Rumour File #6

[TOPBLUE_25]

Have to say I agree with blue healer. Would love Butcher but it wont happen, glad the clubs having a crack though.

 

[NAUGHT5]

Yeah agree, about a 1% chance of happening, but glad we're out there.
That's even if the media reports are to be believed.

 

[Blue Bawls]

hampson will never,ever be a star. simple as that geez wake-up

Widely accepted fact that big men take longer to develop. Kreuzer is a star through his sheer determination rather than any great skill factor.

In another season or two you'll probably eat those words.

 

[PooMonkey]

If another club bid their first rounder for Buckly I would play the bluff and make them take him...
The kid is not worth a first rounder...not even close

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

If another club bid their first rounder for Buckly I would play the bluff and make them take him...
The kid is not worth a first rounder...not even close

We can't do that.

We've given the AFL, Jim and Dylan our word that he will be a Carlton player in 2012 in order to get him out of the Sheedy/GWS landscape.

In the words of the great poet:

"All I have in this world is my balls, and my word, and I don't break 'em for no one, jou understand?"

 

[Donstuie]

Yes we can

 

[NAUGHT5]

I agree with C4.

Football is a ruthless game, but we can't do that to a favourite son.

 

[PooMonkey]

We can't do that.

We've given the AFL, Jim and Dylan our word that he will be a Carlton player in 2012 in order to get him out of the Sheedy/GWS landscape.

In the words of the great poet:

"All I have in this world is my balls, and my word, and I don't break 'em for no one, jou understand?"

I agree with C4.

Football is a ruthless game, but we can't do that to a favourite son.

We certainly can do that...

Why would Carlton use a first round pick on a player that is most probably rated a 3rd or 4th round pick at best??

Just because he is a son of a former player and we said we would pick him doesn't mean didly squat...If another team bids a first rounder for him...let him go and have them pay the consequences.

As much as I am looking forward to seeing Dylan turn out in the Navy Blue, he has shown ZERO this season as far as developing from his previous seasons.

Football is now a business machine and its all about making the club stronger.

Using a first rounder on a player that hasn't shown his value lies there would be negligent at best by the CFC.

 

[Blue and Silver]

If another club bid their first rounder for Buckly I would play the bluff and make them take him...
The kid is not worth a first rounder...not even close

Won't happen.

Clubs cannot afford to set this sort of precedent if they want to co-exist in the vital post-season list management period. Plenty of clubs have up and coming F/S's who can't afford for every single one to be a first rounder. Plenty more know they will likely have some form of trading relations with Carlton at some time in the future, and can't risk pissing all over us.

More or less this comes down to treating others as you would like them to treat you. Hypothetically if say Fremantle screws us, then maybe we let them have Dylan and on the sly just let Dylan know that Carlton will be very happy to have him in 2 years time. Freo would be passing up on opportunity at a number of potential long term players to try and stiff Carlton.

Furthermore in this case then any form of trading relations between Freo and Carlton may dry up. Say Armfield wants to go home (hypotheticals guys, not saying he will). Freo are very interested, and are better placed then West Coast to suit our requirements. BUT we deal with WCE, because we expect Freo to be unreasonable.

Maintaining good relations with other clubs is important, because you set precedents which can marr your reputation and hurt you in the long run.

 

[blueboy25]

If another club bid their first rounder for Buckly I would play the bluff and make them take him...
The kid is not worth a first rounder...not even close

Could be a dangerous move by another club trying to force us to use a first round pick to pick up young Buckley especially if he is not worth it.

Clubs have long memories and I am sure if the roles are reversed in the future it might come back to bite them on the arse.

 

[blue healer]

I'm with C4 and naughts on this. Don't know about the legalities of reneging on a commitment like this but I think we have created an expectation and it would be morally wrong to go back on it.

On another front, if we really want Butcher how do you think Port (and Carlton) would view putting Lucas on the table. I know most of this board would be violently against it but we don't have a great deal of clout with the club.

Might be a possible win/win if they want a mid and the Blues must have some confidence in Buckley or they wouldn't have committed in the first place.

Even that might need a sweetener so we could throw in Bower and now I'll quickly run for cover.

 

[blue healer]

Could be a dangerous move by another club trying to force us to use a first round pick to pick up young Buckley especially if he is not worth it.

