Rumour File #6

[Kramer1]

Setanta says hello.

Don't you mean 'top o the mornin'?


/racist

 

[KennyHunter9]

Fev didnt win us a final because our list was a shambles and we only had 1 forward and 1 decent crumber (betts) when he was here.

Someone like a Fev 'type' would be of huge benefit. We miss crash and bash as Waite is not that player.

A Fev 'type' takes al ot of attention away from a Waite who would provide a dual focal point up forward.

It leaves Walker as a third forward tall which is his go and would see him add more goals. 3rd best defender on him...not 1st/2nd.

Our forward line when Waite is back is only missing 1 type of player...and that IS a Fev type body with skill.

Betts/Garlett would only improve with that type of player.

We miss the physicality that everyone is happy seeing from Duigan in our backline!

You can throw up Kruezer, Hampson and Setanta but the first two are ruckman who are not rdy to rule a fwd line. Setanta just hasnt got enough craft. All of them can fire for small periods of time though...but they arent Fev's arseh*le as a FF.

Even a crameri type would suit our structure..a poorer version of Fev.

Hawthorn when it counted (1st half) pushed over Garlett and Betts at will with stronger bodies...a Fev 'type' would have really helped us physically push back!

Myth: that Fev was a crash and bash player.

He was a FF, not a CHF. He was very good one on one, and he was good at planting the knee into someone coming back into his space (they're the risks you take when you fill the space in front of a leading FF). Walker is filling this role very well for us.

Fev rarely did the crash and bash work we associate with a CHF (a la Duke, Sellers). Setanta is the closest thing we have now, with Hendo a possibility for the future.

 

[Kramer1]

A lot of Irish love on here, but the problem with Setanta is he cannot be relied upon...yes he is unpredictable, but also brings a lot of work undone with brain farts, hugely athletic, often when running to the wrong position. He can be incredibly enigmatic, or go missing to the extent that one may need a blacktracker and a packed lunch to find him.

We have enough unpredictability in the forward line. I just pray (and I aint generally a prayin man) that Waite isn't the long shot that some are making him out to be to play finals.

 

[Snoozer]

A lot of Irish love on here, but the problem with Setanta is he cannot be relied upon...yes he is unpredictable, but also brings a lot of work undone with brain farts, hugely athletic, often when running to the wrong position. He can be incredibly enigmatic, or go missing to the extent that one may need a blacktracker and a packed lunch to find him.

We have enough unpredictability in the forward line. I just pray (and I aint generally a prayin man) that Waite isn't the long shot that some are making him out to be to play finals.

Setanta doesn't need to play well... he just needs to be there for a bailout kick going into the forward line, so we aren't bombing to Eddie, Walker and Jeff. So long as he competes, and ensures that the opposition don't take easy marks, his job will be done. He will make all the others that much more dangerous.

 

[BlueGibbs2011]

Myth: that Fev was a crash and bash player.

He was a FF, not a CHF. He was very good one on one, and he was good at planting the knee into someone coming back into his space (they're the risks you take when you fill the space in front of a leading FF). Walker is filling this role very well for us.

Fev rarely did the crash and bash work we associate with a CHF (a la Duke, Sellers). Setanta is the closest thing we have now, with Hendo a possibility for the future.

Disagree but not worth fighting over as it is solely a matter of opinion. He certainly caused opposition defenders to think twice due to the possibility.

Provides at least the same impact that Duigan does physically down back.

And let's not forget how many times Fev was double and triple teamed . These days that would leave one of Waite/Walker free somewhere else.

What you might say is that you dont want Fev back in our team. That is a fair enough statement given his history. But it is moronic to say we dont need a Fev 'type' FF right now.

 

[KennyHunter9]

Disagree but not worth fighting over as it is solely a matter of opinion. He certainly caused opposition defenders to think twice due to the possibility.

Provides at least the same impact that Duigan does physically down back.

And let's not forget how many times Fev was double and triple teamed . These days that would leave one of Waite/Walker free somewhere else.

What you might say is that you dont want Fev back in our team. That is a fair enough statement given his history. But it is moronic to say we dont need a Fev 'type' FF right now.

We don't. Walker is playing the FF role, and doing it well.

What we do need is a crash and bash CHF, and Fev is not that (and never was).

 

[Beloved]

I'm hoping you're right.

Players like Mclean also look great at VFL though so it's a big step up.

