Scott Morrison - How Long? (Part 1 - Continued in Part 2)

[Andrew Birch]

Maybe if he didn't run off on holiday the fires would be smaller

It's all good, he can just blow them all out like birthday candles now that he's back.

 

[Father Jack]

Nice strawman

How was that a strawman? The poster in question was accusing the publication of being hypocritical, I merely pointed out that it isn't hypocrisy for the same publication to have two contributors with differing opinions.

 

[Andrew Birch]

Sorry, but you’re not entitled to a break as a PM while natural disasters are occurring. If that is too hard for you and your kids you should quit. Abbott, Howard, Gillard etc would never take a holiday in this situation. I don’t like Abbott in general but I would have no questions about his leadership during an event like this.

It is incredibly poor leadership and form by Scott Morrison. I am sick of the deflections, arrogance (ie sneaking off to Hawaii and having your staff lie about it) and lack of vision. God is guiding him alright, guiding him towards being the worst leader in our history.

What is it with leftists and feeling completely helpless without big govt to hold your hand every step of the way?

 

[Father Jack]

According to leftists, all Murdoch publications are the same.

But yeah, the Guardian is the worst of the worst.

Is that meant to be a rebuttal of something?

 

[Kwality]

Projecting their own shit on you is the unhinged far right's standard tactic

Whatever they accuse others of, they are guilty of it.

There is basically a major anti-social movement in western democracy right now, their behaviour mirrors that of sociopaths/psychopaths, project/deflect/bullshit/destroy and delight in it all

The far left, the far right have exactly the same tendency, knuckle dragging !! Not cool dude.

For example:

• Takeover by far left turned party into unelectable ‘glorified protest movement’, says ex-PM
• “The far left that has taken over the Labour party … If they’re in charge of the Labour party going forward, then I think the Labour party is finished.”

Ditch Corbyn's 'misguided ideology', Tony Blair urges Labour

Takeover byTakeover by far left turned party into unelectable ‘glorified protest movement’, says ex-PM

www.theguardian.com

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Morrison missed a bullet when Get Up showed Tony Abbott the door - IF he were still in parliament he'd be every bit as divisive as failed PM Turnbull wants to be.

 

[TimmeT]

How was that a strawman? The poster in question was accusing the publication of being hypocritical, I merely pointed out that it isn't hypocrisy for the same publication to have two contributors with differing opinions.

Cause you are arguing Andrew Birch has a view which he does not hold. You have gone from taking his post specifically about a certain publication to being about all publications which he clearly has not said

 

[Ok Boomer]

What is it with leftists and feeling completely helpless without big govt to hold your hand every step of the way?

This has absolutely nothing to do with left or right. I didn’t vote for Labor because I found some of their more identity based policies to be disgusting. This is purely to do with piss poor leadership and I don’t know how anyone can defend it.

 

[hamohawk1]

Its december and the fire danger is gonna rear its head until march-april. Possible other big issues that could happen in the next couple of months: Murray Darling fish kill, National Energy Market shi*s itself after days/weeks of intense demand, water shortages, cylcone season, and thats just the environmental items. Highly likely the 'independent' reserve bank decides to cut rates twice more but does nothing to stimulate the economy forcing scomo to push forward further tax cuts which again dont stimulate the economy, noting this also cuts government revenue and it could be a bloody stormy ship. Also who knows whats going on with the price of iron ore and China's economy.

 

[Kwality]

Did you wanna hear about my portfolio?

Hope you havent been conned into a solar farm that cant be connected to the grid.

Been told there are a couple of wind farms that keep the rotors rotating:

Wind Energy: Advantages and Disadvantages

large.stanford.edu

How about AGL, they're playing the field off the break, but can it last?

 

[CM86]

Cause you are arguing Andrew Birch has a view which he does not hold. You have gone from taking his post specifically about a certain publication to being about all publications which he clearly has not said

You and Andrew Birch need to actually read the posts you respond to...

Jack is talking about the single 'certain publication'...

Two different writers, who have written two different opinion pieces at different times on the Guardian...

One is Katharine Murphy. The other is Paula Matthewson. Both articles are from the single publication.


Try reading, instead of being outraged and cheerleading.

 

[Ok Boomer]

Its december and the fire danger is gonna rear its head until march-april. Possible other big issues that could happen in the next couple of months: Murray Darling fish kill, National Energy Market shi*s itself after days/weeks of intense demand, water shortages, cylcone season, and thats just the environmental items. Highly likely the 'independent' reserve bank decides to cut rates twice more but does nothing to stimulate the economy forcing scomo to push forward further tax cuts which again dont stimulate the economy, noting this also cuts government revenue and it could be a bloody stormy ship. Also who knows whats going on with the price of iron ore and China's economy.

More interest rate cuts would be a disaster but they seem to be inevitable. This is despite robust iron ore prices, already record low rates and with a dollar that hasn’t been this low on a consistent basis since the GFC.

Pathetic economic management

 

[Navyblues09]

Now he's at CFA headquarters talking about the surplus. Jesus he's dumb.

