Scott Morrison - How Long? Part 2

[chelseacarlton]

Please tell us more. I’m bored with this thread and how quiet it is. Maybe when NSWCROW gets out of bed it might get interesting.

What more do you want?

 

[Gough]

It's mainly one guy, so I apologise.

By all means continue with your one man campaign of mock outrage aimed in my direction but sadly it seems even multiple fatalities isn't enough to budge the government on climate policies, how many deaths will it take?

 

[Balls In]

So we've already seen the weight of opinion around the world that goes against your statement here - while you're ranting about a few cheques that went to dead people.

Is there more, or do we just add you to our ignore lists from here on in?

I cant really be bothered arguing with people who post UN articles stating that Australia survived the GFC better than most economy's is evidence Labor is a good economic manager. Ignores our massive surplus and trillion dollar construction boom that was still in full swing, also the record terms of trade we were still experiencing.

Its that position of strength that got Australia through the GFC and its that position thst Labor managed to reverse completely through their ineptitude (other thn the terms of trade). Even at the time any idiot could see Labor overcooked the cash splash because they love giving away free stuff. That is what is killing us even now.

 

[Kram]

You don't even know what I believe - I just pointed out your statement was extremely anecdotal.

Well no shit, it's 100% anecdotal. Doesn't mean it is wrong either. I will also point out that it's from a large sample but again as I said right from the start it is only from one group of Christians the SDA church.

 

[Father Jack]

that doesnt mean people dont discuss or comment about issues or things qhich happen outsode this forum either.now does it?

So if no one on here makes the point that you want to argue against, you just go and find it somewhere else, don't say you found it somewhere else, and then go and argue against it whilst everyone on here has no idea what you're on about? Great debating strategy, m8

 

[donkeypunchd]

Home affairs warned Australian government of growing climate disaster risk after May election

Exclusive: department’s brief said ‘coordinated national action’ was needed to ward off increasing disruptions

www.theguardian.com

A report issued by Home Affairs (yes, Dutton’s people) shortly after the May election emphasised the risk of natural disasters arising from climate change and recommended urgent action to mitigate the risk. As one can see in the org chart posted above, this report assigns the Prime Minister co-equal responsibility for managing a crisis with state premiers. On the face of it Morrison has been negligent in his failure to assist the states with additional resources, and that’s according to his own government’s criteria, not Labor or left-wing politicians

 

[Kram]

By all means continue with your one man campaign of mock outrage aimed in my direction but sadly it seems even multiple fatalities isn't enough to budge the government on climate policies, how many deaths will it take?

I dunno, how many died back in 2008-09? Wonder how you posted about it back then...

 

[TimmeT]

I dunno, how many died back in 2008-09? Wonder how you posted about it back then...

this though is the same poster who will convieniently overlook the fact that the greens actually voted against labors renewable energy plan when the coalition was last out of office.

 

[Father Jack]

Being a grown up, I am just stating the reality.

The bushfires are nature's way of burning off.

You don't seem to understand that there will be no massive buildup of flammable materials left in the firezone when these fires burn themselves out.
The bush will take decades and a couple more prolonged droughts to regenerate the flammable buildup to what we are coping with today.

Once upon a time all primary children knew this - how old are you?

It's hard to reply to this level of dangerous bullshit without including personal insults so I'll leave it at that.

 

[Balls In]

Oh and who can forget the RSPT that introduced sovereign risk to our mining industry, linking forecast revenue to inceased welfare? Nationised mining that raised no money and cost billions more than it raised. Genius! And how many billions did open borders cost? That was a good one too. But yeah Labor are great economic managers...

 

[sherb]

By all means continue with your one man campaign of mock outrage aimed in my direction but sadly it seems even multiple fatalities isn't enough to budge the government on climate policies, how many deaths will it take?

Ah, so you are the alleged offender Gough. Not buying the accusation in that case.

 

[sherb]

It's hard to reply to this level of dangerous bullshit without including personal insults so I'll leave it at that.

Yes, if that were the case, it makes you wonder why humans even bother trying to prevent or combat bushfires.

May as well just stand back, watch and let Mother Nature do her job.......

 

[Kwality]

The have pictures in front of a church is to appeal to voters who rate religion as important. Scomo is more active than that but the issue is that his brand of Christianity is non mainstream, perceived to be divisive, has rules that permit and encourage the accumulation of wealth (counter to gospel) and whose current leader is more interested in shiny new buildings than helping actual disadvantaged

Given the hostility to religion on display here is standing in front of a church
likely to have a positive effect at the ballot box ?
i'm of the view it must be a positive, certainly not the negative portrayed in this thread, just a non event.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

I cant really be bothered arguing with people who post UN articles stating that Australia survived the GFC better than most economy's is evidence Labor is a good economic manager.

That's a pretty lazy way to dismiss my post. There were a number of other authors and quotes. I'm not sure what your problem with Fabrizio Carmignani is, but he got his PhD in Economics from the University of Glasgow.