Clubs have long memories and I am sure if the roles are reversed in the future it might come back to bite them on the arse.

Fair dinkum don't think they'd give a rats if it landed them the right player, I'd back our club if they did it.

 

[PooMonkey]

I'm with C4 and naughts on this. Don't know about the legalities of reneging on a commitment like this but I think we have created an expectation and it would be morally wrong to go back on it.

On another front, if we really want Butcher how do you think Port (and Carlton) would view putting Lucas on the table. I know most of this board would be violently against it but we don't have a great deal of clout with the club.

Might be a possible win/win if they want a mid and the Blues must have some confidence in Buckley or they wouldn't have committed in the first place.

Even that might need a sweetener so we could throw in Bower and now I'll quickly run for cover.

If Lucas and Bower were going anywhere it would be back to WA and not to SA...you would think...

I am of the thought that Bower will be in Freo colors next season in any case.

 

[zeeCFC]

Dylan has been injured almost all year. He's been highly rated before that.

All this talk is useless though, we won't use/have to use a first rounder on him...

 

[Silvagnis]

Bower and Russell are missing links in our team. Face reality, Hampson is just another tall athlete with poor hands our club has drafted who doesn't have footy smarts. We have not had a good ruckman in over 10 years. The last good ruckman we had was Matthew Allan. Kreuzer looks like being the next good ruckman but maybe next year.

Examples of good ruckmen are Cox, Naitanui, Mumford, Goldstein, Sandilands and jolly.

When we have a ruckman who gets 12 possessions and takes 1 or 2 big marks we get all excited and start blurting out the old "potential" line. The output of our ruckmen are nowhere near the top ruckmen in the comp. Guys who can't take a mark rarely come good. A ruckman who can't take a mark is near pointless unless they are getting mid to high 20s in the possession count per game and are performing as an extra midfielder but our blokes are barely getting half that.

Hampson is nothig special and not in our best 22 but if another club rates him as much as we do then lets go for it. Could be a handy defensive ruckman with good tap skills who can take the odd mark up forward and make a contest.

Again we need to convince Butcher to leave but he's probably not in a good situation to do so.

Exhibit A of the patients taking over the asylum.

Port reportedly asked for Hampson two years ago.

And Hampson was in our best 22 prior to his knee injury.

If you want to write off Hampson, then you just have to look back at all the past criticism of Walker for getting by on potential.

Thank God the supporters don't run the club.

These muppets would bring Fevola back.

 

[Hank_Hill]

Was it Warnock that missed that easy shot at goal against Geelong late in the game that cost us the game. Can't remember if it was Warnock or Hampson. Trade either or both. That missed goal probably ended up costing us a top 4 finish.

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

Yes we can

We certainly can do that...

Why would Carlton use a first round pick on a player that is most probably rated a 3rd or 4th round pick at best??

Just because he is a son of a former player and we said we would pick him doesn't mean didly squat...If another team bids a first rounder for him...let him go and have them pay the consequences.

As much as I am looking forward to seeing Dylan turn out in the Navy Blue, he has shown ZERO this season as far as developing from his previous seasons.

Football is now a business machine and its all about making the club stronger.

Using a first rounder on a player that hasn't shown his value lies there would be negligent at best by the CFC.

There is no more argument.

We cannot do that.

We have publically commited to Dylan Buckley, and therefore he has been removed from the grasp of GWS.

Whatever pick another club bids - for arguments sake, a first round selection from St Kilda, we are unable to wash our hands of it all and let them have him - this is not ebay.

Besides, even if we could do that (which we can't) it would be a morally shit thing to do and as has been said previously, sets dangerous precedent which the AFL will come down hard on.

He's coming to us regardless, whether its for a pick in 20's or a pick in the 40's - get over it people, we're locked in.

CARLTON father-son signing Dylan Buckley says he never considered Greater Western Sydney's advances after a handshake agreement that he would join the Blues in 2012.

Carlton was happy to commit to the 17-year-old son of triple premiership centreman Jim Buckley a full 18 months before it could draft him.

