Scott Clayton suggests three-year draftee contracts: Good idea?

[Dez!]

Just make it so players who are not Free Agents can only nominate states they want to go to when requesting a trade.

I know it won't happen because the AFLPA don't care about the league.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

I agree with him re it’s child like behaviour but I don’t agree with the 3 year deal.
Unless it is a Chris Judd type of player I wouldn’t give any 18 year old a 3 year deal. It’s a lottery the draft and there is no way I would lock in players that can’t play.
AFL clubs already take way to long to see if they can play even though they know the answer already.

 

[JB1975]

Whatever the theoretical merits of the idea, the reality is that contracts just don't mean as much as they used to. If a top prospect who was drafted to play footy on the other side of the country really can't hack living so far from friends and family, and if they can make any sort of reasonable case that their mental health depends upon heading home, then not much will be able to stand in their way.

 

[Deep]

Go start your own league then FFS.

I will and there'll be blackjack and hookers

 

[Simon_Nesbit]

1st round = 3yr contract
2nd/3rd/4th rounds = 2yr contract
5th round onwards = 1yr contract

Remove the 'rookie' list completely. Expand list sizes to 50 (incorporating rookies, internationals, etc).

 

[Kwality]

Boo hoo... during that time port travelled 30 times. As did the crows, as did freo, as did west coast. In the home and away season alone

If you’re trying to deny Melbourne based teams have a big advantage in regards to travel based on that one example you’re kidding yourself

Many simply ignore the travel component, preferring to go with the more convenient argument home ground advantage - its a two edged blade for some, less so for others.

 

[Collins-Langford-Ayres]

Build a culture with good leaders and kids will stay.

 

[telsor]

Many simply ignore the travel component, preferring to go with the more convenient argument home ground advantage - its a two edged blade for some, less so for others.

Travel, home ground, and many other things all play into it, and people emphasise what effects their team more out of self interest.

At the end of the day though, the 6 non Vic clubs that have been around since 2000 have averaged over 1 win per H&A season more than they've lost over that period, so the empirical evidence suggests the net benefit of how things are setup leans in their favor.

 

[Snake_Baker]

http://www.espn.com.au/afl/story/_/...oast-suns-scott-clayton-blasts-go-home-factor


Will an extra contracted year make any difference when it comes to retention of draftees? Does it even matter if you're getting an extra year regardless?

Thoughts?

It's rubbish.

Why not have an environment where draftees can honestly state whether they want to go interstate or not, and then have clubs respect their wishes?

I'd love to have access to some of these draft interviews. Clubs should then be able to negotiate pre-draft trades based upon these wishes.

 

[Scodog10]

IMO, Clayton and the Suns should be more concerned with fixing the back office than whinging for rule changes to enforce players to stick around!

A quick glance at Brisbane should be enough. It’s early days, but you can already see the impact that quality off-field staff in Fagan, Noble and Swan have had on that organisation.

This is just a diversionary tactic because he’s done a poor job and the only players I can name that they’ve lost to “homesickness” were Bennell and Caddy. Ablett, Dixon, O’Meara and Prestia left because the Suns were/ are s**t.

 

[Kwality]

Travel, home ground, and many other things all play into it, and people emphasise what effects their team more out of self interest.

At the end of the day though, the 6 non Vic clubs that have been around since 2000 have averaged over 1 win per H&A season more than they've lost over that period, so the empirical evidence suggests the net benefit of how things are setup leans in their favor.

What an interesting stat, interesting conclusion that it proves anything at all, particularly in isolation.

 

[Kwality]

Build a culture with good leaders and kids will stay.

Reality is home sickness is more severe for some than others.
The agent effect is also in play, move for more money works for them.

 

[dean33]

And yet Melbourne based teams have won 9 out of the last 10 premierships, go figure.. minimal travel, plays at home for the GF but yes we have the leg up

Obviously interstate teams need to get better at what they are currently doing. No good winning enough games through the home and away season if you haven’t got the metal to win on the big stage when it matters. Vic clubs took stock during the period 97-06 when interstate clubs won 8 of the 10 flags. Now it’s time for interstate clubs to try and get better, the comp can’t continually drip feed you.

 

[AM]

If any given club can't make a player feel like it's 'home' in two years they don't deserve to keep him.

The reality is the overwhelming majority of players don't move so it's fixing something that ain't broken.

 

[eastfreo75]

In the NBA, teams have rights to drafted players for four years.

The team have the right to delist at any time.

My idea would be drafted players should get a guarantee 2 years with two option for the club.

 

[Kwality]

If any given club can't make a player feel like it's 'home' in two years they don't deserve to keep him.

The reality is the overwhelming majority of players don't move so it's fixing something that ain't broken.

Easily said and true for the majority, not all & therein lies the problem.

 

[eastfreo75]

If any given club can't make a player feel like it's 'home' in two years they don't deserve to keep him.

The reality is the overwhelming majority of players don't move so it's fixing something that ain't broken.

Most of the time it's the girlfriend.

The player has the club for support and friendships.

When the player plays interstate which is 10 times, the girlfriend doesn't have family or long time friends and they don't have their partner for 2 days.

Very lonely for them.

 

[eastfreo75]

Travel, home ground, and many other things all play into it, and people emphasise what effects their team more out of self interest.

At the end of the day though, the 6 non Vic clubs that have been around since 2000 have averaged over 1 win per H&A season more than they've lost over that period, so the empirical evidence suggests the net benefit of how things are setup leans in their favor.

Heard of median vs average?

 

[pazza]

Most of the time it's the girlfriend.

The player has the club for support and friendships.

When the player plays interstate which is 10 times, the girlfriend doesn't have family or long time friends and they don't have their partner for 2 days.

Very lonely for them.

Or in the case of some, the facilities to make them want to stay.

 

[Upgrayedd]

Homesickness isn't going to help if you lock them away for the extra year.

 

[telsor]

What an interesting stat, interesting conclusion that it proves anything at all, particularly in isolation.

In isolation?

It is the cumulative result of all the factors involved, calculated across 6 teams and more than a generation of players, and is far more objective and conclusive than random whining about having to get on a plane.

 

[telsor]

Heard of median vs average?

Now you're just being mean

Feel free to go do a complete statistical workup.

Or you can keep making anecdotal and claims about only those elements that you want highlighted while ignoring everything else.

 

[Kwality]

In isolation?

It is the cumulative result of all the factors involved, calculated across 6 teams and more than a generation of players, and is far more objective and conclusive than random whining about having to get on a plane.

Tip for you, there are 18 clubs in the comp.

The problem jumping on the plane is the recovery.

 

[schmuttt]

Rather than the length of the deal what if 5% of your wage is outside the cap whilst you stay at the club you were drafted to?

 

[Power Raid]

3 year contracts will just make clubs more complacent

reduce it to 1 year contracts!