Ignores our massive surplus and trillion dollar construction boom that was still in full swing, also the record terms of trade we were still experiencing.

If you bothered to read Fabrizio's article, he actually addresses this perfectly for you:

'Of course, one can always claim that Kevin Rudd and Julia Gillard have no merits and that this strong performance is entirely attributable to factors other than domestic economic policy. But such a claim is not substantiated by facts and data. In fact, I want to give here an account of a little experiment which in my view indicates that Labour governments had a lot to do with the good economic performance of Australia in 2008-2012/13.'

He then explains his extremely in-depth analysis which helps him arrive at this conclusion:

'What was the key contribution of the Rudd (and Gillard) government? My opinion is that the great merit of the government was to adopt a strongly counter-cyclical fiscal policy stance. Certainly, to some extent Australia did benefit from a stable and strong demand of resources from Chinese manufacturing, but the fiscal expansion that started in 2008 was the right move at the right time.

In conclusion, I can only go back to where I started: there are simply no empirical foundations to the statement that Rudd (and Gillard) mismanaged the economy. In fact, the data tell exactly the opposite story.'

Its that position of strength that got Australia through the GFC and its that position thst Labor managed to reverse completely through their ineptitude (other thn the terms of trade). Even at the time any idiot could see Labor overcooked the cash splash because they love giving away free stuff. That is what is killing us even now.

Sorry, you'll have to back up these vague statements with some evidence.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

thats the way keep abusing people who dont agreevwith you. you can tell youre a good lefty if you act like that.

Oh yes, it's well established that right wingers always conduct themselves with impeccable decorum and dignity, isn't it?

 

[Kram]

Ah, so you are the alleged offender Gough. Not buying the accusation in that case.

lol, you are going to be disappointed.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

rofl never realised that posting unsupported anti scott morrison personal opinions attacking him were the example of verifiable facts, showing logic and not cases of you barracking


thanks for the free entertainment

Again with the barracking. Where have I posted unsupported opinions? It may make you feel good to claim that, but it's not true.

Where is Greta Thunberg wrong on the science? That is what so infuriates people like you. All she does is quote the science, and that goes to the core of your delusion.

What pleasure do you derive from posting such values-free dross?

Like I said a few pages back, do you seriously think a single person is going to be convinced of the rightness of your beliefs by the sort of deliberately obtuse rubbish you post on here?

 

[hamohawk1]

Chances Scotty from Marketing doesnt make a surplus next year (largely due to climate change + natural disasters leading from climate change), and the Murdoch press simply change the dialogue back to African Gangs?

 

[GuruJane]

It's hard to reply to this level of dangerous bullshit without including personal insults so I'll leave it at that.

The bushfires are nature's way of burning off.

You don't seem to understand that there will be no massive buildup of flammable materials left in the firezone when these fires burn themselves out.
The bush will take decades and a couple more prolonged droughts to regenerate the flammable buildup to what we are coping with today.?

Do you deny this? What's dangerous about it?

 

[Gough]

Ah, so you are the alleged offender Gough. Not buying the accusation in that case.

I'm also a firebug who needs to be monitored by the old bill which should give you some idea of how laboured the point has become.

 

[ExcitementMachine]

I dunno, how many died back in 2008-09? Wonder how you posted about it back then...

Alp has had a climate policy.

 

[twotooto]

If I'm to be honest, leadership during natural disasters doesn't by itself normally have much effect on a politician's electoral prospects (e.g. - Anna Bligh's leadership during the 2010/11 QLD floods did nothing for her in the 2012 QLD election).

His handling of this might be one of many things that eventually turns the Australian public off him, not unlike with Tony Abbott - but that remains to be seen.

Yeah, I think if he was present it would not have necessarily helped him but by choosing to go on leave and then the way that he's handled the fallout since(could he come across any more petulant and insincere?) will hurt him quite a bit.

Also reckon if he doesn't knock the growing focus on volunteers being compensated on the head in the ASAP i.e. yesterday he's really setting himself up for a mauling(and rightly so IMO).

Reckon the QLD Premier has also had a shocker by deciding to go on leave in a crisis. Any potential political capital gained by the PM's howler is damaged by her decision(insert rhetorical IMO here).

 

[Noobz0r]

Once upon a time all primary children knew this - how old are you?

Science changes.

 

[Crankyhawk]

Given the hostility to religion on display here is standing in front of a church
likely to have a positive effect at the ballot box ?
i'm of the view it must be a positive, certainly not the negative portrayed in this thread, just a non event.

Bigfooty community (as a whole) is not the audience they seek; older churchgoers/ traditional values types. While those against religion aren’t going to generally have this as a vote against button unless extreme version eg religious right to discriminate bill

 

[Noobz0r]

Bigfooty community (as a whole) is not the audience they seek; older churchgoers/ traditional values types. While those against religion aren’t going to generally have this as a vote against button unless extreme version eg religious right to discriminate bill

There is a generational war on its way. I can't wait.