He was eligible to be signed as one of a dozen 17-year-olds that GWS could obtain, but instead will play in the TAC Cup next year before going to the Blues in the 2011 national draft.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...ley-keen-to-fire/story-e6frf9jf-1225886876732


Besides, he's already up on the Blueseum

http://www.blueseum.org/tiki-index.php?page=Dylan+Buckley

 

[zeeCFC]

Was it Warnock that missed that easy shot at goal against Geelong late in the game that cost us the game. Can't remember if it was Warnock or Hampson. Trade either or both. That missed goal probably ended up costing us a top 4 finish.

Quoted to bring attention to crap post/er

 

[gbatman]

Exhibit A of the patients taking over the asylum.

Port reportedly asked for Hampson two years ago.

And Hampson was in our best 22 prior to his knee injury.

If you want to write off Hampson, then you just have to look back at all the past criticism of Walker for getting by on potential.

Thank God the supporters don't run the club.

These muppets would bring Fevola back.

We will see, so far I've been pretty good at calling things. Was never one to call for Walker to go or Fev to return. Hampson was in our best 22 prior to his knee injury because we had nothing. We have three weak areas. The ruck position, the 4th centerman position and the ruck who can go forward position and we have B graders filling those holes who are not giving us a lot. It's not hard to get a game for us if that's one of the types of player you are.

Hampson will turn out handy and do the odd flashy thing like taking a big mark and we will be going on about his potential when he's 26. He'll probably have a string of good seasons in his late 20's but really don't think he will be a star. I've never seen a guy who can't hold marks come good. He'd be the first.

 

[PooMonkey]

would be interested to see if there are any "Factual" laws on this rather than just differing oppinion???

I am aware of what the club "said" it would do...but clubs change their mind all the time..and what if he had a career ending injury..would we still be forced to draft him...

I doubt it is as Black and White as you would like to presume it is.

I couldnt care less if "morally" it hurts the kids feelings...This game is a Billion $ business...and Billion $ business do not run on the "feelings" or "moral judgements" of some.

 

[serenityNow]

Quoted to bring attention to crap post/er

Yep, thanks for that.

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

would be interested to see if there are any "Factual" laws on this rather than just differing oppinion???

I am aware of what the club "said" it would do...but clubs change their mind all the time..and what if he had a career ending injury..would we still be forced to draft him...

I doubt it is as Black and White as you would like to presume it is.

I couldnt care less if "morally" it hurts the kids feelings...This game is a Billion $ business...and Billion $ business do not run on the "feelings" or "moral judgements" of some.

He has officially registered to be taken by Carlton in this years draft according to the Carlton/AFL website.

So yes, it is as black and white as I stated.

He was even offered by the club to reserve the #16 gurnsey for when he is drafted - why would we offer a player a gurnsey number if we didn't know it was a certainty that he would be on our list next season?

Buckley, who was captain of the Victorian Metro Under 16 team in 2009, has officially registered to be recruited by the Blues in the 2011 National Draft as a Father/Son selection.

http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/4311/newsid/90618/default.aspx

*Please note - The Carlton Football Club had offered to keep the number 16 guernsey on hold in anticipation of drafting Dylan Buckley, however Dylan advised the Club that he wished to forge his own history with Carlton and requested that another number be allocated to him.

http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/4311/newsid/106099/default.aspx

 

[HARKER]

For gods sake, someone get that boy stocks of that Musashi stuff that apparently puts muscles on our boys.
Dylan looks like my 12 y.o. niece in that shot.

 

[Stamos]

He has officially registered to be taken by Carlton in this years draft according to the Carlton/AFL website.

So yes, it is as black and white as I stated.

He was even offered by the club to reserve the #16 gurnsey for when he is drafted - why would we offer a player a gurnsey number if we didn't know it was a certainty that he would be on our list next season?

He will be on our list next year, but you're wrong that we have to take him if the bid is too high.

If, for example we thought he was only worth a 4th round pick, and a club bid their first rounder, we would not use our first rounder because of our agreement. We're not going to be held to ransom because of it.

Buckley will be at Carlton, but it's not black and white.

 

[mickelboy182]

Was it Warnock that missed that easy shot at goal against Geelong late in the game that cost us the game. Can't remember if it was Warnock or Hampson. Trade either or both. That missed goal probably ended up costing us a top 4 finish.

Yep and get rid of that spud that missed a few sitters in the elim final last year, think his name was Judd or something?