Should Quinns Position Be Looked At.

[rioli brownlow]

Just Wondering If Anyone Thinks That John Quinns Position Should Be Looked At ,as We Always Seem To Be Running Out Of Legs In The Last Quarters Espically Over The Past 2 Years And It Happened Again On Friday.
Not Saying He Should Be Given The Boot ,just That Haven't Seen Anyone Questioning His Fitness Program.

 

[marcuz]

Just Wondering If Anyone Thinks That John Quinns Position Should Be Looked At ,as We Always Seem To Be Running Out Of Legs In The Last Quarters Espically Over The Past 2 Years And It Happened Again On Friday.
Not Saying He Should Be Given The Boot ,just That Haven't Seen Anyone Questioning His Fitness Program.

I think his position should be looked only due to the amount of time he's been at essendon. It doesnt hurt moving on and getting new blood in with new ideas. As long as that person is as highly regarded as Quinn though.

 

[Philzsay]

It should be looked at when his contract is over (If he has a contract, otherwise at seasons end) like most positions should be.

I don't think fitness is the only cause of our last quarter fade outs over the last year or two. Other contributing factors include a lack of midfield rotation depth (which I believe we have been addressing lately) as well as plain psychological reasons. Also it seems to me that when we are interstate our last quarter fade outs happen more often. Why? I don't know.

I dont think simply sacking Quinn would be the answer. But yes when the time comes we should look at his performance, and how it could be improved.

 

[dave_27]

For what its worth we won more last quaters than we lost in the second half of last year.

 

[jules101]

We do have a lot of soft tissue injuries for a preseason:

Johns --- Hamstring

Hocking
Neagle
Firman ---- Quad

 

[blumfieldisback]

all this talk because we lost to brisbane in stifling humidity for the first game of the year. To me some of those boys looked alot bigger then last year, i wouldnt want them to be at peak fitness at this time of the year, you only have to look at sydney against west coast this time last year. west coast was up and running but started to fall short come the end of the season whereas sydney were total opposites.

start making these comments come round 7 or even 8?

 

[blumfieldisback]

oh and is it really a fitness issue, id much rather rapid imrpovement in their skills i mean Mcveigh missed a set shot at goal and lovett had a chance also, if they both converted we would have won.

 

[Karlostj]

I must say I don't think it was being unfit that caused us to lose, it was lacking a little bit of polish. I'm sure we had just as much of the footy in that final term, but we didn't use it as well. But with guys like Voss, Black and Power in their midfield, its hardly surprising that they used the ball better then our midfield who were playing together in a competitive match for the first time ever.

As for it being stifling heat, I was at the game and it was not that warm at all. I'd say it would have been 21-22, perhaps slightly humid, but I don't think it would have been any warmer then a day match at the start of a season in Victoria. So I don't think that is a legitimate excuse for not running out a match, but I don't think that occurred anyway.

 

[Longy413]

I think one thing that hurt on Friday was that the game came on the end of a 9-10 trip. The boys had been away from home since prior to the Sydney game. Reports out of the Bulldogs camp is that they had the same issues, having been away for the week.

One thing Quinn has done is rotated the assistants he's had under him. A new weights coach seems to have done wonders, with nearly every player on our list baulking up over the pre-season.

 

[ant555]

Never confuse fitness with endurance . We had a problem with last quarter fade outs because we didnt have a midfielder with genuine endurance . It doesnt matter how much you train someone if they havnt got it you cant train it into them. It is what makes Stanton a special player , early on he gets kicks and looks the same as anyone else out there, doesnt look exceptionaly quick. As the game goes on he keeps going as the others start to tire. It was what made Brisbane so special , they had 4 midfielders who just ran everyone else into the ground.

 

[blumfieldisback]

Never confuse fitness with endurance . We had a problem with last quarter fade outs because we didnt have a midfielder with genuine endurance . It doesnt matter how much you train someone if they havnt got it you cant train it into them. It is what makes Stanton a special player , early on he gets kicks and looks the same as anyone else out there, doesnt look exceptionaly quick. As the game goes on he keeps going as the others start to tire. It was what made Brisbane so special , they had 4 midfielders who just ran everyone else into the ground.

i wouldnt be so sure about not being able to train endurance, its just a mental pain barrier that any individual must break through time and time again throughout the pre-season, year after year. The problem that builidng endurance can cause is it may hamper your initial speed so there is a balance between players.

