Rusling or Anthony

[smiddaz123]

Well considering that his best performances were against sydney in round 21 and EF 2007 i think what you just said is a load of crap.

Wasn't he on Leo Barry?

All we need to do is get the opposition to promise to play slow, has been backmen on him then. Superb.

What shawthing said was correct. He needs space to be effective.

 

[shawthing09]

To every rule there is an exception but certainly in recent years it's hard to think of a fowardline that contained 3 genuine KPP that has worked succesfully.

Hawthorn tried it with Franklin Boyle and Roughhead.

St Kilda with Kosi Grehig and Riewoldt.

They are the two most recent if I can remember correctly and both fowardlines functioned much better once deciding on 2 and sticking to it.

 

[Quicky]

I would swap that around Rusling is the more natural FF and JA more suited to 3rd tall ie dummy leads and 2nd option to Rusling.


1 thing they both need is fast ball movement, because they are both lead, mark, goal forwards.

I can't see the justification in taking Anthony away from FF. The guy is easily our best KPF and most consistent goal scoring option. You can't just rearrange that based on what Rusling has shown so far in his career. Perhaps one day Rus can prove he deserves to be the key target but that hasn't happened yet. I think for Rusling he needs to work on his versatility so he can play more than just a leading FF role. He needs to able to play as a third tall out of a pocket and perhaps other roles in the forward line too.

 

[Quicky]

To every rule there is an exception but certainly in recent years it's hard to think of a fowardline that contained 3 genuine KPP that has worked succesfully.

Hawthorn tried it with Franklin Boyle and Roughhead.

St Kilda with Kosi Grehig and Riewoldt.

They are the two most recent if I can remember correctly and both fowardlines functioned much better once deciding on 2 and sticking to it.

I think the thing that really mitigates that point with our forward line is the fact that Cloke doesn't really play as a true KPP up forward.

Although tbh i'd be happier seeing him playing in a deeper forward position as opposed to the HFF type role he is currently used in.

 

[The Dan Fan]

To answer the question. At the moment Anthony is easily ahead. He will remain ahead because he can play as a defender and rusling cant consistently play games. I always feel like we could be one man down when he takes the field and i close my eyes when he does anything remotely near the sherrin.

Rusling has alot of potential but what he needs it to be able to break packs to compete with anthony and i don't see him doing that consistntly without emerging unscathed. There will never be enough room for him in the modern game, he needs either precision passes or a tactic to remove a maxwell type defender who would render him useless.

So the greater question is can cloke play as a full forward? what was he playing as predominantly when he won his copeland in 07?

I see that position better suited to Cloke than Rusling, breaking packs and taking big marks. I see dawes as the better option to Clokes current position. Dawes has a significantly better field kick, shot on goal accuracy i assume and just as good endurance. He's now able to get away with chest marks. Rusling is the back up even behind fraser who will roam the wings.

 

[Old Spice]

Wasn't he on Leo Barry?

All we need to do is get the opposition to promise to play slow, has been backmen on him then. Superb.

What shawthing said was correct. He needs space to be effective.

Barry didn't play round 21.

All these faded memories, you guys are linking your arguments to skyhooks

Take a look at the highlights from the EF. Rus shows plenty of versatility here in a team that included such big men as Rocca, Trav and Rus. Look at Trav to Rus at 7:25, Rus on the lead at 7:06, Rus finding space at 6:55, and other highlights inlcuding contested marks at 6:40, 5:20, 5:00 and that's as far as I could be bothered going. Note the timer works backwards.

http://www.livevideo.com/video/coll...9FB20FCB605/highlights-collingwood-round.aspx

 

[itwdandy]

Id have Fraser at FF have Rusling and Anthony by his side to lead out at the ball in diff directions... then play Trav at CHF.

 

[HFF]

Rus had multiple opponents that night because he was running hot.

Have a look at the tapes and you will notice the AA CHB in Craig Bolton on him after his early dominance.

Rus just created enormous seperation on Bolton too. He was just unstoppable.

As for the OP, we need both of them to work in tandem with Cloke just in front of them.

If all 3 are up and firing, oppositions are going to need 3 quality defenders to quell their influences.

