Rumour File #8.

[Salaryman]

TWR caller just mentioned something about Hawthorn looking to deal with Carlton for either Bower, O'hAilpin or Russell.

Firstly, do Hawks have anything left to give draft pick wise?

Secondly, why do callers keep throwing in Russell despite the club not declaring him on the table?

99.8% of these blokes are just making stuff up. he was just postulatin

 

[Kramer1]

TWR caller just mentioned something about Hawthorn looking to deal with Carlton for either Bower, O'hAilpin or Russell.

Firstly, do Hawks have anything left to give draft pick wise?

Secondly, why do callers keep throwing in Russell despite the club not declaring him on the table?

Russell should be back amongst the first half dozen picked in 2012...can't see a scenario where we would let him go.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

99.8% of these blokes are just making stuff up. he was just postulatin

I know but I was looking to focus on rumours again.

 

[KennyHunter9]

Maybe so, but it does not impact on Bower or O'hAilpin. Their reasons for wanting to leave have nothing to do with available spots on our list.

If we were able to delist McLean, we could open up another draft pick perhaps, at around 66. Frankly McLean might be providing more in terms of VFL development for some players in that he dominates at that level and sets the example. He might actually be helping us down there.

The reasons we got McLean were sound. Many neutrals actually lauded the decision at the time and the proof in in the BF archives. I don't see the point in us whinging every time he gets injured, whinging every time he gets a game but doesn't perform, whinging every trade period, until he is cut loose. Form an opinion, recognise it for what it is, but accept it. It can't be changed. Complaining achieves NOTHING.

Hell, every club drafts a dud here and there, or trades for one, or signs an outlandish contract in hindsight.

We got him for the right reason, he had shown very good form previously and had been rated. We needed a 3 year deal to lure him from his club (as it customary in these cases). This one didn't work.

If we are going to bake the club for not being perfect and remind them of it, even when they have been getting a lot right, are we supporters open to the same criticisms? Are we the perfect supporters? Are we helping our team by continuously complaining about something that can't be changed?

Three things:

1. McLean: Go back and look at all my previous posts about Brock and you will see I've backed him in. I would LOVE for him to prove me wrong, but I think we both know it's not going to happen. I sit in the crowd when he plays and I cheer because I want him to do well. But I don't think he's going to figure in our plans from here.

2. Continuous complaining: this is not a continuous complaint, especially if you take me at my word about point 1 above. This is a 2011 list management issue. It's new. Why? Because we've never been in such a difficult position list management wise. We're struggling to cut guys. So it's no longer a case of cutting a midfielder for another midfielder, or a forward for a forward. It's now down to one or two spots and I'd rather have Bower and Setanta on the list. They may want to go, but as we've shown with T-Bird, Russell and Walker, we don't necessarily cave and it's not necessarily the end for that player. In fact, it may be the start of something.

3. Overall: we're in this position because our list management is generally very good. As far as I can see there's only one first rounder we've wasted in about 10 years. That's outstanding; a huge tick to the club, but this trade didn't work. And the sooner we end the arrangement the better.

 

[Marc Shmurf 3]

TWR caller just mentioned something about Hawthorn looking to deal with Carlton for either Bower, O'hAilpin or Russell.

Firstly, do Hawks have anything left to give draft pick wise?

Secondly, why do callers keep throwing in Russell despite the club not declaring him on the table?

LOL Russell again, how many times.....

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Circular argument still KH. My comments were directed to the continual complaints we get from various posters, not you specifically. It's done, it can't be changed, it's a hindsight argument that serves little purpose. Now that all the stakeholders have had a final say, let's put it to bed, unless someone wants to start a constructive McLean thread.

 

[zeeCFC]

HUN article says Richo has missed out on the Saints position.

Staying a Blue!

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

LOL Russell again, how many times.....

They are obviously thinking of anybody that seemed out of favour being able to score us a gun from another club.

People just want anything to happen I'd say.

 

[smashbox gill]

TWR caller just mentioned something about Hawthorn looking to deal with Carlton for either Bower, O'hAilpin or Russell.

Firstly, do Hawks have anything left to give draft pick wise?

Secondly, why do callers keep throwing in Russell despite the club not declaring him on the table?

maybe bower for lilse?

 

[40yearBLUE]

They are obviously thinking of anybody that seemed out of favour being able to score us a gun from another club.

People just want anything to happen I'd say.

Probably about right. My guess is a pick swap is about all we will do in this trade if anything. More likely I reckon, is that both (Bower and Irish) will be convinced to have another crack (neither will risk entering the draft) and both will accept a 1 year contract and we will drop Kerr to the rookie list or say goodbye.

Not a rumour, just seems like the % thing to do given where our list is. We will then go to the draft with 2 live picks, 22 and 44 and see if we cant get a couple more mids, one inside one outside and go with the talls we already have and back our selecting skills last draft.

 

[PooMonkey]

Hey, it's gone for 7,600 posts and done its job. There are bound to be excursions in any long thread.

You can thank me any time

 

[Tanks_Alot]

maybe bower for lilse?

