No Oppo Supporters Sam Mitchell traded

[Bumpswithagrin]

Exactly, non-football factors were actually considered as a part of a football decision. I don't think we should do it for every player that walks through the door, however given his career with us I think the club should do its best to help with post playing life, even if it generates some short term pain.

If you think this was done for Sam's benefit you are in la la land, he said it himself he was blindsided by the suggestion. Sam playing out his last year at Hawthorn would be no hindrance to his post playing life. It was done to benefit Hawthorn although quite how I cannot see.

 

[Bumpswithagrin]

I know, but it's same argument that those who cannot imagine an atom split, and then be able to have it's inner constituents like protons and electrons be split again, so that we can then 'see' such fundamental particles such as quarks and gluons and muons and measure their spins.......throw their hands up in the air in disbelief of scientific explanation and suggest conspiracy and intellectual elitism meant to diminish their own lack of smarts and belief in more humble earthly explanations.

Just cause you don't understand doesn't mean anything is wrong with what has been presented.
You just don't have the knowledge to know better.

Give me some credit, we are not talking about splitting the atom here. I can't see the sense in this decision and several things don't add up.

 

[Alite]

If you think this was done for Sam's benefit you are in la la land, he said it himself he was blindsided by the suggestion. Sam playing out his last year at Hawthorn would be no hindrance to his post playing life. It was done to benefit Hawthorn although quite how I cannot see.

Sam has a contract for 2017 and so can, and may still, stay. It is his choice. How can having the choice be bad?
Anyway, back to the smurf village.. Laa lal la lal lal laaa

 

[Mitchell Madness]

If you think this was done for Sam's benefit you are in la la land, he said it himself he was blindsided by the suggestion. Sam playing out his last year at Hawthorn would be no hindrance to his post playing life. It was done to benefit Hawthorn although quite how I cannot see.

He said he was shocked that clarko gave him the option
Not that he was shocked it was considered

 

[HR Roughnstuf]

What part of 'No Opposition Supporters' do these c*nts not understand?

 

[kolchak]

If you think this was done for Sam's benefit you are in la la land, he said it himself he was blindsided by the suggestion. Sam playing out his last year at Hawthorn would be no hindrance to his post playing life. It was done to benefit Hawthorn although quite how I cannot see.

It's done for cap space, and we're obviously rebuilding.

Sam's benefit is just PR spin.

 

[Pessimistic]

If you've transitioned young kids into school, Imagine then moving them to another school after a year or so.

Is it a case of "toughen up princess?" mahbe it is, but Sam is obviously not of that opinion. Its one of the many things hes weighing up

Im finding it a bit distasteful now that the "lust" for Omeara was showinf posters quite happy to ship several names off to the gold coast, but now a player is happily suggesting west coast, its the end of the world.

Sam will make this move anyway, but the main contention seems to be he 'might' win the eagles a flag if he plays. so what?

you know stuart dew was a key part of the 2012 swans win? is that the same thing?

 

[HR Roughnstuf]

He said he was shocked that clarko gave him the option
Not that he was shocked it was considered

Yeh, nah.

He then said 'but the more I thought about it and then discussed with my wife.....'

To me that says, I was shocked because I had no desire to leave and was happy/wanted to play 2017 at Hawthorn and had just signed on for another year.

 

[HR Roughnstuf]

If you've transitioned young kids into school, Imagine then moving them to another school after a year or so.

Is it a case of "toughen up princess?" mahbe it is, but Sam is obviously not of that opinion. Its one of the many things hes weighing up

I can understand that reasoning but if he then starts moving state in a 5-10 year period (i.e. starting a senior role somewhere or perhaps another assistant role at another club) then it will be a poor reflection on this statement (not that anyone else will remember).

IMO it is much harder moving a kid in secondary school than it is in primary.

 

[Off The Couch]

Oh it was a quality melt. Not as good as ranting about how disappointing our 2015 season was - but up there.

Kudos to those who can tolerate it, I'm obviously not built from the same mould

 

[Off The Couch]

Got him on ignore?
me too, thread makes a lot more sense when you click "see ignored posts" but then you end up seeing that foolish pea hearts drivel again.

There are times I'm thinking like wtf when reading a thread but then I remember the ignored content - rarely and I mean rarely do I even bother to see what the content was that set everyone off.
Yesterday I was actually hoping they were jumping off the Hawks and would now start supporting the eagles

 

[Pessimistic]

Yeh, nah.

He then said 'but the more I thought about it and then discussed with my wife.....'

To me that says, I was shocked because I had no desire to leave and was happy/wanted to play 2017 at Hawthorn and had just signed on for another year.

Its one thing planning a large life change "in the future" its another actually doing it. Clarko says "why not do it now" you know you want to do it, but its a massive change you had as a hypothetical until now, you and your family need to adjust

 

[Pessimistic]

I can understand that reasoning but if he then starts moving state in a 5-10 year period (i.e. starting a senior role somewhere or perhaps another assistant role at another club) then it will be a poor reflection on this statement (not that anyone else will remember).

IMO it is much harder moving a kid in secondary school than it is in primary.

Probably, but as a young parent the primary one will seem like the biggest. some parents agonise for months about whether to 'hod them back another year" but thats a whole different discussion

 

[Bumpswithagrin]

It's done for cap space, and we're obviously rebuilding.