 

[mdc]

Look at Trav to Rus at 7:25, Rus on the lead at 7:06, Rus finding space at 6:55, and other highlights inlcuding contested marks at 6:40, 5:20, 5:00 and that's as far as I could be bothered going. Note the timer works backwards.

I was looking forward to seeing some his contested marks, but the ones you've listed are uncontested, a free kick, and uncontested respectively.

The one from Cloke at 7:25 would be the closest thing there to a contested mark.

And what versatility? Every single highlight of his is a mark on the lead...except the free kick.

I'm a bit higher on the Rusling+Anthony proposition now given Thomas doesn't look like he'll spend much time there and Medhurst/Cloke have both struggled, but come on. He is what he is.

 

[smiddaz123]

Barry didn't play round 21.

Would've been the other game then.

I'd like to know who he was on Round 21.

 

[Old Spice]

I was looking forward to seeing some his contested marks, but the ones you've listed are uncontested, a free kick, and uncontested respectively.

The one from Cloke at 7:25 would be the closest thing there to a contested mark.

And what versatility? Every single highlight of his is a mark on the lead...except the free kick.

I'm a bit higher on the Rusling+Anthony proposition now given Thomas doesn't look like he'll spend much time there and Medhurst/Cloke have both struggled, but come on. He is what he is.

Yes, I phrased it poorly, I said 'other highlights including' contested mark and gave 3 times. Crashing into a pack, even when he is on the lead at @ 5:00 is a contested possession in my book.

The point I was also answering was the bogus ones about too many talls and not enough space. Crap.

 

[Optimax]

Wasn't he on Leo Barry?

All we need to do is get the opposition to promise to play slow, has been backmen on him then. Superb.

What shawthing said was correct. He needs space to be effective.

And Bolton and Richards

roos tried all three and rusling beat all three

 

[loki04]

Barry didn't play round 21.

All these faded memories, you guys are linking your arguments to skyhooks

Take a look at the highlights from the EF. Rus shows plenty of versatility here in a team that included such big men as Rocca, Trav and Rus. Look at Trav to Rus at 7:25, Rus on the lead at 7:06, Rus finding space at 6:55, and other highlights inlcuding contested marks at 6:40, 5:20, 5:00 and that's as far as I could be bothered going. Note the timer works backwards.

http://www.livevideo.com/video/coll...9FB20FCB605/highlights-collingwood-round.aspx

1 of the main things i noticed in that video is how much more attacking Pendlebury was in 07, streaming through the center delivering long lace out passes into the f50 hope we see more of that from him in 2010.

The other thing is J.Clement and N.Buckley set plays on goal from 60m out, who do we have who is capable of that? because it broke up the swans flood and could be handy vs teams like Hawks zone.

 

[loki04]

I was looking forward to seeing some his contested marks, but the ones you've listed are uncontested, a free kick, and uncontested respectively.

The one from Cloke at 7:25 would be the closest thing there to a contested mark.

And what versatility? Every single highlight of his is a mark on the lead...except the free kick.

I'm a bit higher on the Rusling+Anthony proposition now given Thomas doesn't look like he'll spend much time there and Medhurst/Cloke have both struggled, but come on. He is what he is.

1 of his goals came from a spillage that he was then recipient of a hand ball he then dummied a swan turned and goaled truly.

His ground game isn't as bad as you make out when he isn't leading at 100miles an hour.

 

[Markfs]

I would have thought that Rusling has to prove that he can string 10 games in a row before he can say he's in the team.

And Jack has spent quite a few games running around the park like a headless chook

I predict that one of them will be getting pounded as a loser in the forum by this time next year.

 

[abs_of_STEELE]

One of them kicked 50 goals in their first full year and the other can't stay fit. I know which one I'd prefer.

And even with Rus fit, Anthony is still better anyway.

 

[loki04]

Anthony gets the nod if it came down to the 2 due to reliability, but Rusling is the more dangerous forward when he is fit (which is what has stopped ruslings progress not a lack of ability at FF).

I believe they both can play in the same 22 regardless so mute question for me.

 

[Histrionics]

Would've been the other game then.

I'd like to know who he was on Round 21.

Luke Brennan.

He was at the Hawks before going to the Swans. Didn't play many games with them.

 

[Old Spice]

One of them kicked 50 goals in their first full year and the other can't stay fit. I know which one I'd prefer.

