Scott Morrison - How Long? Part 2

[TimmeT]

That doesn’t mean climate change isn’t an issue or are you that stupid?

weve had lefties going wahhh these fires are a cause of climate change correct action needs to be done now by the government where in actual fact many of these fires have been started by arson and actually have nothing to do with climate change solely like these leftists have been moaning about.

 

[TimmeT]

Some shocking opinions you've got there. Have a read.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd and Treasurer Wayne Swan ... saved the country. Australia was the only developed nation not to go into recession during the global financial crisis but the ignoble response from Opposition leaders Malcolm Turnbull and Tony Abbott (who soon replaced him) to the stimulus and borrowing required sowed the seeds for the difficult times the country now faces.

~ Pádraig Collins, Irish economics writer, 2017

The great merit of the (Labor) government was to adopt a strongly counter-cyclical fiscal policy stance. The fiscal expansion that started in 2008 was the right move at the right time … There are simply no empirical foundations to the statement that Rudd and Gillard mismanaged the economy. In fact, the data tell exactly the opposite story.

~ Fabrizio Carmignani, United Nations economist, 2013

‘Australia has navigated the global recession brilliantly ... there's no other developed country that's done half as well. If you made a list of the developed countries that have done well in this recession, Australia is at the top.’

~ Anirvan Banerji, Economic Cycle Research Institute, New York, 2009

‘Kevin Rudd ... put in place one of the best-designed Keynesian stimulus packages of any country in the world. He realized that it was important to act early, with money that would be spent quickly, but that there was a risk that the crisis would not be over soon. So the first part of the stimulus was cash grants, followed by investments, which would take longer to put into place. Rudd’s stimulus worked.’
~ Professor Joseph Stiglitz, Colombia University, Nobel Prize winner

“I think the Australian response to the crisis was well-judged and highly successful. It’s depressing, though understandable, that the Australian public doesn’t realise what a good job was done and what a bullet we dodged.”
~ Professor John Quiggin, University of Queensland’s School of Economics

‘The effectiveness of our stimulus was due to both the size of its measures and the speed with which they were introduced. The targeting of households and schools (on which work can be undertaken rapidly) also contributed to the speed of its effect. So it seems the design of the stimulus is critical.’

~ Christopher Stone, research director, Centre for Policy Development, 2013

‘The Australian Treasury estimates that without the stimulus packages the unemployment rate would have been forecast to peak at 10 per cent rather than 8½ per cent. With the stimulus, there are estimated to be up to 210,000 more people with jobs.’

~ Dr Steven Kennedy, Treasury General Manager, 2009

Australia's high level of political stability and governance is maintained, which supports the country's attractive business climate ... Australia has remained one of the strongest performing economies in the AAA universe since the global financial crisis began’.

~ Fitch credit rating agency, London and New York, 2013.

opinions right. really no different then from those who think that the policies were wasteful.

 

[kirky]

weve had lefties going wahhh these fires are a cause of climate change correct action needs to be done now by the government where in actual fact many of these fires have been started by arson and actually have nothing to do with climate change solely like these leftists have been moaning about.

You are stupid!

You don’t get it, are you that dim witted?

Do you need it pointed out to you what climate change is all about?

 

[TimmeT]

You are stupid!

You don’t get it, are you that dim witted?

rofl i am pretty sure you dont get it you twit. lefties and environmental activists have blamed the fires cause on climate change when environmental factors never started many of them. not my fault those sharing your political persuasion cant decipher the fact that fires were not all solely dorectly caused by climate change like is being claimed by some people. amazingly ot is these type of lefties who are the first to have a beef when others post dodgy facts.

 

[kirky]

rofl i am pretty sure you dont get it you twit. lefties and environmental activists have blamed the fires cause on climate change when environmental factors never started many of them. not my fault those sharing your political persuasion cant decipher the fact that fires were not all solely dorectly caused by climate change like is being claimed by some people. amazingly ot is these type of lefties who are the first to have a beef when others post dodgy facts.

You are the definition of stupid.

Climate change is ensuring a drier climate in Australia. You know what that means for this country.

I don’t expect you to understand.

Was always told me never to argue with idiots.

 

[TimmeT]

You are the definition of stupid.

Climate change is ensuring a drier climate in Australia. You know what that means for this country.

I don’t expect you to understand.

Was always told me never to argue with idiots.

well done ****** good to see what i wrote went straight over your head.

never said climate change did not have an impact on the fires did i? however what i actually said was many of the fires werent caused by climate change as people particularly lefties have claimed wrongly.

 

[ExcitementMachine]

well done ****** good to see what i wrote went straight over your head.

never said climate change did not have an impact on the fires did i? however what i actually said was many of the fires werent caused by climate change as people particularly lefties have claimed wrongly.

It's been suggested that terrorists will also light fires in the future but you'd be an idiot not to acknowledge that climate change has nothing to do with creating an environment for the perfect storm.

And with climate change it's only going to get worse. For a 'righty' like yourself that's all a bitter pill to swallow for all the wrong reasons

 

[TimmeT]

It's been suggested that terrorists will also light fires in the future but you'd be an idiot to suggest that climate change had nothing to do with creating the environment for the perfect storm.

And with climate change it's only going to get worse. For a 'righty like yourself that's all a bitter pill to swallow.

i never suggested climate change was not involved in the fires have a read of my last post above idiot.

