Whjat as opposed to you who says that it is better to be around a bunch of far lefties than far righties even though the far lefties are as extreme as the far righties.
Should Australia adopt anti-hate group (nazi) laws?
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On one hand I agree but we already have laws outlawing certain types of organisations. Terrorist organisations for example. The Nazi Party's crimes were decades ago but they woukd still classify as a terrorist organisation. Most of these w***ers aren't running an Australian Nazi Party though and outlawing a name would just see then create a different name to associate under.
So in short, nah don't ban them. Put these idiots on a watch list though and squash them the minute they step out of line.
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You clearly don't understand the difference between being anti-Jew and being against what Israel is doing in the ME.
For instance, Bernie Sanders is a jew but is quite vocal in criticising the Israeli Regime and its tyranny against the Palestinians.
So when ANTIFA attends events which have nothing to do with Nazi's like they have done significantly till now it makes your question really redundant.
ANTIFA is renown for attending events and protesting organisations and using violence to do so, simply for the fact that they don't align with their political position. They are dangerous.
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How many hate crimes and terrorism incidents can be traced back to Antifa in recent times?
How many hate crimes and terrorism incidents can be traced back to Far Right wing types in recent times (Roof, Brevik, McVeigh etc)?
If Antifa members were driving cars into crowds of people, arming themselves with semi-auto rifles and gunning down churches and kids groups, or blowing up Federal buildings, we could talk.
Its certainly possible to draw an equivalence between Antifa and Far Right wing groups they oppose, but lets be real here. Those Far Right idiots are a far more dangerous and pervasive threat than Antifa. They come in second (after Islamic terrorism) as the most dangerous nutters and biggest terrorist threat out there.
Which is unsurprising as Islamic Fundamentalism is itself a form of Far Right wing ultra-conservative thought.
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Ignoring some of the disgusting scenes of nazi salutes and what not during this rally which obviously should be condemned and IMO just ignored so it doesn't get any more airtime.
This is all caused by the fact that talking about immigration and the future of this country has now been painted automatically racist by the far left. It's no secret that immigration rates are at an unsustainable level, yet whenever someone brings it up they are shouted down as racist. Geez, even when the current libs announced they will be slightly reducing the rate there were these disgusting Antifa and other groups holding protests saying it's 'racist'.
Yes Australia was built on immigration, and the government has done sweet * all about infrastructure, but does that mean just continuing to pour people in forever?
Yes Australia had high immigration in the 80's and 90's, yet our major cities still had room for major expansion.
Whilst these rallies are unacceptable, the far left are partly to blame for causing this political culture we have now where literally everything is offensive to the point nobheads like the ones in the StKilda rally gather and get airtime. Unfortunately opinions and facts hurt feelings sometimes.
This is all caused by the fact that talking about immigration and the future of this country has now been painted automatically racist by the far left. It's no secret that immigration rates are at an unsustainable level, yet whenever someone brings it up they are shouted down as racist. Geez, even when the current libs announced they will be slightly reducing the rate there were these disgusting Antifa and other groups holding protests saying it's 'racist'.
Yes Australia was built on immigration, and the government has done sweet * all about infrastructure, but does that mean just continuing to pour people in forever?
Yes Australia had high immigration in the 80's and 90's, yet our major cities still had room for major expansion.
Whilst these rallies are unacceptable, the far left are partly to blame for causing this political culture we have now where literally everything is offensive to the point nobheads like the ones in the StKilda rally gather and get airtime. Unfortunately opinions and facts hurt feelings sometimes.
So if we are going to refer to examples like McVeigh then you have no problem pretty much with cases like Revolutionary Organization 17 November, Revolutionary People's Liberation Party/Front and Grapo among others. These were just some of the violent left wing organisations and consisted of multiple members unlike the attack at Charlottesville and Roof's which were by sole attacker.
Then there are other organisations involved in hate crime such as BAMN. Even the body who visited Tucker Carlson's house late last year is also being investigated for hate crime (s).
So don't say that the far right is solely responsible for recent examples of extreme hate crimes when the far left has had a number of examples equally as abhorrent.
Then there are all the minor crimes one should look at at events where ANTIFA attend. Things like the fact that they are often responsible for starting the fights or for random cheap attacks on people protesting who have no interest in engaging in violence.
To try and discount the actions of ANTIFA or their violent or criminal behaviour is simply wrong and disingenuous. Furthermore it seems you are willing to ignore and/or try to shift attention away from them onto the opposing side because they align with your political position.
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Wow. How thick do you have to be to think its either extermination of the jews or support israel
Wanna actually point them out and make a case why you think they are? Or is it too hard for you and is it easier to be just like those other mentally challenged lefties who can only shout things like homophobe and racist when presented with things they dislike and cannot counter through reasons
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Oh please
Population growth, immigration and infrastructure issues are legitimate political topics and are discussed endlessly. To suggest they’re not being discussed is ridiculous.
Google “immigration infrastructure” and you’ll see endless articles under the news section. Nobody is stopping this debate.
Blaming the left for racism is ******* ridiculous.
Here’s an opening quote from Saturday from the organiser of the rally:
“These African hoodlums are going ’round raping and pillaging,”
Which is false, of course.
This has nothing to do with immigration. It’s about racism. Swap any African migrant for 3 white migrants and they’d be happy.
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Not a bad idea. At least it would muzzle the bitching and moaning from the left, especially the acadameia.
Do you have evidence to support the fact that everyone who went to the right wing rally is a nazi? Or is this just you making assumptions again.
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Nazis and Not Nazis (antifa types)
Different ideologies
Different methods
Same basic outcomes wanted
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Mate, if Australia had groups like FARC and so forth (actual so called Left wing militants) then I would absolutely support laws to prohibit/ target them. Ditto if Antifa posed some actual terrorist or militant threat (and to date, there have been zero hate crimes, mass murders or terrorist incidents attributed to Antifa).
So we agree. Should Antifa go militant and start murdering people, I support calls for the Government to go after them.
Now can we focus for a bit on the Right wing terrorists, hate criminals and mass killers that cling to Far Right wing political ideals, and are actually killing people, radicalising people on the internet, engaging in terrorism and persecuting people based on race, religion, creed and so forth for a bit?
You do yourself no favors in your constant defense of Nazis, far Right wing militants and terrorists and mass murdering hate criminals mate. Lets talk about those guys for a bit yeah?
What should be done about them?
If you meant the left does not want to acknowledge or confront Islamic terrorists, you are going ok.
Where are these right wing killers and there is no antifa? As usual with your posts high levels of political correctness, not much substance.
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An interesting article relating to extremist violence in Australia:
https://aic.gov.au/publications/tandi/tandi491
Whenever considering policy or legislative change, the argument first has to be made that existing measures are insufficient - has that been made to sufficient extent?
https://aic.gov.au/publications/tandi/tandi491
Whenever considering policy or legislative change, the argument first has to be made that existing measures are insufficient - has that been made to sufficient extent?
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Anders Brevik, Dylan Roof, Timothy McVeigh, Robert Bowers (Pittsburg Synagogue shooting) just off the top of my head. There have been others.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...a6b4d25cfbb_story.html?utm_term=.d2b30a89a01e
Antifa oppose these nutjobs. Instead of cheerleading Far right nuffies (simply becuase you yourself hold right wing views) how about we try and be objective here?