I think a great example of a player building endurance is robert harvey, he dint always have it, he even admits himself but time and time again he would run himself into the ground. Even when he felt like being sick he would run at full pace to get the ball. he wasnt like that during his junior days pre VFL/AFL.

 

[ant555]

i wouldnt be so sure about not being able to train endurance, its just a mental pain barrier that any individual must break through time and time again throughout the pre-season, year after year. The problem that builidng endurance can cause is it may hamper your initial speed so there is a balance between players.

I think a great example of a player building endurance is robert harvey, he dint always have it, he even admits himself but time and time again he would run himself into the ground. Even when he felt like being sick he would run at full pace to get the ball. he wasnt like that during his junior days pre VFL/AFL.

It is like disatnce runners you either have it or you dont . Some players do have a level of endurance that they can build on with training , it is only natural . I would argue that Harvey always had the capacity to reach a certain level and with the extra training and desire he reached it.Just because you dont train hard enough or not want it enough doesnt mean you dont have that endurance in you. A larger percentage of AFL players train them selves to the limit but it doesnt mean they are going to be able to run 15km plus in a game.
You can train someone to be able to reach their maximum endurance levels but you cant train any extra in once they have reached it.

 

[Longy413]

I think we just need to find the right mix in our midfield. The inclusion of McVeigh is a good start. We need to find that right mix of grunt, speed and power.

Our problem in past years hasn't been our fitness, it's been our lack of midfield depth, which has forced Sheedy to rely on too few to do the work. Other clubs have had the luxury of being able to rest their top midfielders and bring on suitable replacements without losing intensity.

Prior to the second half of the year, before Stanton, Dyson, Lovett began to make an impact, we got torn to shreds when Jason Johnson was either off the ground or getting tired.

No player can run out at whole game at full pace, we simply just need to improve our depth and our rotations. Fitness isn't the issue.

 

[DaSawx]

Too much is being taken out of 1 stupid pre-season game, where both Sheeds and Matthews were trying things.

It is definately more logical to look at how we finished the season, and yes, the more Stanton, Dyson, Monfries, Lovett, Winderlich, Watson, Heffernan and co. provide good midfield depth, the better we perform, not just in the midfield, but the whole team.

Can't blame Quinn, can't the Heff and Pev for playing bad in a hot night at Carrara, the fact is the core of our midfield is quite young and we need to be patient with them, because they are looking damn good most of them and we will eventually have a top notch midfield, no doubt most of us will agree on that.

 

[blumfieldisback]

I think we just need to find the right mix in our midfield. The inclusion of McVeigh is a good start. We need to find that right mix of grunt, speed and power.

Our problem in past years hasn't been our fitness, it's been our lack of midfield depth, which has forced Sheedy to rely on too few to do the work. Other clubs have had the luxury of being able to rest their top midfielders and bring on suitable replacements without losing intensity.

Prior to the second half of the year, before Stanton, Dyson, Lovett began to make an impact, we got torn to shreds when Jason Johnson was either off the ground or getting tired.

No player can run out at whole game at full pace, we simply just need to improve our depth and our rotations. Fitness isn't the issue.

for once you are spot on longy, and i think sheeds just kept rotating the midfield around last week even if it meant having a negative effect on the game, i mean job watson was doing exceptionally well in the centre but he took him out to see what another youngster like slattery would be like.

if we have 5 or even 6 tom midfielders plus anoth 5 or 6 b grade midfielders then we are on our way to curing our late game fadeouts. They need someone like watson or monfries to standout so johnson can be rested in the latter parts of the 2nd quarter and early 3rd quarter.

 

[dodgey]

sheedy LOVES him ....and he fixed Hirdy's Leg.

probably 2 of the Main reason's he's STILL there

 

[CONS_SS]

Just Wondering If Anyone Thinks That John Quinns Position Should Be Looked At ,as We Always Seem To Be Running Out Of Legs In The Last Quarters Espically Over The Past 2 Years And It Happened Again On Friday.
Not Saying He Should Be Given The Boot ,just That Haven't Seen Anyone Questioning His Fitness Program.

I'm not sure if its the whole team that 'runs out of legs'. It might just be a few players that it happens to, like a couple of the indigenous boys.
Compared to someone like Stanton who's got a big motor, they might seem behind in the latter stages of matches.

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