Should Labour split with the CMFEU?

[Power Raid]

Who in their right mind re-enters a relationship, after 8 years apart, with a known rapist and DV abuser?

Worse, bares a child with this mentally unstable person who had threatened lives?


This is a CV for a horrible person rather than someone deserving of an Order of Australia.

Such a shame the kid paid the huge price for her poor decisions and put her sexual and relationship needs above those of a rational person. Purely selfish.

 

[skybeau]

Who in their right mind re-enters a relationship, after 8 years apart, with a known rapist and DV abuser?

Worse, bares a child with this mentally unstable person who had threatened lives?


This is a CV for a horrible person rather than someone deserving of an Order of Australia.

Such a shame the kid paid the huge price for her poor decisions and put her sexual and relationship needs above those of a rational person. Purely selfish.

Meanwhile in opposite world...

What an appalling post. Yep, it's all Rosie's fault that her son died. Amazing she didn't face charges for that, practically murder.

Shameful.

 

[Present Not Past]

The Union movement is more important than any one individual.
His name will soon be forgotten.

 

[Mofra]

That’s the curious thing, although I wouldn’t suppose Shorten is has a hand in it, more those who were hoping to be elevated in the wake of his victory are disgruntled that 1. they didn’t win, and 2. that Albanese is now leader.

Think Kimberley Kitching.

Albanese isn't beholden to the Vic factions the way Shorten was.
CFMEU collectively hate Rudd because he took steps to reduce union influence on the ALP. I'm no Rudd fan but it was one of the positive things he did.

Setka is a complete grub and simply has to go. I doubt he even has wide CFMEU appeal, the no-ticket no ride policy mans there are CFMEU members who only join so they can get on site.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Labor leaders turning on union people.

It just goes to show how far the party has been white-anted and remove from it's traditional representative base.

The working people of Australia need to find representation elsewhere now. Something will eventually emerge, and when that happens the political landscape of this country will see a radical shift that it has never encountered before.

 

[Bomberboyokay]

Who in their right mind re-enters a relationship, after 8 years apart, with a known rapist and DV abuser?

Worse, bares a child with this mentally unstable person who had threatened lives?


This is a CV for a horrible person rather than someone deserving of an Order of Australia.

Such a shame the kid paid the huge price for her poor decisions and put her sexual and relationship needs above those of a rational person. Purely selfish.

Another Thai rescue moment from our Elon.

 

[GoldenSky]

Who in their right mind re-enters a relationship, after 8 years apart, with a known rapist and DV abuser?

Worse, bares a child with this mentally unstable person who had threatened lives?

This is a CV for a horrible person rather than someone deserving of an Order of Australia.

Such a shame the kid paid the huge price for her poor decisions and put her sexual and relationship needs above those of a rational person. Purely selfish.

Yes I mean it's horrible the tragedy that befell her with the death of her son...I wouldn't wish that upon anyone...but the life choices on display are just outrageously stupid and should not be glorified by the Australian media.

 

[GoldenSky]

Labor leaders turning on union people.

It just goes to show how far the party has been white-anted and remove from it's traditional representative base.

The working people of Australia need to find representation elsewhere now. Something will eventually emerge, and when that happens the political landscape of this country will see a radical shift that it has never encountered before.

Yes...OK Setka may have said this but you can bet that many union members across Australia would think similarly.

Like I said previously, Albo risks looking like a free speech dictator to protect a far-left totem right in the middle of his "listening tour" of working class Australia. Too funny. His far-left roots showing clearly.

 

[Snake_Baker]

The gullible Rosie Batty has been disgracefully manipulated & abused by people whose only interest was in politically cashing in on the publicity surrounding her saga.

It's disgusting.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Yes...OK Setka may have said this but you can bet that many union members across Australia would think similarly.

Like I said previously, Albo risks looking like a free speech dictator to protect a far-left totem right in the middle of his "listening tour" of working class Australia. Too funny. His far-left roots showing clearly.

"Far-left" is a poor & outdated use of terminology IMO.