 

[Father Jack]

i never suggested climate change was not involved in the fires have a read of my last post above idiot.

The point is not how the fires started, I don't think anyone has explicitly blamed the actual cause of the fire on climate change, it's just that once fires start (which are pretty much inevitable) they are more likely to rage out of control due to the conditions which have been exacerbated by climate change. You are arguing against a point no one has made, ie a strawman.

 

[TimmeT]

The point is not how the fires started, I don't think anyone has explicitly blamed the actual cause of the fire on climate change, it's just that once fires start (which are pretty much inevitable) they are more likely to rage out of control due to the conditions which have been exacerbated by climate change. You are arguing against a point no one has made, ie a strawman.

Actually yes this point that climate change started these fires has been made multiple times in Melbourne on radio, in public and even by people I know

 

[GuruJane]

Never thought I'd say this, but the ad hom towards conservative voices and unhinged vitriol directed at PM Morrison in this thread is starting to give the TDS thread a run for it's money.

The Left/Greens are desperate to get Morrison Derangement Syndrome going.

But Scott is too grown up for them.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

weve had lefties going wahhh these fires are a cause of climate change correct action needs to be done now by the government where in actual fact many of these fires have been started by arson and actually have nothing to do with climate change solely like these leftists have been moaning about.

Seriously dopey.

Ignoring the role of climate change in bushfires is like claiming the whole of World War I was an argument over a single gunshot in Sarajevo.

You do grasp the difference between immediate factors (arsonists) and underlying factors (climate change) do you?

Actually, I doubt you do.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

The Left/Greens are desperate to get Morrison Derangement Syndrome going.

But Scott is too grown up for them.

Footy season is still several months away but here you are barracking already.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

That doesn’t mean climate change isn’t an issue or are you that stupid?

That stupid.

 

[TimmeT]

Seriously dopey.

Ignoring the role of climate change in bushfires is like claiming the whole of World War I was an argument over a single gunshot in Sarajevo.

You do grasp the difference between immediate factors (arsonists) and underlying factors (climate change) do you?

Actually, I doubt you do.

ROFL right so the fact that fires were deliberately ignited now means they were caused by climate change .You do grasp the difference between fires being started by human ignition and by environmental/climate change factors right?

 

[TimmeT]

Footy season is still several months away but here you are barracking already.

You've been barracking for the anti LNP/Morrison team since the election. Wouldn't whinge about others barracking.

 

[Rustin Cohle]

ROFL right so the fact that fires were deliberately ignited now means they were caused by climate change .You do grasp the difference between fires being started by human ignition and by environmental/climate change factors right?

Holy shit, this has to be some kind of satire, surely?

When you hear complaints about how “the left talks down to people” this is the level of intellect being dealt with.

 

[GuruJane]

The point is not how the fires started, I don't think anyone has explicitly blamed the actual cause of the fire on climate change, it's just that once fires start (which are pretty much inevitable) they are more likely to rage out of control due to the conditions which have been exacerbated by climate change. You are arguing against a point no one has made, ie a strawman.

That's rubbish.
The conditions have been caused by the huge buildup of uncontrolled flammable material in the firezone over several decades.
The reason it has not been controlled is because doing it effectively would require hours and weeks and months of manhours. Cost would be through the roof.
Basically, this being Australia, we have to wear ot.

But once these fires have burnt themselves out, the area they cover could be free of bad bushfire for 50 years.

 

[Father Jack]

Actually yes this point that climate change started these fires has been made multiple times in Melbourne on radio, in public and even by people I know

So you were countering a point on here against people in this forum that was made somewhere else completely? No wonder you are getting some pretty mystified replies.

 

[Father Jack]

That's rubbish.
The conditions have been caused by the huge buildup of uncontrolled flammable material in the firezone over several decades.
The reason it has not been controlled is because doing it effectively would require hours and weeks and months of manhours. Cost would be through the roof.
Basically, this being Australia, we have to wear ot.

But once these fires have burnt themselves out, the area they cover could be free of bad bushfire for 50 years.

So your solution is to ignore all the expert advice and let everything burn because that way it can't be burnt again? Jesus, I can see why you get so soundly mocked on here

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

ROFL right so the fact that fires were deliberately ignited now means they were caused by climate change .You do grasp the difference between fires being started by human ignition and by environmental/climate change factors right?

Knew I was wasting my time.

I actually said the exact opposite.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Probably different for other churches but the only Christians I've really known well are Seven Day Adventists, can't recall them ever even mentioning gays let alone constantly hating on them.

This has to be the flimsiest anecdotal evidence I've ever seen. Amazing.

 

[TimmeT]

So you were countering a point on here against people in this forum that was made somewhere else completely? No wonder you are getting some pretty mystified replies.

missed the bit where you said noone on this forum/bigfooty.

 

[TimmeT]

Knew I was wasting my time.

I actually said the exact opposite.

did you?

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

You've been barracking for the anti LNP/Morrison team since the election. Wouldn't whinge about others barracking.

Except that I don’t barrack. I post verifiable facts and can show my logic.

The only place I barrack is at the SCG.

On the other hand, even though it’s been established that you’re unable to give a single reason to be satisfied with Morrison’s performance since May, you’re still on here day and night arguing for him. The very definition of barracking.