Politics Should Australia become a Republic?

[Cap]

The High Court would have to find that the Governor-General's actions violated the Australian Constitution.



The King is the head of state. The Governor-General exercises the monarch's reserve powers in Australia, if necessary. The reserve powers do not belong to the office of Governor-General, but the Governor-General is authorised under the Australian Constitution to exercise those powers.

as I said, I'll love to see it tested.

Hopefully we rid ourselves of the British aristocracy and its loyal sevants well before that.

 

[Roylion]

as I said, I'll love to see it tested.

See what tested exactly? As I said, the High Court would have to find that the Governor-General's actions violated the Australian Constitution. That didn't happen in 1975.

Hopefully we rid ourselves of the British aristocracy and its loyal sevants well before that.

I'm an Australian citizen both by birth and upbringing, as were my parents. I prefer a system of constitutional monarchy to that of a republic.

 

[Cap]

I'm talking about the system of constitutional monarchy.

Yes , we know.

My preference is for an Australian head of state

Yours is for a wealthy aristocratic family from the UK.

Everyone is very aware of that.

But it was you who used the term 'dictator'. A dictator has far more power to actually rule than a constitutional monarch has. The monarch does not make laws. Australia is without a doubt a democratic country

Yes Australia is a democracy

With the head of state of a former dictatorship, thats had its powers limited for sure.

The monarch is not the 'oldest living member of the British aristocracy'.

'Yeah sorry that was meant to be family.

That special family you want to be the Head of State of our country. A bit like how MAGA just want Trump only

Treated differently by who?

by the British, like the last time a non-white person got too close to the Crown....

 

[Cap]

See what tested exactly? As I said, the High Court would have to find that the Governor-General's actions violated the Australian Constitution. That didn't happen in 1975.

Yes we are aware of your thoughts.

But you are clearly not any court. (Edit - but also it would be an interesting case that would create dialogue and potentially open up other questions, but personally don't want to get to that point if we are being fair here)

I'm an Australian citizen both by birth and upbringing, as were my parents. I prefer a system of constitutional monarchy to that of a republic.

Yes, I am aware people like you exist.

its sad but there you are.

 

[Cap]

On a serious note though, surely everyone agrees that a constitutional crisis bought about by the GG using reseved powers would be an fundamentally interesting court case.

Don't get me wrong, but a great place to be must likely, but it would be interesting

 

[Roylion]

But you are clearly not any court.

So what's to be tested in the High Court exactly?

Yes, I am aware people like you exist.

its sad but there you are.

It's not 'sad' at all.

That's called a democracy. Freedom of opinion and the right to express that opinion in a public forum are fundamental rights of citizens of this country.

 

[Cap]

So what's to be tested in the High Court exactly?

As I just mentioned, I'd love to see the GG use their reserve powers and it be tested in court.

All laws or rules should be tested, who knows what comes out.

It's not 'sad' at all.

That's called a democracy. Freedom of opinion and the right to express that opinion are fundamental rights of citizens of this country.

Of course you are. Like people have the right to dislike vanilla ice cream

I can find both those things sad.

 

[The Punter]

I see this discussion is still going round n round lol

Because the facts haven't changed nor the opinions of those involved.

 

[Roylion]

As I just mentioned, I'd love to see the GG use their reserve powers and it be tested in court.

The only court that use of the reserve powers by the Governor-General could be challenged in is the High Court which plays a central role in interpreting the Australian Constitution. Any use of the reserve powers by the Governor-General would have to be found by that Court to have violated the Australian constitution.

 

[Roylion]

I can find both those things sad.

That people like me exist?

 

[Cap]

That people like me exist?

that people like you cling to the past is more accurate.

But i know some people who were part of the former USSR who still year for it

The only court that use of the reserve powers by the Governor-General could be challenged in is the High Court which plays a central role in interpreting the Australian Constitution. Any use of the reserve powers by the Governor-General would have to be found by that Court to have violated the Australian constitution.

that's great if thats what happens.

I want the test (but probably not the problems that are required for that test to occur)

 

[Roylion]

that people like you cling to the past is more accurate.

Being of the view that a system of constitutional monarchy is superior / preferred to that of a republic is not clinging to the past. I've explained why I hold this view. I am, for example, opposed to absolute monarchies, as well as theocracies, oligarchies, and authoritarian one party states.

But i know some people who were part of the former USSR who still year for it

That's nice. But that has little to do with what I am arguing.

 

[Reg Grundy35]

I want a republic now mainly because of Roylion and his ilk. FMD!

 

[Roylion]

I want a republic now mainly because of Roylion and his ilk. FMD!

Do you? I want a constitutional monarchy because I think the existing system is better than a republic.

 

[Reg Grundy35]

Do you? I want a constitutional monarchy because I think the existing system is better than a republic.

ive already formed my opinion of your position. I hardly need you to reinforce it further.

 

[Roylion]

ive already formed my opinion of your position. I hardly need you to reinforce it further.

You made your opinion clear about why you want a republic. Simply because I didn't want one. That's now your main reason it appears. Therefore I reiterated my opinion about why I preferred a constitutional monarchy. My reasons for that are far more than being simply based on the fact that you don't.

 

[evolved2]

Has either side offered an additional public holiday yet?

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Do you? I want a constitutional monarchy because I think the existing system is better than a republic.

Come on man, they can't even agree what day the King was born. How could they possibly decipher the constitution?

 

[Roylion]

Come on man, they can't even agree what day the King was born.

Where are you getting this from?

The King's Birthday public holiday isn't meant to correspond to the date of the monarch's actual birth. In Victoria the King's Birthday is on the second Monday in June, the main reason being so that public holidays are more evenly spaced out throughout the year. In WA the governor proclaims the date of the holiday each year, which is usually the last Monday of September or the first Monday of October.

In the UK before 1936 the holiday was the actual King's birthday (3rd June for George V and 23rd June for Edward VIII. Since then, the public holiday for the monarch's birthday is usually the second or third Saturday in June to hopefully coincide with good weather for outdoor ceremonies.

In Canada the public holiday for the monarch's birthday is the 24th May. This was set by proclamation in 2023.

How could they possibly decipher the constitution?

Who? The courts?

 

[Reg Grundy35]

Where are you getting this from?

The King's Birthday public holiday isn't meant to correspond to the date of the monarch's actual birth. In Victoria the King's Birthday is on the second Monday in June, the main reason being so that public holidays are more evenly spaced out throughout the year. In WA the governor proclaims the date of the holiday each year, which is usually the last Monday of September or the first Monday of October.

In the UK before 1936 the holiday was the actual King's birthday (3rd June for George V and 23rd June for Edward VIII. Since then, the public holiday for the monarch's birthday is usually the second or third Saturday in June to hopefully coincide with good weather for outdoor ceremonies.

In Canada the public holiday for the monarch's birthday is the 24th May. This was set by proclamation in 2023.


Who? The courts?

seriously . the king can heck off.sooner the better

 

[Roylion]

seriously . the king can heck off.sooner the better

I've already formed my opinion of your position. I hardly need you to reinforce it further.

 

[Reg Grundy35]

I've already formed my opinion of your position. I hardly need you to reinforce it further.

what makes you assume i was talking to you?

 

[Carringbush2010]

seriously . the king can heck off.sooner the better

 

[Carringbush2010]

what makes you assume i was talking to you?

Well you did reply directly, that's usually a fair assumption.

 

[Reg Grundy35]

you can drive him. **** the king and all his inbred family