Scott Thompson- Seen as Trade Bait by Some

[Eggzoi]

myman, that post was brilliant. Thankyou.

Scotty T. forever!

 

[fightingdreamer88]

They say stats can be twisted to work in anyone's favour and with that post I am very suspicious; Nathan Lonie wtf???

 

[Drummond]

I must say if he wants to be captain he can't be crumbling when his side needs him the most.

Thompson always stands up when the side needs him the most.

I mean look at his games from Rounds 20-22 when we couldn't lose a game. Was BOG against Collingwood for crying out loud. Thompson is a big game player and that's one of the best things about him, is that you can count on him when it matters.

Can't believe that comment.

 

[mymansyd]

myman, that post was brilliant. Thankyou.

Scotty T. forever!

Cheers mate, we need to get behind Scotty in his 'time of need'.

Excuse my typo...

Lance Franklin (Jaw) 31%

 

[Mad Dog]

nice post mymansyd - certainly adds some perspective.

I have been one of those who were bitterly bitterly dissapointed with Scotty's performance against the Hawks. 10 clangers from 34 possessions.

but there's no question this year has been a good year and he is starting to play somewhere near the level of consistency we hoped he would.

With Goody and Edwards winding down their careers over the next few years - it will be up to Thommo to bring the next batch through with him.

Thoughts of trading him are ridiculous - no wonder we are mocked in the media....

 

[mymansyd]

They say stats can be twisted to work in anyone's favour and with that post I am very suspicious; Nathan Lonie wtf???

I thought the same thing... I even re-checked my figures! I guess Champion data doesn't allocate a clanger for 'moments of indecision'.

 

[fightingdreamer88]

Thompson always stands up when the side needs him the most.

I mean look at his games from Rounds 20-22 when we couldn't lose a game. Was BOG against Collingwood for crying out loud. Thompson is a big game player and that's one of the best things about him, is that you can count on him when it matters.

Can't believe that comment.

Nonono, I'm not talking about the game as a whole, I'm talking about those moments in games that effectively determine a result; captains need to be able to do the job at those times, and Thommo didn't against the Hawks. He needs to tidy up on it.

 

[jenny61_99]

This is what really annoys me. You bag Thompson for his kick and yes he shouldn’t have kicked it on the full, but without him against the Hawks we wouldn’t have even stood a chance to win the game. His stats for the match:

• 34 possessions- led team
• 5 inside 50’s- led team
• 7 clearances- led team

People see him make a clanger and think to themselves he must go and we would be better off without him. Without Thompson we would be losing a heck of a lot more than just the odd clanger. It’s a shame some people can’t seem to notice this.


How comforting!

You left out the little fact about the 8 clangers he made!

 

[Mad Dog]

You left out the little fact about the 8 clangers he made!

so you think he should be traded ?

 

[maccas_no1]

nice post mymansyd - certainly adds some perspective.

I have been one of those who were bitterly bitterly dissapointed with Scotty's performance against the Hawks. 10 clangers from 34 possessions.

but there's no question this year has been a good year and he is starting to play somewhere near the level of consistency we hoped he would.

With Goody and Edwards winding down their careers over the next few years - it will be up to Thommo to bring the next batch through with him.

Thoughts of trading him are ridiculous - no wonder we are mocked in the media....

Thompson, Reilly and Van Berlo are going to be the key midfeilders going forward, but after that it looks very thin. Midfeild development will be important over the next two years.

 

[Adelaide Crow]

What is this rubbish about Thommo being trade bait. He will never leave the Crows. I don't want him too either. He is a gun and when the likes of Edwards and Goodwin leave, he'll be our main man in the middle.

The reason why the Crows got him in the first place is becasue he wanted to leave Melbourne and come back home.

 

[baaaallllll]

Thompson, Reilly and Van Berlo are going to be the key midfeilders going forward, but after that it looks very thin. Midfeild development will be important over the next two years.

totally agree.

 

[Dandy_GO]

They say stats can be twisted to work in anyone's favour and with that post I am very suspicious; Nathan Lonie wtf???

Being soft as shite doesn't count towards the clanger count.
Lonie has very good disposal. He wouldn't be on an AFL list if his kicking wasn't elite. Being just about the defintion of "reciever", he gets a heck of a lot of his touches out in space, under little pressure, so he's far less likely to give away free kicks or rush his kicks/handpasses.
I'm not at all surprised to hear he has a low clanger rate.

 

[BlackDouglas]

Excuse my typo...

Lance Franklin (Jaw) 31%

At lease you put the 'A' before the 'E'

 

[crows4always]

Ok, so I know I'm in the minority, but I think he is tradeable. He is a good player, but he is also a stupid player. The worst thing about the errors he makes is that he doesn't learn.
The OOF against Hawthorn was a shocker, but really came as no surprise. When I saw him mark it I closed my eyes. You see it was in a game a couple of weeks before that he had almost the same situation. Game on the line, mark from kick out on boundary line. That day he waited until the ump called play on, stood motionless until the players on the mark came at him, and then handballed at the feet of someone running past with three players on him. He barely even made contact with the ball! The team (Geelong I think) picked it up and run forward to kick the game sealer.

That's two clangers that cost games from the same situation. Not exactly encouraging for the future.

Hoving said this however, I wouldn't trade him for a 2nd round pick! I would be willing to part with him if it gave us something significant in return.

I don't know what planet you are on, but definitely NOT FOR TRADE.