I don't know much about Gunston or Lisle, but I heard that Gunston was recruited to play a role up forward and help Buddy out. If Lisle was any good why would they go through the trouble of getting Gunston? Why wouldn't they just persevere with Lisle? Tells me that they don't really rate him, I'd put Bower waaay ahead of him, to me a fair deal would be Austin for Lisle. Austin could help them down back and Lisle could do the same for us up forward. If not, no big deal, but they're both players that their respective clubs don't seem to have any plans for. A change of environment and a fresh start may be what they both need.

 

[smashbox gill]

I don't know much about Gunston or Lisle, but I heard that Gunston was recruited to play a role up forward and help Buddy out. If Lisle was any good why would they go through the trouble of getting Gunston? Why wouldn't they just persevere with Lisle? Tells me that they don't really rate him, I'd put Bower waaay ahead of him, to me a fair deal would be Austin for Lisle. Austin could help them down back and Lisle could do the same for us up forward. If not, no big deal, but they're both players that their respective clubs don't seem to have any plans for. A change of environment and a fresh start may be what they both need.

so u dont know much about lilse yet you rekon austin is the same value as him?

the reason he hasnt been gettin game time is because of buddy and roughead/hale being infront of him atm in the forward line. and shoenmakers and gibson being infront in the backline. Hes still only young, and is similar to roughead in body size/contested marking ability.

I think he would be a good get for us as he is a big body, and can break packs open and bring the bal to ground. Hes a good contested mark aswel which we really need. I think Bower for Lilse straight swap would be fair.

 

[blues4flag]

With regards to Mclean, would it be in both parties best interests to trade him to another club (GWS for example) and pay a share of his salary? No one's going to touch him for 400k a season, but if we agreed to pay half of that, there'd be a few suitors.

Mclean gets a reasonable chance of playing regularly at AFL level (which looks exceedingly unlikely at Carlton) and while we might not get much in return, it frees up a bit of money and the required list spot. With that money we could rejig some of our existing contracts, allowing us more wriggle room for 2013, when a number of fairly substantial contracts need to be negotiated.

 

[Marc Shmurf 3]

With regards to Mclean, would it be in both parties best interests to trade him to another club (GWS for example) and pay a share of his salary? No one's going to touch him for 400k a season, but if we agreed to pay half of that, there'd be a few suitors.

Mclean gets a reasonable chance of playing regularly at AFL level (which looks exceedingly unlikely at Carlton) and while we might not get much in return, it frees up a bit of money and the required list spot. With that money we could rejig some of our existing contracts, allowing us more wriggle room for 2013, when a number of fairly substantial contracts need to be negotiated.

was put out there early, not as much as 200K, but some non the less and was shot down pretty quickly. It is fair to say, that had he been out of contract, he would be going elsewhere, however being contracted and with NO interest, he remains a blue.

 

[Just Kreuzing]

was put out there early, not as much as 200K, but some non the less and was shot down pretty quickly. It is fair to say, that had he been out of contract, he would be going elsewhere, however being contracted and with NO interest, he remains a blue.

Fair to say this recruitment of Mclean has been an absolute disaster for us, we cant even get another club interested by offering to pay part of his salary

On the positive side of things though at least we will have an extra $400k if that figure is accurate to splash around this time next year when FA is in and possibly some more with Waite going on the veterans list!!

 

[Dale Gribble]

was put out there early, not as much as 200K, but some non the less and was shot down pretty quickly. It is fair to say, that had he been out of contract, he would be going elsewhere, however being contracted and with NO interest, he remains a blue.

I really think no club really want him on their list even without that salary, the bottom clubs are slowly building their side for the next few years. I really think he would be lucky to be on any list. This is most likely going down as one of our club worse blunders in our History. I would say in $ and possibly outcomes that could lose players, only the Stephen O'Reilly rates the worse as it costs us draft picks and money taken for years. The Luke Livingston first round pick would be number 3.

 

[Aphrodite]

Fair to say this recruitment of Mclean has been an absolute disaster for us, we cant even get another club interested by offering to pay part of his salary

On the positive side of things though at least we will have an extra $400k if that figure is accurate to splash around this time next year when FA is in and possibly some more with Waite going on the veterans list!!

Waite doesn't qualify for the veterans list next year.

He will be 29.

2013 he will qualify.

 

[I LOVE THE CFC]

Anyone heard that the mid the dons are after was Sugar...

 

[Just Kreuzing]

Waite doesn't qualify for the veterans list next year.

He will be 29.

2013 he will qualify.

Thats what I meant Aph, hence this time next year quote!! Leading into 2013.

 

[crane6]

Anyone heard that the mid the dons are after was Sugar...

Bomber's keen on Caddy and Toy

 

[Just Kreuzing]

Bomber's keen on Caddy and Toy

Are you suggesting both of them for Sugar then??

 

[Silvagnis]

Hooker for Toy has been doing the rounds for most of the year.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

You can thank me any time

Whatever for?

 

[smashbox gill]

if essendon are keen to pick up caddy, we should b right in his ear aswel, would gladly give up our first rounder + more for him. kid is a star!