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Should Mitchell Johnson bat at seven?

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Nope.

He can bat at 8 and i'm happy. He's NOT an allrounder, he's handy with the bat though.

He has earnt the number 8 spot ahead of lee now though.
 
Not yet.

I don't think it is time yet to put that much burden on him. Going from 8 to 7 is going from 'try your best and if you make runs, great', to 'we expect you to make runs regularly'.

Why not allow him a little more time to gain confidence on our upcoming away tours?

He has only batted at Test level around 20 times. If he continues to show good composure for his next 20 innings at 8, then it might be time to give him the gig at 7.

Just my 2c.
 

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Is this thread about demoting Haddin to eight?

Or is it about promoting Haddin to six and picking five bowlers?
 
If you are picking a genuine all-rounder he'd bat ahead of Johnson. But if they do feel they need a bowler (front line extra like Hilfenhaus) then Johnson could bat 7. Would I do it, I'd trial it against weaker sides first. Not against South Africa yet.
 
bombersno1 said:
If you are picking a genuine all-rounder he'd bat ahead of Johnson. But if they do feel they need a bowler (front line extra like Hilfenhaus) then Johnson could bat 7. Would I do it, I'd trial it against weaker sides first. Not against South Africa yet.
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There is such a thing as a bowling all rounder you know? We did actually get 455 against the best bowling attack in the world and the allrounder did sweet FA again. Bowling is our biggest current problem.

Haddin can move up to six, and Clarke is ready to step up to four.

Hussey had better pull his finger out or be replaced by his brother at five.
 
He has the potential to be an all-rounder, that is about it at this stage in my view.

He simply hasn`t made enough scores of note to be regarded in that class yet.

Today`s knock of 64 was not only his highest Test score, it was his highest first-class score as well.

I`d certainly have him at eight, but no higher than that.
 
Mario the Lothario said:
There is such a thing as a bowling all rounder you know? We did actually get 455 against the best bowling attack in the world and the allrounder did sweet FA again. Bowling is our biggest current problem.

Haddin can move up to six, and Clarke is ready to step up to four.

Hussey had better pull his finger out or be replaced by his brother at five.
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Name your bowling all-rounder- there are barely any of tehm in Australia bar Noffke who is out for the season with injury.
 

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Jesus, talk about over-reacting.

Is Hauritz now an all-rounder too?

He actually batted 6 on first-class debut and has penty of grade level tons to his name.

Mitch has improved, but an all-rounder he isn't.
 
Mario the Lothario said:
There is such a thing as a bowling all rounder you know? We did actually get 455 against the best bowling attack in the world and the allrounder did sweet FA again. Bowling is our biggest current problem.

Haddin can move up to six, and Clarke is ready to step up to four.

Hussey had better pull his finger out or be replaced by his brother at five.
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If we are not bowling sides out, I am not convinced that five bowlers is going to do any better a job than four.

Given that, I don`t know if I would be prepared to upset the balance of the side, when batting has been a problem as well this series.

Remember, the top order against South Africa has been fairly ordinary at times.

And whilst I know Haddin has batted up in the order for NSW, I am not convinced that he has the temperament to hold down a top six spot in the order yet.

I might be old-fashioned, but I would still prefer six batsmen, keeper and four bowlers, with part-timer bowlers in the top six (Hussey, Clarke, Katich) to put their hands up for some overs. As the attack gets more experienced, you would hope that they would get more penetrative.

I know when I grew up with the Australian side, you had guys like Stackpole, Walters, Ian and Greg Chappell in the top six who would often have a trundle when needed. (Although I would admit that Walters and Greg Chappell in particular were better than part-time bowlers).
 
bombersno1 said:
It is more on potential, exactly why I don't want him at 7. I'd rather a batsman who can bowl (North) or an allrounder (Butterworth/Watson)
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Two of those players wont take wickets at test level and the other one never gets out of the physios office.
 
Mario the Lothario said:
There is such a thing as a bowling all rounder you know? We did actually get 455 against the best bowling attack in the world and the allrounder did sweet FA again. Bowling is our biggest current problem.

Haddin can move up to six, and Clarke is ready to step up to four.

Hussey had better pull his finger out or be replaced by his brother at five.
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Agreed. Clarke is magnificent under pressure now, he's ready to take 4. That way when everyone's falling down around him, he'll have more time to bat and make a big score.
 

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fairdinkum said:
Not yet.

I don't think it is time yet to put that much burden on him. Going from 8 to 7 is going from 'try your best and if you make runs, great', to 'we expect you to make runs regularly'.
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Pretty much sums up my feelings. Also if he wants to become an all rounder he will need to spend more time on his batting but what he needs to spend more time on is getting his outswinger going. And once again I'll point out that India tried to make Pathan into an all rounder pretty much same potential as Johnson with the bat, he made runs but his bowling went down hill. He had the potential to be a real good bowler too, but hes now wasted.
 
Only if we introduce another player who is just as capable with him with the bat, who can also bowl. There isn't many options around when our best genuine all rounder in Shane Watson is injured.
 
Mario the Lothario said:
FFS, It's not like I'm expecting him to bat at six.

I think you guys are missing the fact that we need to take 20 wickets to win a test match.

Bowling IS the major problem.

Slotting Johnson at seven helps address that.
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You really dont know anything about cricket. Johnson is handy, nothing more nothing less. He is Australias version of Nicky Boje, even then Boje has International tons to his name and he only ever got to bat at 9. You do this and your batting suffers a shitload.

Hayden
Katich
Ponting
Clarke
Hussey
Haddin
Johnson

:D Easy.
 
On the one hand you could say, bowling is the major problem so we should strengthen that but on the other you could say batting is our major strength and where we're still the best on the planet, at least depth wise, so we should just capatalise on our strength.

Also what exactly does an extra bowler bring? More wickets? I mean an extra batsman brings more runs but an extra bowler doesn't neccessarily add anything except less of a workload for the others.
 
As I said, we have the best depth in the world so capatalise on it.

Someone like McKenzie would not get within a whisker of our side.
 

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