Current Slasher Murders of Four University of Idaho Students - US *Bryan Kohberger Arrested

[Kurve]

Here's the probable cause docs.

 

[TheDudeAbides]

It puts pressure on the pros to front everything up in time for an Oct trial.

Defense can and prob will motion to extend the date out and can say pros haven't given us everything as a reason.

Plea deal talks would also be happening behind the scenes I'm sure.

The defense put a motion before the court for the preliminary hearing that was going to occur at the end of June saying that the prosecution havent handed over all of the discovery.

The prosecution then responded to the motion saying they had indeed handed over everything required including over 10,000 photos, 10,000 pages of documents, and 9,200 tips and 51 terabytes of video/audio.

The basically clapped back at the defense in their reply stating they have handed over everything relevant and if the defense is going to motion to say they havent, then please request specifically what they want - calling out the defense tactic as BS.

There may be stuff that the pros do not have that cant be handed over yet as its not in their possession (a la the murdoch trial where the GM data came in during the trial), but I will defer to the prosecution on this one and think that with the case being so high profile, the prosecution cant risk a mistrial for not fulfilling discovery requirements.

I agree that the October date probably wont be the final date, but will see...I cant see how public defenders can have the resources to sift through all of the data they have been provided so far.

 

[TheDudeAbides]

Plea deal talks would also be happening behind the scenes I'm sure.

Its my opinion the prosecution think they have their man and arent entertaining the idea of any plea deals. With the nature of the case and the alleged crimes, would it be bad optics to accept lesser charges for the victims families?

I think this will be a death penalty case...will find that out within the next 58 or so days.

 

[Munich]

Its my opinion the prosecution think they have their man and arent entertaining the idea of any plea deals. With the nature of the case and the alleged crimes, would it be bad optics to accept lesser charges for the victims families?

I think this will be a death penalty case...will find that out within the next 58 or so days.

They have 4 families to appease as well and not all them may be pro DP. We don't know.

I think if there was ever a case to seek the DP this is a pretty good one. But I'm just an observer.

I think regardless if the pros want the DP it'd still be talked about in these early stages.

 

[Munich]

The defense put a motion before the court for the preliminary hearing that was going to occur at the end of June saying that the prosecution havent handed over all of the discovery.

The prosecution then responded to the motion saying they had indeed handed over everything required including over 10,000 photos, 10,000 pages of documents, and 9,200 tips and 51 terabytes of video/audio.

The basically clapped back at the defense in their reply stating they have handed over everything relevant and if the defense is going to motion to say they havent, then please request specifically what they want - calling out the defense tactic as BS.

There may be stuff that the pros do not have that cant be handed over yet as its not in their possession (a la the murdoch trial where the GM data came in during the trial), but I will defer to the prosecution on this one and think that with the case being so high profile, the prosecution cant risk a mistrial for not fulfilling discovery requirements.

I agree that the October date probably wont be the final date, but will see...I cant see how public defenders can have the resources to sift through all of the data they have been provided so far.

It's a huge job to sift through that much data. It's not like they can even get some young clerks in to go through things and mark them as you would want to go through everything yourself as the lead.

The gag order stuff is also giving them extra work on top of everything else.

 

[Awakening]

Not sure if this has been posted before but Bryan perhaps connected to another murder?

• Michael and Maryann Kohberger will testify in court over the disappearance of Pennsylvania woman Dana Smithers
• The court suspects Idaho murder suspect Bryan Kohberger might be connected to Smithers because she disappeared 30-miles from his parent's home
• Smithers, 45, was last seen on May 28, 2022 on Ring footage

Idaho murders suspect Bryan Kohberger's parents called to testify

Michael and Maryann Kohberger will testify in court over the disappearance of Pennsylvania woman Dana Smithers.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Munich]

Not sure if this has been posted before but Bryan perhaps connected to another murder?

• Michael and Maryann Kohberger will testify in court over the disappearance of Pennsylvania woman Dana Smithers
• The court suspects Idaho murder suspect Bryan Kohberger might be connected to Smithers because she disappeared 30-miles from his parent's home
• Smithers, 45, was last seen on May 28, 2022 on Ring footage

Idaho murders suspect Bryan Kohberger's parents called to testify

Michael and Maryann Kohberger will testify in court over the disappearance of Pennsylvania woman Dana Smithers.

www.dailymail.co.uk

It's bullshit and more gossip muck by the media.

 

[Awakening]

It's bullshit and more gossip muck by the media.

But I have a theory he’s murdered before so will find things that back my theory

 

[Kurve]

But I have a theory he’s murdered before so will find things that back my theory

For him to have absolutely no history leading up to such ghastly multiple murders doesn't seem to fit. Likewise with the guy that's been arrested for the Delphi murders.

