round one selections of those clubs that have qualified for the finals in that year, in any one of the 2012, 2013 or 2014 NAB AFL Draft Selection Meetings.
Should the Geelong Cats wish to activate the selection in either the 2010 or 2011 NAB AFL Draft, during the two expansion-period Drafts, the selection would be placed at the end of Round One.

http://www.3aw.com.au/blogs/3aw-football-blog/afls-compensation-for-geelong/20100929-15x7e.html

Doubt Scully is gonna net the Dees two selections. Also, im not sure what a 'sweetner' such as an extra pick in the 40's is really gonna do to ameliorate him going

If Scully goes, the best the Dees could hope for is a first round selection, useable after their first rounder the year they activate it (no earlier than 2012 unless they want a pick at around 30 odd).

Effectively pick 12(ish) for Scully with two years devolpment under his belt, that cant be used till next years draft.

Be furious if we got bent over like that.

 

[SpaceCow]

Actually looking back one that I though Geelong got two round one's but they didn't. Also yeah he had a lot of accolades but he was/is 26/27. Scully being only 19 is a long term player for GWS. 12 years+, whereas Ablett probably has 7 at most left.

Of course Ablett is a hell of a lot better than Scully at the moment...

Considering he's so young and drafted so highly I think the AFL will see sense in giving Melbourne some alright compensation. They'll be closer to unhappy than content with the compensation though.

 

[Blue and Silver]

I suspect the Scully compo would be a pick after Melbournes first pick in the draft. Not great for a no.1 pick, but at least you get to take two first rounders back to back. And given their recent up and down form they will likely finish bottom 6 this year, could they possibly use it? Would this push GWS picks around?

 

[coryne]

I suspect the Scully compo would be a pick after Melbournes first pick in the draft. Not great for a no.1 pick, but at least you get to take two first rounders back to back. And given their recent up and down form they will likely finish bottom 6 this year, could they possibly use it? Would this push GWS picks around?

All 1st rd picks, taken during a "compromised draft" (eg in 2010 or 2011) are taken after the first rd is complete (eg between the 1st and 2nd rd's, basically making them tier 3 picks).


The AFL only made the new tier 1 picks available when it was apparent that Ablett was going to the Suns, and the top compensation pick at the time was a "1st rd pick after your original pick".


IMO the best that Melbourne could do is trade on their compensation pick to say the GWS for say pick #3 this year. That way the GWS, which will most likely finish 18th next year, will get picks #1 and #2 x2 years running, while Melbourne will get a #3 pick in exchange for Scully.


I wouldn't be surprised if this eventuated, with a little pushing from the AFL to get it done (total speculation)

 

[RiCHii]

Considering he was drafted so recently it will also take into account his draft number. If he goes Melbourne will be compensated okayish for it.

I feel that Melbourne will be very very disappointed with their compensation, a number 1 draft pick they they have invested a few years into. Thats gotta hurt

 

[Malifice]

I suspect the Scully compo would be a pick after Melbournes first pick in the draft. Not great for a no.1 pick, but at least you get to take two first rounders back to back. And given their recent up and down form they will likely finish bottom 6 this year, could they possibly use it? Would this push GWS picks around?

They take the compo pick this year (first round) and it doesnt activate untill after the end of the first round.

Considering the Giants get ten picks in the 1st round plus 17 other sides, thats effectively pick 28 for Scully.

Better off waiting till next year, where (assuming they finish around tenth behind Brisbane, Port, GC, Giants and in the middle bracket with Essendon, Tigers, WCE, Dogs, Saints, Crows, North) they'll get pick 10 for him.

So put 2 years into a player, draft him at 1, then lose him for pick 10 that you cant even use for a year, right as he is starting to get his feet as an AFL player.

Best bet would be to activate the pick then tank like a soviet T72 all year. Try and get 1+2.

 

[Marc Shmurf 3]

Just posted over in the Collingwood thread:

Was told yesterday that we are no longer interested in getting Malthouse's services. Not on the belief that he cant coach, it is just that with our rapid rise, our window of opportunity is now & if Ratts was too fall on his sword come end of year, we would look internally (Richo) to take over the roll or make a another massive play for Roos. Mick, like Roos to an extent would need time to get his structures put in place, and the hierarchy believe now that we may miss the boat if a new coach and his ways were to come in.

If he goes, the feeling around the place is to the Bulldogs, but he is more than likely to stay with the Pies.

 

[NAUGHT5]

Great rumour!
At the start of the year the thought of getting Mick was very tempting but I am now very confident Ratts is the man for the job..

 

[HARKER]

Just posted over in the Collingwood thread:

Was told yesterday that we are no longer interested in getting Malthouse's services. Not on the belief that he cant coach, it is just that with our rapid rise, our window of opportunity is now & if Ratts was too fall on his sword come end of year, we would look internally (Richo) to take over the roll or make a another massive play for Roos. Mick, like Roos to an extent would need time to get his structures put in place, and the hierarchy believe now that we may miss the boat if a new coach and his ways were to come in.

That feels about right.
We would have had the feelers out early year, which wouldn't have come as any surprise to anyone, but pursuing him further at this point in time would have been a bad move for the club.

We've clearly got a formula going that is starting to bear fruit.

Recruitment: Tick.
New coaches: Tick
Ratten: (Allowing himself to be relieved of undue pressures) Tick.
Players fitting into a workable regime: Big Tick

All systems go.

 

[Poseidon]

Just posted over in the Collingwood thread:

How's that working out for you?

 

[blues4flag]

Just posted over in the Collingwood thread:

Was told yesterday that we are no longer interested in getting Malthouse's services. Not on the belief that he cant coach, it is just that with our rapid rise, our window of opportunity is now & if Ratts was too fall on his sword come end of year, we would look internally (Richo) to take over the roll or make a another massive play for Roos. Mick, like Roos to an extent would need time to get his structures put in place, and the hierarchy believe now that we may miss the boat if a new coach and his ways were to come in.

If he goes, the feeling around the place is to the Bulldogs, but he is more than likely to stay with the Pies.

Phew.

My biggest concern about changing coaches. I don't think any coach has come in and won a premiership in his first 1 or 2 years at a club in recent decades (Scott might buck that trend, but).