Simon Goodwin: Why so little noise?

[demondavey]

It’s hard to judge any club, player or coach this season

The fees have been disappointing at times but their best is as good as any side

A side that gets within a goal of Geelong and Brisbane shouldn’t be losing to Sydney and Fremantle. He can’t coach them and they can’t respond.

 

[Ice-Wolf]

A side that gets within a goal of Geelong and Brisbane shouldn’t be losing to Sydney and Fremantle. He can’t coach them and they can’t respond.

They're doing a Collingwood - underperforming against sides they should easily account for and overperforming against sides when there is no expectation to win.

Not that St Kilda are doing much better.

 

[Dazb86]

They're doing a Collingwood - underperforming against sides they should easily account for and overperforming against sides when there is no expectation to win.

Not that St Kilda are doing much better.

Saints are def outperforming expectations this year.

 

[demondavey]

They're doing a Collingwood - underperforming against sides they should easily account for and overperforming against sides when there is no expectation to win.

Not that St Kilda are doing much better.

St Kilda are doing a lot better. You’re top 8 after shifting Richardson and recruiting for what you needed.

 

[Former Decathlete]

Goodwin seriously reminds me of Neeld.
Boring. Talks in cliches. Repetitive.


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[00Stinger]

Great, so let’s just ‘stick fat lads’. It’s fu**en pathetic. Members need to vote with their wallets and boycott signing up. Maybe if enough people fail to do so the club will see how much of a state we are in.

Rather than just shooting down suggestions I pose, what do you see as the answer? And I am genuinely asking. Let’s accept there is no money to pay him out, what do we do? How do we improve? He can’t do it. Sounds like we are just stuck for two years with another two seasons of the same old and the same bullshit feedback on BF that perhaps the club might actually tune into for a clue.

I won't shoot down suggestions if they are well thought out and offer a viable solution. Shouting shit for the sake of it with no idea of how to implement the idea is kind of useless. Supporters are frustrated I get that, if money wasn't an issue I would be begging the club to get rid of Goodwin and bring Ross Lyon in but unfortunately it is.

The club will spin that the results aren't good enough and they won't make any excuses. But the will, they will tell us this season was so compromised, there are so many factors ext

I genuinely do not have a definitive answer, the financial impact of covid-19 has exemplified a bad contract decision to give him a four year deal.

The money squeeze is going to tie most clubs hands when it comes to any decisions that are going to cost money over the next 12-24 months.

Having said all of that the heat will be firmly on him come the start of next year and not getting the team in the finals next year will cost him his job

 

[00Stinger]

Goodwin seriously reminds me of Neeld.
Boring. Talks in cliches. Repetitive.


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Neeld loses last nights game by 80+ points.

Goodwin may not be a good coach but he isn't potentially the worst coach ever to get a permanent gig in the AFL, if anybody can come up with a case for someone being as bad as Neeld I am all ears

 

[The Final Word]

I genuinely do not have a definitive answer, the financial impact of covid-19 has exemplified a bad contract decision to give him a four year deal.

The money squeeze is going to tie most clubs hands when it comes to any decisions that are going to cost money over the next 12-24 months.

This is absolutely true.

Couldn't have planned for the footy dept. cap, but still, I do wonder why some clubs pull the trigger on contract extensions. Leon Cameron recent deal being a perfect example. Who, realistically, was going to sign him before GWS did?

 

[Toump Ass]

Couldn't have planned for the footy dept. cap, but still, I do wonder why some clubs pull the trigger on contract extensions. Leon Cameron recent deal being a perfect example. Who, realistically, was going to sign him before GWS did?

It's a symbolic gesture that offers zero job security because if the supporters revolt the coach goes regardless.

Not a great time to tie up an average coach when many talented people in the industry will be losing their jobs due to corona.

 

[demondavey]

I won't shoot down suggestions if they are well thought out and offer a viable solution. Shouting sh*t for the sake of it with no idea of how to implement the idea is kind of useless. Supporters are frustrated I get that, if money wasn't an issue I would be begging the club to get rid of Goodwin and bring Ross Lyon in but unfortunately it is.

The club will spin that the results aren't good enough and they won't make any excuses. But the will, they will tell us this season was so compromised, there are so many factors ext

I genuinely do not have a definitive answer, the financial impact of covid-19 has exemplified a bad contract decision to give him a four year deal.