 

[Pamcake1]

Of interest;​

The New York Times 10/6/2023​

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Inside the Hunt for the Idaho Killer​

After four students were stabbed to death in a house near a college campus, investigators scooped up data and forensic evidence, hoping for leads. A new DNA technique finally brought a breakthrough.

In the weeks after four University of Idaho students were found slaughtered in a house near campus last November, a growing roster of investigators desperately searching for answers had yet to identify a suspect or even find the murder weapon.
Publicly, the authorities were assuring worried residents in the small college town that they were making progress. Privately, they were exhausting their prospects, scouring through the backgrounds of those with the thinnest possible connections to the case.
Through the first two weeks of December, investigators put some of their focus on classmates of the victims; they also widened the search to examine a man in another state who had been known to send harassing messages to women but had visited Idaho only twice in his life. They looked at a woman previously charged with assaults in the region. They looked at a man once accused of wielding a knife. They looked at sex offenders. They looked at a white supremacist. Each turned out to be a dead end.
Then, after spending weeks sifting through an array of evidence that seemed to lead nowhere, investigators announced an arrest in late December on the other side of the country: Bryan Kohberger, a Ph.D. student from a nearby university. He was identified only after investigators turned to an advanced method of DNA analysis that had rarely been used in active murder investigations.

The story of how dozens of officers from local, state and federal agencies took the quadruple murder investigation into extraordinary territory is only now becoming more apparent, through recently obtained records and interviews with people familiar with the investigation who discussed key details that emerged before the issuance of a gag order in the case.
The case has shown the degree to which law enforcement investigators have come to rely on the digital footprints that ordinary Americans leave in nearly every facet of their lives. Online shopping, car sales, carrying a cellphone, drives along city streets and amateur genealogy all played roles in an investigation that was solved, in the end, as much through technology as traditional sleuthing.

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Now indicted on four counts of murder, Mr. Kohberger has declined to enter a plea but contended previously through his lawyer that he would be exonerated. Investigators have yet to detail a possible motive: To this day, family members of the victims remain unaware of any prior connections that the accused killer had with the four young people who were killed.
The process of identifying and arresting a suspect took over six weeks — weeks of increasing frustration and painstaking examination of evidence as the community pushed for answers.

The first 911 call came in around noon, some seven hours after the murders. Madison Mogen, 21; Kaylee Goncalves, 21; Xana Kernodle, 20; and Ethan Chapin, 20, had been stabbed to death overnight in their bedrooms. Initially, the Moscow Police Department described the attack as “targeted” and assured residents that there was no risk to the public. But with no indication of who had committed the attack or why, the authorities eventually backtracked.

What to Know About the Idaho College Murders​

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The attack. On Nov. 13, Ethan Chapin, Madison Mogen, Xana Kernodle and Kaylee Goncalves, four students at the University of Idaho, were found stabbed to death at a home near the campus in Moscow, Idaho. The killings occurred on a typical Saturday night, after two of the victims had been at a bar together and two others had been at a party.
The search. Authorities went weeks without identifying a suspect, pleading with the public for tips and videos that could help them piece together what had led to the crime. On Dec. 30, the police arrested Bryan Kohberger at his parents’ home in Pennsylvania and charged him with murder. He was later extradited to Idaho.
The suspect. Kohberger, 28, was pursuing a Ph.D. in criminal justice and criminology at Washington State University, about a 10-minute drive from the University of Idaho. Messages and online posts from Kohberger show that he was once detached and suicidal before he became fascinated with criminals’ minds.
The case. Kohberger faces four counts of first-degree murder, but the authorities have not detailed any motive for the attacks. Kohberger did not enter a plea at a hearing on May 22, but he has said through his lawyers that he expects to be exonerated. His trial is scheduled to begin in October.

“We cannot say that there is no threat to the community,” the police chief, James Fry, said at a news conference on Nov. 16, three days after the killings.
The department, which had only a few dozen officers, enlisted the Idaho State Police and the F.B.I. to help, bringing in dozens of additional investigators. Forensic teams processed evidence from the bedrooms, snapped photos around the home’s back door and hunted for footprints; others searched for surveillance video from around town.
A week after the killings, records show, investigators were on the lookout for a certain type of vehicle: Nissan Sentras from the model years 2019 to 2023. Quietly, they ran down details on thousands of such vehicles, including the owners’ addresses, license plate numbers and the color of each sedan.

