Current Slasher Murders of Four University of Idaho Students - US *Bryan Kohberger Arrested

[Kurve]

Here's the probable cause docs.

 

[Awakening]

Alarming

 

[Awakening]

Short summary. Defence are also talking about BK having a possible alibi. I’m assuming a non-human alibi like cctv?

 

[Awakening]

And then there’s a potential issue with the familial dna they got as presumably they never got BK’s Dad’s permission.

 

[kaiserchief13]

Interesting turn of events. If Idaho does not have more evidence I think BK will get off based on what we are seeing

 

[Munich]

Interesting turn of events. If Idaho does not have more evidence I think BK will get off based on what we are seeing

If they can find an untainted jury pool you might be right.

But I think the majority of people have him guilty no matter what.

 

[Bucking Bronco]

Where did they get this "tainted" genealogy evidence -- something like 23andMe?

Or am I making a fool of myself?

 

[Munich]

Where did they get this "tainted" genealogy evidence -- something like 23andMe?

Or am I making a fool of myself?

Yes one of those companies from what I can gather.

 

[josephine666]

And then there’s a potential issue with the familial dna they got as presumably they never got BK’s Dad’s permission.

The familial DNA was taken from the trash - no permission needed.

 

[Awakening]

The familial DNA was taken from the trash - no permission needed.

I believe the defence’s argument is they needed his permission to upload it to the third party database or whatever they used.

 

[Munich]

I believe the defence’s argument is they needed his permission to upload it to the third party database or whatever they used.

Yes, this.

As nothing came up on CODIS they used the civilian websites (not sure which one returned the match to the Dad).

 

[Kurve]

Yes, this.

As nothing came up on CODIS they used the civilian websites (not sure which one returned the match to the Dad).

I think the defence is fishing here, they're looking for a way to exclude the DNA tracking via open source genealogy on a technicality. They want to know which site/s were mined for the information and if they had the right permissions as some sites claim they don't share with law enforcement and others give the option.

 

[josephine666]

And then there’s a potential issue with the familial dna they got as presumably they never got BK’s Dad’s permission.

Sorry, I didn't read your attachment before commenting - but it doesn't change the legality. They never entered Kohlberger's fathers DNA into any geneology database. The suspect sheath DNA was matched against the geneology database and there was a hit to a specific family tree (someone in that family line who uploaded their data ticked the box that allowed it to be used in criminal investigations) - that process identified members of the Kohlberger family and process of elimination, identified Brian Kohlberger as a potential suspect. They then used trash left out from his parents house to confirm that a person at that resident was the father of their sheath DNA. Then they arrested Kolberger, got his DNA and matched it directly to the sheath DNA.

 

[josephine666]

I think the defence is fishing here, they're looking for a way to exclude the DNA tracking via open source genealogy on a technicality. They want to know which site/s were mined for the information and if they had the right permissions as some sites claim they don't share with law enforcement and others give the option.

Definitely fishing. If the genealogy site doesn't provide access to law enforcement, they can't search. If they do provide access, I would think the genealogy sites would only make available those profiles that have ticked the box. If they do otherwise, there goes their business. Seems like a completely wasted effort on part of the defense.

 

[Kurve]

Definitely fishing. If the genealogy site doesn't provide access to law enforcement, they can't search. If they do provide access, I would think the genealogy sites would only make available those profiles that have ticked the box. If they do otherwise, there goes their business. Seems like a completely wasted effort on part of the defense.

Investigators have in the past, been known to upload the DNA profiles of unidentified suspects in to the databases by assigning them with a false identity. I don't think this is what happened but it won't stop the defence from trying to find a way to exclude the results.

 

[josephine666]

Investigators have in the past, been known to upload the DNA profiles of unidentified suspects in to the databases by assigning them with a false identity. I don't think this is what happened but it won't stop the defence from trying to find a way to exclude the results.

Ok, fair enough.

 

[Munich]

The state has filed notice of intent to seek the death penalty.

 

[Kurve]

An explainer of the aggravating circumstances that necessitates the death penalty and how it should proceed from here.

 

[craffles]

So was there actual DNA of 3 men on the sheath or was it only BK’s?

 

[owen87]

So was there actual DNA of 3 men on the sheath or was it only BK’s?

According to the documents Kurve linked, only BK's on the sheath, with the others found 'in the house'.

Given it was allegedly a bit of a party house, in a college town full of young people, I don't think otherwise unidentified DNA in the house would be all that surprising.

 

[Munich]

According to the documents Kurve linked, only BK's on the sheath, with the others found 'in the house'.

Given it was allegedly a bit of a party house, in a college town full of young people, I don't think otherwise unidentified DNA in the house would be all that surprising.

No one was on a glove found outside.

 

[owen87]

No one was on a glove found outside.

Sorry yes, 4 x Male DNA then;

BK on the sheath
2 x Other male inside the house
1 x Male on a glove outside the house

 

[Munich]

Short and sweet court outing today.

I like Judge Judge so far.

 

[craffles]

Sorry yes, 4 x Male DNA then;

BK on the sheath
2 x Other male inside the house
1 x Male on a glove outside the house

Other DNA seems insignificant given as you’ve said, party house.

Play on, BK in Barney rubble

 

[Awakening]

Other DNA seems insignificant given as you’ve said, party house.

Play on, BK in Barney rubble

Im wondering if the other male dna is unknown male dna.

In other words they’ve established the dna of the boyfriends, friends, visitors, food delivery guys but haven’t been able to identify these two sources of the dna.

Because it was a party house Id be expecting a lot more than just two mens dna to be in that house.

 

[owen87]

Im wondering if the other male dna is unknown male dna.

In other words they’ve established the dna of the boyfriends, friends, visitors, food delivery guys but haven’t been able to identify these two sources of the dna.

Because it was a party house Id be expecting a lot more than just two mens dna to be in that house.

I assumed this was just the unidentified one, since we know there's at least one male living in the house who would have had DNA present