Sam's benefit is just PR spin.

Except Wright said it had nothing to do with cap space.

 

[HR Roughnstuf]

If Salary Cap is really an issue then the club should delist Roughead. Roughead didn't even play a game for the club last year!

Either that or the club can show loyalty to Roughead, and they could show some loyalty and respect to Sam, the best player in our 3-peat era and our reigning PCM.

Seriously the club ****ed up by not making hard decisions on the 30+ 4 this year. I couldn't believe it when they ALL got contract extensions and I wasn't really that excited when all the contracts were announced (mainly because I thought the club was in danger of heading down the Brisbane 2005+ where they kept their veterans too long).

But to then do an about face and to make a move on Sam??? Mitchell is not the player that should be squeezed out out of those 4.

 

[HR Roughnstuf]

Probably, but as a young parent the primary one will seem like the biggest. some parents agonise for months about whether to 'hod them back another year" but thats a whole different discussion

Yeh but as a young parent I shit myself about my baby who has just started crawling, but it's not rational.

 

[Rocket72]

If Salary Cap is really an issue then the club should delist Roughead. Roughead didn't even play a game for the club last year!

Either that or the club can show loyalty to Roughead, and they could show some loyalty and respect to Sam, the best player in our 3-peat era and our reigning PCM.

Seriously the club ****ed up by not making hard decisions on the 30+ 4 this year. I couldn't believe it when they ALL got contract extensions and I wasn't really that excited when all the contracts were announced (mainly because I thought the club was in danger of heading down the Brisbane 2005+ where they kept their veterans too long).

But to then do an about face and to make a move on Sam??? Mitchell is not the player that should be squeezed out out of those 4.

On the salary cap, I have two questions which I think might help reduce my confusion:

(1) Is the full salary of a player on the long term injury list counted?

(2) In the past, long-term one-club players had (as I recall) 50% of their contract discounted from the salary cap to encourage keeping older players. Has this changed? Or am I just making this up? ;-)

Thanks in advance

 

[Brishawk]

Hawthorn is not moving on Mitchell because of a tight salary cap. This is a fact you can take to the bank. Don't be a w***er and harp on about it because it makes you look like a Richmond supporter .

On the salary cap, I have two questions which I think might help reduce my confusion:

(1) Is the full salary of a player on the long term injury list counted?

(2) In the past, long-term one-club players had (as I recall) 50% of their contract discounted from the salary cap to encourage keeping older players. Has this changed? Or am I just making this up? ;-)

Thanks in advance

To answer your questions:
1) Yes.
2) That is over. Basically they just plonked an extra 400k into the cap.

 

[JeddaB]

Yeh, nah.

He then said 'but the more I thought about it and then discussed with my wife.....'

To me that says, I was shocked because I had no desire to leave and was happy/wanted to play 2017 at Hawthorn and had just signed on for another year.

Yeh, nah.
To me that says 'but the more I thought about it and then discussed with my wife.....'
At no point did Sam (who isn't one to mince words) say any of what you interpreted he said.

 

[Rocket72]

Hawthorn is not moving on Mitchell because of a tight salary cap. This is a fact you can take to the bank. Don't be a ****** and harp on about it because it makes you look like a Richmond supporter .


To answer your questions:
1) Yes.
2) That is over. Basically they just plonked an extra 400k into the cap.

Thanks for the quick reply! Bummer on (1) for someone like Roughy, I don't like some suggestions I've heard about delisting him but I suppose that is the pragmatic response if you have (say) $600k per year sitting on your cap not playing.

 

[HR Roughnstuf]

Yeh, nah.
To me that says 'but the more I thought about it and then discussed with my wife.....'
At no point did Sam (who isn't one to mince words) say any of what you interpreted he said.

I don't hear it your way at all.

You are the one trying to interpret what Mitchell said in another way than that which makes logical sense.

 

[JeddaB]

Thanks for the quick reply! Bummer on (1) for someone like Roughy, I don't like some suggestions I've heard about delisting him but I suppose that is the pragmatic response if you have (say) $600k per year sitting on your cap not playing.

I'd be happy to have our cap $600k lower forever if it meant Roughy never played footy again, but died of old age!

 

[JeddaB]

I don't hear it your way at all.

You are the one trying to interpret what Mitchell said in another way than that which makes logical sense.

I'm trying to interpret it some other way than what he said?

Nah bud, I'm taking everything he, Simmo and Clarko have said on face value. At no point have I said 'To me that says...', unlike yourself.
Logical sense is pretty subjective around here.

 

[Brishawk]

Thanks for the quick reply! Bummer on (1) for someone like Roughy, I don't like some suggestions I've heard about delisting him but I suppose that is the pragmatic response if you have (say) $600k per year sitting on your cap not playing.

We won't delist him. All talk is that he is recovering well and may be available to play next year.

 

[Rocket72]

We won't delist him. All talk is that he is recovering well and may be available to play next year.

Still, not a nice pressure to have on you. Seem more humane to offer clubs a discount off their cap in extreme circumstances. You could define it tightly so clubs like Sydney don't use it to wimp out of the last year or two of Buddy's contract... Not sure if it really would hep us, but just don't like the pressure on the injured player