James Fry, the Moscow police chief, answered questions at a news conference in November.Credit...Zach Wilkinson/The Moscow-Pullman Daily News, via Associated Press

But further scrutiny of the video footage produced more clarity, and on Nov. 25 the police in Moscow asked law enforcement agencies to look for a different type of car with a similar shape: white Hyundai Elantras from the model years 2011 to 2013.

Just across the state border, at Washington State University, campus police officers began looking through their records for Elantras registered there. Among those they found was one registered to Mr. Kohberger, who had moved to the area earlier in 2022 to pursue a Ph.D. in criminology.

They checked Mr. Kohberger’s car more closely, according to a court affidavit, including visiting the parking lot near his apartment in the early morning hours of Nov. 29. But the vehicle was a 2015 model, not the earlier models being sought in Moscow.
The next day, records show, investigators in Moscow were also looking closely at another vehicle: Ms. Goncalves’s car. She had purchased a 2015 Range Rover in the days before her death. Detectives gathered information on the registration, history and legal owners, clearly interested in the history of who had owned the car. But once again, the information provided few answers.
With students at the University of Idaho preparing for final exams, there was a permanent sense of apprehension in the air, as people began locking their doors, acquiring pepper spray and asking on social media how such a brazen killer could remain undetected for so long in a town that had not seen a murder in seven years.
The hunt broadened as investigators vacuumed up more records and data. They had already sought cellphone data for all phones that pinged cell towers within a half-mile of the victims’ house from 3 a.m. to 5 a.m., according to search warrant filings. They collected victims’ bank records, email correspondence and social media account data.
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2:25Body Camera Video Shows Idaho Murder Suspect Being Pulled Over
Indiana police officers pulled over Bryan Kohberger, a 28-year-old student at Washington State University, two weeks before he was arrested for the killing of four University of Idaho students.CreditCredit...Hancock County Sheriff’s Department
On Dec. 5, detectives made a new request for surveillance video, seeking all footage recorded on U.P.S. delivery trucks in the days before and after the killings.
The next day, after getting back data on Ms. Goncalves’s account on the Tinder dating app, detectives asked for details on 19 specific account-holders, including their locations, credit card information and any “private images, pictures or videos” associated with the accounts.

The request allowed the inquiry to go much broader than an ordinary search for information, using a single warrant to target 19 different people, said Orin Kerr, a law professor at the University of California, Berkeley.
“You couldn’t get one warrant to search 19 houses,” he said.
Investigators were also working with a key piece of evidence: a Ka-Bar knife sheath, branded with a U.S. Marine Corps logo, that had been found next to two of the victims. They initially began looking for local stores that may have sold the weapon, and then fanned out.
A request to Amazon sought the order histories of account holders who had purchased such knives. A follow-up request to eBay focused on a series of specific users, seeking their purchase histories. Some had connections to the area — including one in Idaho and two in Washington State — while others were from far away, including an account in Japan. Because of redactions, it is unclear if Mr. Kohberger’s name came up in those records.
The overall data track was growing enormous, demonstrating the extensive breadth of data on consumer platforms that can be made accessible to law enforcement agencies when they are at the stage of hunting for bread crumbs.
“You could say this is uncharted territory,” Mr. Kerr said. “They are novel legal questions when there are so many records out there.”

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At the same time, DNA from the scene was being processed. Forensic teams had examined the knife sheath and found DNA that did not belong to any of the inhabitants of the house. They ran the sample through the F.B.I.’s database, which contains millions of DNA profiles of past criminal offenders, but according to three people briefed on the case, they did not get a match.

At that point, investigators decided to try genetic genealogy, a method that until now has been used primarily to solve cold cases, not active murder investigations. Among the growing number of genealogy websites that help people trace their ancestors and relatives via their own DNA, some allow users to select an option that permits law enforcement to compare crime scene DNA samples against the websites’ data.
A distant cousin who has opted into the system can help investigators building a family tree from crime scene DNA to triangulate and identify a potential perpetrator of a crime. In one of the best-known uses of genealogy in solving a cold case, detectives in 2018 were able to arrest a suspect in a string of rapes and murders years before in California that had been attributed to the so-called Golden State Killer.
Once a suspect is identified, a direct genetic comparison can be used as confirmation before making an arrest.
With few formal regulations, the use of mass genealogy databases has raised concerns about privacy and whether limits should be placed on how the method is used. But authorities across the country say they have found potential in the system to produce leads that are unattainable through traditional investigative efforts.
Barbara Rae-Venter, a genealogy consultant who worked on the Golden State Killer case, said there was now growing interest in using genealogical DNA not just in cold cases but also in active crime investigations.
“That is why the Idaho case is so interesting,” she said.
To do the genealogical analysis, the Idaho State Police contracted with a private company, Othram, in Texas, which had a lab able to produce a more extensive DNA profile from the knife sheath than the state lab was set up to examine.