The money squeeze is going to tie most clubs hands when it comes to any decisions that are going to cost money over the next 12-24 months.

Having said all of that the heat will be firmly on him come the start of next year and not getting the team in the finals next year will cost him his job

I am not shouting shit for the sake of it. The desperation that I hope is being felt by the board of the club on behalf of the members is something that I feel could come to a head, in the sense that they find a way to negotiate a settlement with him. I’ve got no idea of the numbers, but I would given the business acumen getting around the halls and walls of the MFC and MCC that they could find a way to come up with something.

Regarding sacking him after another year of no finals? God. Another 12 months and more conversations re the same issues. The only thing we could do is look to shift assistant coaches etc within the group and improve that way.

I guess what’s really frustrating me is the fact that we have a coach who can’t be sacked because an incompetent CEO signed him for four years after a decent finish to 2018.

 

[00Stinger]

I guess what’s really frustrating me is the fact that we have a coach who can’t be sacked because an incompetent CEO signed him for four years after a decent finish to 2018.

And unfortunately with the way the football landscape has changed that incorrect decision is a little more complicated than sacking and paying out the coach

 

[demondavey]

And unfortunately with the way the football landscape has changed that incorrect decision is a little more complicated than sacking and paying out the coach

Then the only answer is for the club to change its assistant coaching structure.

 

[The Final Word]

It's a symbolic gesture that offers zero job security because if the supporters revolt the coach goes regardless.

Not a great time to tie up an average coach when many talented people in the industry will be losing their jobs due to corona.

Well it does and it doesn't. You're at least guaranteed a payout in the event that you do get sacked. Matty Knights bagged a VFL flag while being paid out by Essendon from memory.

Supporters can revolt all they want but I think Melbourne's in the proverbial rock and a hard place. I just don't think that can do anything. Say he's on $500k, that's $1mil. Maybe you could come to an agreement to amortise that, perhaps with a premium, over a longer period like 4 years. But I'd seriously doubt they would go down that path, or that the AFL would sign off on it. It also handcuffs you to a reduced cap over a longer period. So if you have to wear $500k p.a. payout, plus pay the next coach, how many footy department staff are you laying off?

demondavey 's call on trade bait is spot on in my opinion. There are some tradeable assets and the names he's thrown up have genuine currency unlike the usual crap that supporters here spout. Salem in particular would be someone who could thrive in a new environment, I'd love him at the Cats. And Brayshaw has got to be crying out for somewhere new, I've no idea what's happened to him in 2 seasons, maybe send him West to join up with one of his brothers.

 

[demondavey]

Well it does and it doesn't. You're at least guaranteed a payout in the event that you do get sacked. Matty Knights bagged a VFL flag while being paid out by Essendon from memory.

Supporters can revolt all they want but I think Melbourne's in the proverbial rock and a hard place. I just don't think that can do anything. Say he's on $500k, that's $1mil. Maybe you could come to an agreement to amortise that, perhaps with a premium, over a longer period like 4 years. But I'd seriously doubt they would go down that path, or that the AFL would sign off on it. It also handcuffs you to a reduced cap over a longer period. So if you have to wear $500k p.a. payout, plus pay the next coach, how many footy department staff are you laying off?

demondavey 's call on trade bait is spot on in my opinion. There are some tradeable assets and the names he's thrown up have genuine currency unlike the usual crap that supporters here spout. Salem in particular would be someone who could thrive in a new environment, I'd love him at the Cats. And Brayshaw has got to be crying out for somewhere new, I've no idea what's happened to him in 2 seasons, maybe send him West to join up with one of his brothers.

Tom McDonald is the one for me that just screams ‘what happened?’. Played as a successful KF two years ago kicking 60+. Whilst I’ve never been sold on Hogan, he did demand a decent defender letting Tom off the hook a bit. Could he recapture that form again for a few years? Would he go well alongside Taberner for example? At Carlton with McKay? This is the year we trade him if we can.

We aren’t getting anything decent if we don’t trade a decent player. Brayshaw is really the one midfielder I see as surplus to requirements. We’ve got Langdon, Viney, Oliver, Petracca. Harmes rolls in and out but is average. Sparrow isn’t bad. You put Salem and Brayshaw together and send them off and you get some reasonably good currency to trade for Williams for example.