I will pray for Setantrum to come out firing and display some good AFL form right through to the cut throat finals.

It was the sort of performance I didn't expect from him. Hopefully it wasn't a one off.

Don't you mean 'top o the mornin'?


/racist

Pay that.

 

[Beloved]

What we do need is a crash and bash CHF, and Fev is not that (and never was).

I disagree.

I remember that game against Essendon when he bowled O'hAilpin straight over.

 

[BlueGibbs2011]

Setanta doesn't need to play well... he just needs to be there for a bailout kick going into the forward line, so we aren't bombing to Eddie, Walker and Jeff. So long as he competes, and ensures that the opposition don't take easy marks, his job will be done. He will make all the others that much more dangerous.

That might make us competitive, but will it win us a prel and grand final? I'm not so confident there. Collingwood and Hawks currently match us in the mids and defence, but both sides have us covered for a decent KPP forward.

This allows them to shut the game down knowing a buddy or cloke can win them the game. Right now, even with a decent Setanta, Carlton need a wide open run and stun game to beat those two teams. Hardly happens at the business end of a season.

We are still missing KPP pieces. Or we have the pieces Hendo/Watson etc but they are not quite rdy yet to take us that next step in 2011.

 

[BlueGibbs2011]

I disagree.

I remember that game against Essendon when he bowled O'hAilpin straight over.

Almost every decent key forward has smashed a team mate hard. Fev did that day for sure...a bit undisciplined probably.

He has smashed a lot more of the opposition as well. Filling the hole in front of Fev would probably be the hardest thing to do...well him or Barry.

Fev would def unsettle some of the fast slight athletic 17/18 year olds currently comning into the game and having to fill a def hole.

 

[BlueGibbs2011]

We don't. Walker is playing the FF role, and doing it well.

What we do need is a crash and bash CHF, and Fev is not that (and never was).

You got any proof or just read someone else say it here previously.

Maybe we could put up a poll for oppositoin fans to get some independent views.

Fev spilled a heap of balls to the ground for Betts to run on to...or have you forgotten that too?

 

[Blue Bawls]

You'd have to be a moron to ignore the damage that Fevola would do to our current forward structure and team mentality.

No passengers.

Fevola wouldn't have won us the Hawthorn game.

We've been down that road before.

Even Walker is a better overhead mark in a pack.

The forwardline needs a tall marking target, not a lead up receiver who plays full forward.

Fevola turns 31 in January.

Too old.

I think it was about here I lost all respect for your opinion.

Fevola would absolutely have made the difference in not only the Hawthorn game but all the games we've lost in the last two months.

A big hulking, marking, contesting forward drawing two/three defenders and allowing Betts and Garlett to crumb rather than actually be forward targets, and not have to throw Jamo up forward because there was bugger all other "contesting" options absolutely shows the need of Fevola or a player of his bulk and ability - of which there is only one other in the league at the moment (Cloke) who has 20 more contested marks than anyone else.

Call me a moron all you want TG, the fact remains our team would be so much better with Fev in it.

 

[BlueGibbs2011]

I think it was about here I lost all respect for your opinion.

Fevola would absolutely have made the difference in not only the Hawthorn game but all the games we've lost in the last two months.

A big hulking, marking, contesting forward drawing two/three defenders and allowing Betts and Garlett to crumb rather than actually be forward targets, and not have to throw Jamo up forward because there was bugger all other "contesting" options absolutely shows the need of Fevola or a player of his bulk and ability - of which there is only one other in the league at the moment (Cloke) who has 20 more contested marks than anyone else.

Call me a moron all you want TG, the fact remains our team would be so much better with Fev in it.

A lot of people on here dont understand team structure and the importance of KPP targets and the marking outlet/ contested ball relief they provide (fwd to wing). TG is a great case in point. He would rather us proceed with Walker as our sole KPP target

 

[blue gunslinger]

We don't. Walker is playing the FF role, and doing it well.

What we do need is a crash and bash CHF, and Fev is not that (and never was).

Waite did a fair bit of that
Our game is built on fast paced skillful transfer of the ball ie modern game
Fev is not modern

 

[BlueGibbs2011]

Waite did a fair bit of that
Our game is built on fast paced skillful transfer of the ball ie modern game
Fev is not modern

Crameri did ok for the Bombers in this modern game you are talking about.

Physical Fev clone?