F.B.I. personnel worked with the profile that Othram had produced, according to two people familiar with the investigation, spending days building out a family tree that began with a distant relative.

By the morning of Dec. 19, records show, investigators had a name: Bryan Kohberger. He had a white Elantra. He was a student at a university eight miles from the murder scene.
Mr. Kohberger was already out of town, his semester complete. He had driven home with his father to Pennsylvania, stopped twice by the police along the way for what officers said was tailgating. Just as agents began to scour his background more thoroughly, he had been terminated from his position as a teaching assistant, after what was described as altercations with a professor.
On Dec. 23, investigators sought and received Mr. Kohberger’s cellphone records. The results added more to their suspicions: His phone was moving around in the early morning hours of Nov. 13, but was disconnected from cell networks — perhaps turned off — in the two hours around when the killings occurred.
Four days later, agents in Pennsylvania managed to retrieve some trash from Mr. Kohberger’s family residence, sending the material to the Idaho State Police forensic lab. Checking it against their original DNA profile, the lab was able to reach a game-changing conclusion: The DNA in the trash belonged to a close relative of whoever had left DNA on the knife sheath.
Mr. Kohberger was arrested on Dec. 30.
“We have an individual in custody who committed these horrible crimes, and I do believe our community is safe,” the police chief, Mr. Fry, announced. “But we still do need to be vigilant, right?”
Mike Baker is the Seattle bureau chief, reporting primarily from the Northwest and Alaska. @ByMikeBaker

 

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[kaiserchief13]

That was a given. It is possible that someone else dropped it there while committing the crime to frame him though. Unlikely with him driving there though. Multiple pieces of evidence all pointing to him will undo him

 

[Munich]

I'm not sure what the update is. The DNA was already known to match him via familial method.

 

[Munich]

So no victim DNA found in Kohberger's car, apartment or office.

And 3 unidentified males' DNA found on the sheath.

I'd have to say that's a blow for the State.

 

[kaiserchief13]

So no victim DNA found in Kohberger's car, apartment or office.

And 3 unidentified males' DNA found on the sheath.

I'd have to say that's a blow for the State.

So the only evidence they have then is his mobile phone location?

 

[Munich]

So the only evidence they have then is his mobile phone location?

Yeah the phone pings, touch DNA on the sheath, car that matches the one reported on cameras.

Also no connection via social media I forgot to add. He wasn't messaging any of the victims.

 

[Kurve]

Also no connection via social media I forgot to add. He wasn't messaging any of the victims.

It was nonsense that Kohberger was messaging one of the victims?

 

[kaiserchief13]

Yeah the phone pings, touch DNA on the sheath, car that matches the one reported on cameras.

Also no connection via social media I forgot to add. He wasn't messaging any of the victims.

Where did you get the information of the sheath having multiple people's DNA on it?

The car matches but it could be anyone who owns that type of car, not necessarily him.

 

[Munich]

Where did you get the information of the sheath having multiple people's DNA on it?

The car matches but it could be anyone who owns that type of car, not necessarily him.

Sorry am just reading more (I should have dbl checked) there was 3 unidentified males DNA found near the victims.

One was on a glove found outside.

I'm just reading on Twitter - various lawyers I follow.

But the documents have been released where this info can be found.

 

[Awakening]

Sorry am just reading more (I should have dbl checked) there was 3 unidentified males DNA found near the victims.

One was on a glove found outside.

I'm just reading on Twitter - various lawyers I follow.

But the documents have been released where this info can be found.

Are you able to link to the tweets you are reading or the documents? Haven’t heard this in any of my other groups yet.

 

[Kurve]

But the documents have been released where this info can be found.

Do you have a link please? I must have missed this.

 

[Munich]

It was nonsense that Kohberger was messaging one of the victims?

Yes wasn't that from Banfield?

Another fake news from her.

 

[Munich]

Are you able to link to the tweets you are reading or the documents? Haven’t heard this in any of my other groups yet.

I first saw it mentioned by Andrea



She hasn't linked the full docs though.

If you search for Kohberger on Twitter there are plenty of people going over them with fine tooth combs.

 

[Munich]

Also try Sleuthie Goosie https://twitter.com/SleuthieGoosie?t=EbTWjp9-YIX1lzoZixexGQ&s=09

 

[Munich]

Very interesting.

 

[Kurve]

The objection to the state's motion for protection order. The highlighted, which I haven't looked closely at yet must be what's getting attention.