If we do try and get a big name though, it has to be a big one. A quality player that can assist us in our deficiencies. We also need an aggressive small forward who can score whilst adding a lot of pressure. Breust?

 

[The Final Word]

We aren’t getting anything decent if we don’t trade a decent player.

Everyone says that on here, and then demands a first round pick for Alex Neal Bullen

A quality player that can assist us in our deficiencies. We also need an aggressive small forward who can score whilst adding a lot of pressure. Breust?

I wouldn't go for Bruest unless he came to you for next to nothing, pick 70+. He's just player these days. Good tackle numbers but you could get those figures chucking Jay Lockhart forward.

 

[Linda Lovelace]

They're doing a Collingwood - underperforming against sides they should easily account for and overperforming against sides when there is no expectation to win.

Not that St Kilda are doing much better.

Strange analysis of Collingwood's record. We beat Geelong and we lost to Freo in Perth, which isn't that bad as St Kilda did as well but those are the only unlikely results on either end of the spectrum. If we beat the Suns and lose to Port - which are the most likely outcomes - we will have beaten 6/7 of the bottom sides and gone 2-4-1 vs the top 8.

Our problem is just that we are mediocre crap, not that we are particularly inconsistent or mercurial. We've actually consistently accounted for the poor teams and struggled against the decent ones, as our ladder position reflects.

 

[Boristown]

Why so little noise? Because like my own club, no one gives a sh*t.

 

[demondavey]

Everyone says that on here, and then demands a first round pick for Alex Neal Bullen



I wouldn't go for Bruest unless he came to you for next to nothing, pick 70+. He's just player these days. Good tackle numbers but you could get those figures chucking Jay Lockhart forward.

Mate we need good tackle numbers up forward. That’s one of our biggest issues.

 

[demondavey]

Everyone says that on here, and then demands a first round pick for Alex Neal Bullen



I wouldn't go for Bruest unless he came to you for next to nothing, pick 70+. He's just player these days. Good tackle numbers but you could get those figures chucking Jay Lockhart forward.

You know I am not talking about a first rounder for ANB. I am talking about Brayshaw and Salem, guys that have currency now.

 

[demondavey]

With the soft cap restrictions and him having 2 years to run on his contract, I’m not sure they can afford to pay him out tbh

Mate, 4 years he got. 4 years after a patchy 2018. What was wrong with 4 but with performance based clauses for after 2 years? Incompetent.

 

[Bazza97]

He has to go, it's obvious he's not the right coach for us going forward. The thing is, I'm not sure if the club will make that decision this year. I hope we have a new coach next season but I'm not confident that will eventuate.

 

[demondavey]

He has to go, it's obvious he's not the right coach for us going forward. The thing is, I'm not sure if the club will make that decision this year. I hope we have a new coach next season but I'm not confident that will eventuate.

There’s the obvious financial issue at hand, but looking back on all this the contract we gave him was terribly long and it’ll come back to hurt us. I think if we can’t sack him we need to get the assistant situation right.

 

[Duskfire]

There’s the obvious financial issue at hand, but looking back on all this the contract we gave him was terribly long and it’ll come back to hurt us. I think if we can’t sack him we need to get the assistant situation right.

No idea why they gave him such a long contract. Was he in high demand? Were they afraid of him being poached? Strange.

 

[Bazza97]

There’s the obvious financial issue at hand, but looking back on all this the contract we gave him was terribly long and it’ll come back to hurt us. I think if we can’t sack him we need to get the assistant situation right.

Yep club got sucked in after the 2018 season with the contract extension they gave him until 2022. Despite that Goodwin still has two years left on his contract, I'm going to be disappointed if he is still coaching us in 2021.

 

[demondavey]

No idea why they gave him such a long contract. Was he in high demand? Were they afraid of him being poached? Strange.

Definitely was not in demand. Why they gave him a long term deal? We finished 4th in 2018 after making a PF, BUT, that year we put 5 games together where we thumped a number of teams but then choked to Collingwood on QB by 7 goals. We lost some more close ones before beating WC and GWS then winning two finals.

There was obviously this misconception given 2018 that we were about to break it open. The most sensible thing to have done was put in a clause to get out after 2 years given performance. That would mean given the end to this year we could terminate the deal. Now I’ve no idea if there is such a clause, but I would have hoped that given the legalities of such arrangements that Melbourne would act to protect themselves.