 

[crowsarethebest]

Being soft as shite doesn't count towards the clanger count.
Lonie has very good disposal. He wouldn't be on an AFL list if his kicking wasn't elite. Being just about the defintion of "reciever", he gets a heck of a lot of his touches out in space, under little pressure, so he's far less likely to give away free kicks or rush his kicks/handpasses.
I'm not at all surprised to hear he has a low clanger rate.

Yeah. Both Lonies have very good disposal.


Thommo has had a very very good year. Would be top 3 B&F at least. Hes 24 and heading into his prime. He has improved every year since he has been here. Next year he just has to cut down his clangers and he'll be an absolute machine

 

[jenny61_99]

I'd like to know what they classify as a clanger then... because there are two players on our list that make countless clangers every game and are not in our worst 5!!!!

 

[jenny61_99]

so you think he should be traded ?

Nope, and I said so on page 1 of this thread!

Just pointing out an interesting stat that had been accidentally left off the list!

 

[mymansyd]

I'd like to know what they classify as a clanger then... because there are two players on our list that make countless clangers every game and are not in our worst 5!!!!

There's an entry on Wikipedia believe it or not!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clanger

 

[Crow-mo]

There's nothing like facts. Thanks Dyertribe.

Let's focus on this one...

2nd in Errors per Game

This is true, but I think it is more important to focus on 'clanger rates' rather than total clangers. For example, if Player A has 5 clangers during a game from 20 possessions, then his clanger rate is 25%, if Player B has 5 clangers during a game from 10 possessions, then his clanger rate is 50%.

To give strength to this argument, here is a list of players who - like Scotty - previously had the second-most clangers count in a season-:

2006 - Daniel Kerr
2005 - Luke Hodge
2004 - Barry Hall
2003 - Luke Darcy
2002 - Simon Black
2001 - Adem Yze
2000 - Scott West
1999 - Shane Crawford
1998 - Chris Scott

I would have thought these were all pretty fair players, and only due to sheer weight of possessions was their clanger count so high, a la Scott Thompson this year.

So then, here is a list of the top 10 best and worst clanger rates for 2007 for both Adelaide and the AFL. I've restricted players to only those that played a minimum of 11 games (half the season).

2007 AFL Worst Clanger Rates

Daniel Motlop (Port) 35%
Lance Franklin (Jaw) 31%
Brendan Fevola (Carl) 29%
Simon Taylor (Haw) 29%
Anthony Rocca (Coll) 29%
Simon Prestigiacomo (Coll) 29%
Chris Bryan (Coll) 27%
Setanta o'hailpin (Carl) 27%
Paul Medhurst (Coll) 27%
Luke Darcy (WB) 27%

Crows' Worst Clanger Rates

Jonathan Griffin 25%
Brett Burton 24%
Jason Porplyzia 20%
Ben Hudson 19%
Ian Perrie 18%
Scott Stevens 17%
Nathan Bock 16%
Richard Douglas 16%
Scott Welsh 15%
Scott Thompson 15%. In summary, not as bad as 9 other team mates, but has the second highest clanger rate (behind Douglas) for midfielders at our club.

2007 AFL Best Clanger Rates

Stephen Salopek (Port) 6%
Jay Nash (Ess) 7%
Brad Fisher (Carl) 7%
Graham Johncock (Adel) 7%
Daniel Wells (Kang) 7%
Robert Harvey (StK) 7%
Kris Massie (Adel) 7%
Stephen Gilham (Haw) 7%
Nathan Lonie (Port) 7%
Luke Blackwell (Carl) 8%

Crows' Best Clanger Rates

Graham Johncock 7%
Kris Massie 7%
Robert Shirley 8%
Simon Goodwin 8%
Nathan Bassett 8%
Ben Rutten 9%
Andy McLeod 9%
Tyson Edwards 10%
Micky Doughty 10%
Nathan Van Berlo 11%

In-Betweeners: Chris Knights 11%, Torney 12%, Mattner 12%, Reilly 12%.

excellent bit of analysis.

 

[jenny61_99]

There's an entry on Wikipedia believe it or not!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clanger

Well then I reckon the stats are wrong!

 

[Dixie Flatline]

Would love Thompson at the Hawks, but he wouldn't come back to Melbourne given he left the Dees for the "go-home" factor.

One of my favourite players outside the Hawks (even when he helped to tear us a new one at AAMI Stadium in Round 14).

 

[-VC-]

There's an entry on Wikipedia believe it or not!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clanger

A clanger should not be confused with an ineffective disposal. Clangers are direct turnovers. Ineffective kicks may result in a turnover, but are not necessarily clangers. Usually an ineffective kick (or handball) may hit the ground and bounce over a team mates head, or something like that. They are a lot more common than clanger kicks (or handballs).

 

[Mismatched]

Whoever created this rumour about scott thomson must seriously be bored and wanting a bit of entertainment or just have no idea about football. thomson is not going anywhere, not even Rucci has been dumb enough to even publish this rumour and he would be the first to make it surface. He is a quality player and has this year started to step up and take over from the fab four (now three), whilst the three are still going strong and i reckon have at least 3 years left in them, we must keep players like thomson. I have serious doubts about future captain, his brain fades at crucial moments in games, eg the elimination final, rule him out i think, at these stages the captain must have a clear head and choose the right option, thomson does not do this. Thomson is not going anywhere.

 

[finn]

I am sick of writing about the Orient, Occident, Said, Qutb, bin Laden and Islamist terrorism as a form of praxis related to Postcolonialism, so I will fritter away more valuable time prior to tomorrow's deadline here. Ah sweet catharsis...

i'd have thought that it is praxis related to economic imperialism (assumed or otherwise) couched in Manichean discourse myself.

thompson of course does make some errors but seems to have been better this year than last.