That’s a bit odd to visit Victoria when it’s NSW burning, the only fires here are in the middle of nowhere and the area burns every year

 

[JackOutback]

This has absolutely nothing to do with left or right. I didn’t vote for Labor because I found some of their more identity based policies to be disgusting. This is purely to do with piss poor leadership and I don’t know how anyone can defend it.

Can you point me to the policies of identity politics that you find disgusting. There is a tendency to assign far left thought bubbles to Labor when they are never actually policy of any kind. Labour is a pretty centrist party, in lock step with the Libs on a lot of things.

 

[Cooldude]

Imagine thinking Labour's left

 

[Kwality]

More interest rate cuts would be a disaster but they seem to be inevitable. This is despite robust iron ore prices, already record low rates and with a dollar that hasn’t been this low on a consistent basis since the GFC.

Pathetic economic management

I fear you are spot on, the days when the Reserve Bank had a lever called interest rates are as far gone as inflation.
Cant help but think the obsession with the surplus is 'pain in the short term' holding back for handouts until mid 2020 ... it would need to work because real estate prices are on the way up again, & its only State Government coffers that will benefit then.

Got any suggestions Boomer?

 

[SSwans2011]

An interesting point that relates to the bitch a few certain posters, that regularly talk about a global conservative movement, had about The Guardian earlier...

 

[Noobz0r]

Greens are the combative left, not Labor. It's just that the liberals are being driven so far right that the center is being labelled as "lefties" these days.

 

[SSwans2011]

Greens are the combative left, not Labor. It's just that the liberals are being driven so far right that the center is being labelled as "lefties" these days.

Only takes a look at former liberals like John Hewson and Malcolm Fraser (of all people) to confirm this too.

 

[Kwality]

Imagine thinking Labour's left

Now thats progressive thinking, Labor (did) have working class core values ... binary?

“In making the case for action on climate change, some Australians and people in Queensland in coal felt that was at the expense of jeopardising their jobs. Labor will always be a party who supports full employment and blue-collar jobs,” Mr Shorten said.

“What happened though is in the election for some people it became a ‘either you’re for climate change or you’re for those (blue-collar) jobs’ and Labor did get the messaging wrong in that we allowed that binary conflict to dominate over the need to take real action on climate change and to create good, ongoing jobs in the future.”

 

[Ok Boomer]

I fear you are spot on, the days when the Reserve Bank had a lever called interest rates are as far gone as inflation.
Cant help but think the obsession with the surplus is 'pain in the short term' holding back for handouts until mid 2020 ... it would need to work because real estate prices are on the way up again, & its only State Government coffers that will benefit then.

Got any suggestions Boomer?

I don’t think the surplus will be the political boon that the Liberals will hope for because of how the economy is. In a low rate environment, it isn’t as important anyway.

The problem is that government spending is already contributing overs to GDP growth. I would be bringing forward more tax cuts with a newstart and DSP increase because the biggest weaknesses in our economy currently are confidence and consumption. I would consider making the tax cuts like the LMITO that was introduced this year so you can turn the tap off if you need to.

House prices are the biggest dilemma. When they dropped last year and this year there is no doubt that this smashed confidence in the economy, yet there is no doubt in my mind that they are too high in Sydney and Melbourne, and they are going the wrong way. I don’t have any solutions for this. Interest rates going up would help this, but wouldn’t help small businesses.

 

[Deliverance]

I fear you are spot on, the days when the Reserve Bank had a lever called interest rates are as far gone as inflation.
Cant help but think the obsession with the surplus is 'pain in the short term' holding back for handouts until mid 2020 ... it would need to work because real estate prices are on the way up again, & its only State Government coffers that will benefit then.

Got any suggestions Boomer?

Removing negative gearing??

 

[Kwality]

Greens are the combative left, not Labor. It's just that the liberals are being driven so far right that the center is being labelled as "lefties" these days.

How did that play out in the last election ... though I've got to admit the way the Union movement has lost relevance might have something to do with rejection by middle Australia IF thats the centre you are eluding to.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

geez some guys really struggle with the simple concepts of demarcation and authority

The military is a government department and deployed in times of war under the guidance, authority and instruction of the federal government.

The fire service is deployed under the guidance, authority and instruction of the state government.


You're much smarter than that Lunchlady......surely?

You're so far off it's amusing.

 

[Kwality]

Removing negative gearing??

& that'd do what in terms of the economy?

I'm not against limiting its use but it needs to be a considered decision, not ideological IMHO.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

You asked a question which asked why i should justify voting for morrison based on what stuff he has been doing and done 6 months after an election. You then got told that that is completely irrelevant to why I vote for someone and that all that is relevant is why I voted for him on the day of polling which is when I cast my vote. You then got all offended with the fact I wouldn't give you what you wanted

Yes, you have this bizarre idea that once someone votes for a politician, that chapter is closed and the politician can do whatever the phuc they want and is under no obligation to fulfill any of their pre-election promises (which, admittedly, were pretty meagre in Morrison’s case), until they’re next held to account in three years’ time.

Quite bizarre.

Ask around and you’ll find your viewpoint is not widely held at all.

You are clearly a bit odd.