He's actually facilitating middle class political indulgences.

 

[its free real estate]

The gullible Rosie Batty has been disgracefully manipulated & abused by people whose only interest was in politically cashing in on the publicity surrounding her saga.

It's disgusting.

Yes, I feel sorry for the poor woman, it is obvious her grief has been manipulated by people wishing to make a political point.

There is a phenomenon, I can't recall what it is termed, where the more contentious a public event / public figure is, the more it is slavishly defended by partisans. The UVA rape case reported in the Rolling Stone is cited as the shining example - completely false story, but it signalled better allegiance to tribe to state you believed in it more than making arguments around more convincing cases.

Albanese isn't beholden to the Vic factions the way Shorten was.
CFMEU collectively hate Rudd because he took steps to reduce union influence on the ALP. I'm no Rudd fan but it was one of the positive things he did.

Setka is a complete grub and simply has to go. I doubt he even has wide CFMEU appeal, the no-ticket no ride policy mans there are CFMEU members who only join so they can get on site.

Many reasons to punt Setka, what is curious now is both the reason and timing. It looks like a setup to force Albanese into a confrontation.

Also, Rudd's positive thing for the ALP has yielded what exactly? Losing elections.

 

[Mofra]

Many reasons to punt Setka, what is curious now is both the reason and timing. It looks like a setup to force Albanese into a confrontation.

Also, Rudd's positive thing for the ALP has yielded what exactly? Losing elections.

Leadership issue (harder to roll leaders)
Began the divestment from the union movement.

I don't think you can entirely blame Rudd for losing the last election.

 

[its free real estate]

Leadership issue (harder to roll leaders)

I don't think this is a good thing.

Began the divestment from the union movement.

An entirely bad thing, sets Labor on course to be a minority party like social democratic parties in Europe.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Many reasons to punt Setka, what is curious now is both the reason and timing. It looks like a setup to force Albanese into a confrontation.

Isn't that ultimately the choice of the union members?

 

[Gough]

Who in their right mind re-enters a relationship, after 8 years apart, with a known rapist and DV abuser?

Worse, bares a child with this mentally unstable person who had threatened lives?


This is a CV for a horrible person rather than someone deserving of an Order of Australia.

Such a shame the kid paid the huge price for her poor decisions and put her sexual and relationship needs above those of a rational person. Purely selfish.

Same with those kids that Pell f**ed, they shoulda just kept away from him. Outrageously poor choices, feel sorry for them but they chose to be catholic.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Same with those kids that Pell f**ed, they shoulda just kept away from him. Outrageously poor choices, feel sorry for them but they chose to be catholic.

You are without doubt Bigfooty.com's most elite shark jumper.

 

[go you pups]

After John Setka's misogynistic comments and Queensland CMFEU only backing pro-Adani candidates, is it time for Labor to split from the CMFEU?
My prediction is that if Labor stay in bed with the pro-coal CMFEU, votes will drift to the Greens, making Labor even more unelectable.

Yet if Labor splits with the CMFEU then surely someone like One Nation pounces on the CMFEU

Doesn't matter what way Labor go, they'll lose a voting faction.

Labor seriously can not win in any shape or form under this current political climate.

How many more serious **** ups can the LNP get away with before being held to account? Watergate, Palladin, GBR Foundation, AFP press freedom raids etc, yet Labor do the honourable thing and potentially get hammered for it...

 

[go you pups]

Will defect to LNP

Lolololololol

Absolutely fat chance they will, the LNP hates unions

One Nation or independent they'd go

 

[Gough]

You are without doubt Bigfooty.com's most elite shark jumper.

It was no more ridiculous than the post I quoted. I suspect for many here they are torn between their distaste for the union movement and their distatste for Rosie Batty.

 

[Socrates2]

Labor leaders turning on union people.

It just goes to show how far the party has been white-anted and remove from it's traditional representative base.

The working people of Australia need to find representation elsewhere now. Something will eventually emerge, and when that happens the political landscape of this country will see a radical shift that it has never encountered before.