And even with Rus fit, Anthony is still better anyway.

Can't stay fit or has had bad luck with injury. Grover lined him up and rammed him at the point of his shoulder - not many would escape serious injury there.

First you say he can't keep fit, but then you decide that without having seen him fit, he'll never be any good.

 

[knightwheelrqr]

The second option would have Rusling used in a pocket. It would look something like this:

-----Didak------Cloke-----Medhurst----
-----Dick------Anthony----Rusling------

This allows Cloke to stay at CHF and Anthony at FF. The problem being it may get too crowded with Anthony and Rusling deep. Certainly Medhurst would need to move to the HFF as he is another player that needs a certain amount of room to be effective. I think the argument against this would be that Anthony and Rusling would get in each others way - and that certainly might happen.

But I think if it was implemented properly we would use Rusling as a decoy forward running his opponent out of the forward line. This gives Rus's opponent two choices. Either he stays back and helps out Anthonys opponent, leaving Rus free around the CHF, HFF or wide pocket area where he could prove dangerous; Or he sticks with Rusling and Anthony gets more space and less opponents to contest with. They could even mix it up occasionally using Anthony as a decoy forward and making it less predictable to the opposition.

For this to work however Rusling would really need to work on the defensive side of his game and learn not to be the main target. It would also require a lot of cohesion and communication between Anthony and Rus to work well - they'd have to be smart about it. One down fall of this also is that Medders goal output would likely be reduced in the process. Rus would also need to learn to work in less space and add other elements to his game (crumbing maybe /defensive pressure) before it could realistically be considered.

I see the 2nd option the more likely scenario with Rusling in the pocket. It could still work with Medhurst in the forward pocket, but like him starting on a flank then moving deeper (Just a rotational thing, would play probably 75% FP and 25% HFF). Rusling would just play as a super long leading forward and lead as far as the wings which would allot JA and Medhurst icolation situations inside 50 which they would be capable of winning.

With Dick out of the side lets not include him in our calculations for now.

My thinking is:

F: Sean Rusling (FP) Jack Anthony (FF) Leon Davis (Mid/FP) (Rotates to midfield then Medhurst goes deeper)
HF: Paul Medhurst (FP/HFF) Travis Cloke (CHF) Alan Didak (Mid/HFF) (Rotates between forward and midfield)
Rotation: Tarkyn Lockyer (HFF regular), Josh Fraser (HFF/Ruck) and Dale Thomas (Mid/HFF)


On the subject of FP/FF who? Rusling should be FP and long lead up to the wings because his accuracy on goal is poor. And Anthony is our most reliable goalkicker and performed well there for us in 2009 and will only develop further in that role with more delivery from the mids. Often there will be situations where Rusling has gone on a long lead and only JA and Medhurst will be inside 50 in this type of forward sceme which should suit us perfectly.

 

[knightwheelrqr]

Barry didn't play round 21.

All these faded memories, you guys are linking your arguments to skyhooks

Take a look at the highlights from the EF. Rus shows plenty of versatility here in a team that included such big men as Rocca, Trav and Rus. Look at Trav to Rus at 7:25, Rus on the lead at 7:06, Rus finding space at 6:55, and other highlights inlcuding contested marks at 6:40, 5:20, 5:00 and that's as far as I could be bothered going. Note the timer works backwards.

http://www.livevideo.com/video/coll...9FB20FCB605/highlights-collingwood-round.aspx

I love it how after just about every Rusling mark inside 50 we are +1 point

 

[TradeDraft]

Didn't Cometti say that Rusling Reminded him of Phil Carmen

 

[rand corp]

At this stage its Anthony by the proverbial country mile.

If Rusling can stay injury free and get back to something like his best, (albiet brief) form - then we have a real bonus with a fast leading, sure handed, accurate kicking forward pocket.

 

[Parallel Andy]

Of course both can play in the same forward line.

HF Fraser Cloke Didak
FF Medhurst Rusling Anthony

There are two crumbers there in Didak and Medhurst and with Davis roaming around I don't see the problem.

Rusling is the leading forward.

Jack plays a little deeper.

Fraser floats around the forward 50.

Cloke leads as far away from goal as possible...hehehe.

 

[jerry springer]

until the Rus strings more than 2 months of footy together he cannot be seen as a required player in our 22