 

[Blue Bawls]

We don't. Walker is playing the FF role, and doing it well.

What we do need is a crash and bash CHF, and Fev is not that (and never was).

Walker is the ultimate forward flank/pocket player with his leap and pace, but he's not a patch on Jack Reiwoldt, who, despite substandard midfield delivery, still manages to worry the Coleman.

Can you really not see how much he and Waite would benefit from having Fev drawing defenders or creating a pack to leap over?

This is the kind of "Yeah, he was crap anyway" ignorance that really gets up my nose. No-one disputed Fev's game winning ability in 2009.

 

[Blue Bawls]

I'm on the fence with this Fev situation, however does anyone really think that we have the forward line that can win us a really important final?

Personally there is enough evidence to suggest that Betts and Garlett don't cut the mustard in big games. Walker is yet to perform, but has had greater output then the aforementioned. Waite is the unknown, yet not the true big bodied KPF forward we really need. The club is pinning its hopes on Mitchell who has had issues with his shoulders, and there is no guarantee that they will heal (Here is hoping a Walker outcome with young Luke).

Although as some have suggested it is functioning well, its against the better teams that simply it doesn't.

 

[blue gunslinger]

Walker is the ultimate forward flank/pocket player with his leap and pace, but he's not a patch on Jack Reiwoldt, who, despite substandard midfield delivery, still manages to worry the Coleman.

Can you really not see how much he and Waite would benefit from having Fev drawing defenders or creating a pack to leap over?

This is the kind of "Yeah, he was crap anyway" ignorance that really gets up my nose. No-one disputed Fev's game winning ability in 2009.

So you are seriously thinking that the return of plan A-kick it to Fev, the media Fev show and the disharmony it would cause within the club is worth it as we are obviously not on the path to success at the minute and the 2009 Blues (that won how many games?) is better than the 2011 Blues?
Must say enjoy the solitude

 

[Blue Bawls]

So you are seriously thinking that the return of plan A-kick it to Fev, the media Fev show and the disharmony it would cause within the club is worth it as we are obviously not on the path to success at the minute and the 2009 Blues (that won how many games?) is better than the 2011 Blues?
Must say enjoy the solitude

Absolutely not. But my argument has never ever been that that's who we would get. I didn't tear up my membership when he was sent packing, I saw the need to do that.

Enjoy the solitude in believing that he hasn't changed one iota since 2009.

Edit: Sorry, I didn't answer the first part of your question. I'll just go along with Rattan's published comment that we need a hulking forward.

 

[blue gunslinger]

Absolutely not. But my argument has never ever been that that's who we would get. I didn't tear up my membership when he was sent packing, I saw the need to do that.

Enjoy the solitude in believing that he hasn't changed one iota since 2009.

Edit: Sorry, I didn't answer your original question. I'll just go along with Rattan's published comment that we need a hulking forward.

he is 2 years older, heavier, rustier, still suffering family troubles that are deeper than 2 years ago,slower, has a grudge against Sticks and the Board-probably judd ratts et al

 

[choo]

he is 2 years older, heavier, rustier, still suffering family troubles that are deeper than 2 years ago,slower, has a grudge against Sticks and the Board-probably judd ratts et al

Fev has NEVER spoken to Ratten since the infamous brownlow night.
NEVER EVER
And some are suggesting he'd be welcomed back!!!

 

[blue gunslinger]

Fev has NEVER spoken to Ratten since the infamous brownlow night.
NEVER EVER
And some are suggesting he'd be welcomed back!!!

and hasn't he sent some interesting tweets to current players about sticking it up certain individuals?

 

[Blue Bawls]

Fev has NEVER spoken to Ratten since the infamous brownlow night.
NEVER EVER
And some are suggesting he'd be welcomed back!!!

Source?

And even if that were true, what does it prove? Rattan has publicly said that Fev would need to get his act together before he'd be considered for a Carlton return, which he appears to have done.

 

[blue gunslinger]

Source?

And even if that were true, what does it prove? Rattan has publicly said that Fev would need to get his act together before he'd be considered for a Carlton return, which he appears to have done.

That is what Voss said
You have claimed I am infantile and speak rubbish, others have no source and yet we give you examples of you being incorrect. Grab a mirror

 

[Blue Bawls]

and hasn't he sent some interesting tweets to current players about sticking it up certain individuals?

Really? You mean the "bloody disgrace" tweet for dropping Hoops before his 200th?