Lol, at least Albanese has some principals. If you think Union people are going to vote Liberal you're mistaken.

 

[its free real estate]

Yet if Labor splits with the CMFEU then surely someone like One Nation pounces on the CMFEU

Doesn't matter what way Labor go, they'll lose a voting faction.

Labor seriously can not win in any shape or form under this current political climate.

How many more serious **** ups can the LNP get away with before being held to account? Watergate, Palladin, GBR Foundation, AFP press freedom raids etc, yet Labor do the honourable thing and potentially get hammered for it...

One Nation very unlikely so long as Hanson leads it (Hanson is fundamentally a nasty small business owner, someone who tells little children off for making too much noise out the front of her shop, and hates everyone she's had to employee as being greedy).

But if Latham engineers a takeover and places like the Hunter and Central Queensland continue to eschew Labor but remain working class, there is a definite fit there.

 

[Nuggs Bunny]

Lol, at least Albanese has some principals. If you think Union people are going to vote Liberal you're mistaken.

They just did.

 

[go you pups]

What were Setka's misogynistic comments? So far I've only seen comments about his comments.

Something about Rosey Batty not being good for men's rights, he's got a track record of assault convictions and has harrassment charges at the moment.Another example of power corrupting someone imo.

I'm also out of the loop here, the MSM hasn't really reported exactly what was said, just a summary

A summary isn't good enough for mine in regards to identifying the significant damage of Setkas comments

I'm in favour of removing the union's as a voting block within the alp, but I'm in the minority

Most see the historical ties with the union's from the parties founding as something that should not be forgotten or abandoned

If the LNP gets rid of the likes of Murdoch and the IPA who basically act as a union for them, then sure

Otherwise no, only 15-20% of the country would vote Labor then if you alienated a large voting base instead of the 30-40% it currently gets.

Don’t know why Labor can’t accomodate these kinds of people. Ideological purity leads you down the path of becoming a minority party, and therefore never governing again.

Considering the LNP/ON do it fairly successfully I agree somewhat, though those right leaning parties have a massive advantage from a compliant media not holding them to account.

Labor and Albanese/Setka need to come up with middle ground here, not a messy split that could cause further divide.

I think over the last 10 years there has been a disconnect between news ordinary Australians consume, and then "news" pushed by extremely "liberal" journalists in the far left media.

I'd say I keep up with news more than 99% of Australians do. But even I have noticed this disconnect in the news I consume myself.

"Rosie Batty" falls into this second category. I understand some horrible tragedy befell her a few years ago, where her husband killed her son. Why however she has become a totem for the far-left is beyond me, such that Albo is wanting to appear as a free-speech dictator.

Mr Setka said her work has led to men having less rights. Hardly something worthy of this over-the-top far left reaction.

Lol at the MSM being left leaning...

Your point on Batty/Albo/Setka fair enough, you're entitled to that view. Batty has unnecessarily been dragged into this imo, Albo and Setka are both too stubborn for their own good for mine.

Seems like Labor just wants to sweep him out of the union and this is a convenient excuse.

Wouldn't surprise me, but both Albanese and Setka are going about it the wrong way, stubborn *****.

If both had Labors best interests at heart, Setka would've resigned and Albanese wouldn't have gone down this public path, potentially further damaging peoples opinions on unions.

Are you being sarcastic?

No.

I thought it was a fair enough question from IFRE

 

[Socrates2]

They just did.

No they didn't it was the Chistians, the racists and a those with a vested interest in coal.The Queensland Labor candidates were pro-coal.

 

[go you pups]

One Nation very unlikely so long as Hanson leads it (Hanson is fundamentally a nasty small business owner, someone who tells little children off for making too much noise out the front of her shop, and hates everyone she's had to employee as being greedy).

But if Latham engineers a takeover and places like the Hunter and Central Queensland continue to eschew Labor but remain working class, there is a definite fit there.

Agree on Latham

His knowledge on both sides would be advantageous here