Snoops Annual List / Trade and Draft Preview

[jonesy86]

I wonder if the reason Hine didn't bid for Stewart is that we don't want our 1st or 2nd pick locked in for a player when we can improve position via trades if they rate this draft highly.

 

[Hotpiescoldbeers]

Would anyone prefer pick 4 for Dawes + Wellers or pick 13+ 17? Personally I would prefer the 2 picks as I rate the top 20 in the draft evenly! With pick 4 we could get hogan in the mini draft but I would prefer garlet and stringer or shaw and Haynes?

 

[Number 10]

OK, back from the park. Re Richmond, I don't htink anyone knows much about him, but I think he would project as a KPP cum releif ruck. He is 195cm for a start so that all but rules out midfield. I think that maybe some took Hine to be suggesting that Richmond might be a mid because he tested as well for composure in traffic as Pendles, but I don't think it will happen.

In terms of how many go off and how many come on, I am confused. My impression is that for 2013 you get a primary list of 38, 3 tear one rookies and 3 tear 2 rookies. I am not sure how the veterans list works now either.

Anyway, I would, as I said, not look to cut too deep. We have a young list over all and many of that list have newish contracts. I would prefer to get 3 or 4 quality youngsters coming in via the higher end of the draft and have them push out blokes like Buckley, maybe Young, etc, by the end of 2013, rather than delist like ten senior bodies and bring in a fleet of kids, many of whom are never going to make it.

I wouldn't upgrade Williams off the back of a shoulder reco, and Mooney still has work to do, IMO. Plus there are always injuries and you get to upgrade a rookie mid year regardless.

When you say Stringer do you mean the lightly built (73kg) rookie midfielder with 3 career games for the Cats who bashes women? If so I am not sure which of Beams, Pendles, Swan, Ball, Thomas or Sidebottom he would push out of our side.

Towers is 22, average pace, average skills, again, who of the 6 mids I named would fall out? or if he moved to a HBF would it be O'Brien he pushed out? or Maxwell?

I am no draft expert but I would avoid Stringer like the plague, in addition to bashing women he has also had a terrible run with injuries over the journey and as I said, is light. And I would avoid older players unless they had something truly exceptional that we lack. and the main thing we lack once Ball comes in is outside pace WITH telling disposal, ala Davis, Dick, Johnno, etc, and there are no 22 years plus players running around with those attributes.

lets just get the best available.

Fair enough with the bolded - I just assumed you have to replace one-for-one all the players that come off your senior list. If they have changed to 38 then I am mistaken.

Nah, as jesseb said - I meant Jake Stringer. 18 year old, 191 cm, 91 kg unit who has a similar game to Hodge. Before he had a horrific break in his leg he was rated top 5 in the draft. Most phantom drafts have him drifting just a tad but still well inside the 1st round. Kicked 10.6 in his first game this year for Bendigo Pioneers but isn't a traditional KPF, as I said, plays like Hodge so you can slot him in the backline or midfield as well. Kicked 30 out of 30 in the goal kicking test.

Dean Towers, I am not sure of his skills but he isn't short on athletic ability. Came 6th in 20 m sprint, broke Naitanui's record for vertical jump, came third in repeat sprints. So he is very quick and someone who is the perfect replacement for Wellingham. Could push Sidebottom, Blair, O'Brien out of the team if we need him. Could slot him in at half back, push Shaw onto the wing/forward and make Fasolo or Goldsack the sub. Any number of combinations.

 

[TheFasoloShow]

would jake stringer be their at pick 13?

 

[Number 10]

would jake stringer be their at pick 13?

Knightmare has him at 15 and Chris25 has him at 5. Other mock drafts have him around 5-15 so who knows. It's plausible though, there are alot of good players running around and Stringer has had limited output due to his broken leg - think Barlow...

 

[joefootylover]

Ah! ok then. I don't know enough about the draft age kids to comment, I would take the best available at each pick basically. I think we are structured up well for height, and everything else really, we have no desperate needs, but a kid who turned out to be better than player x in the senior squad, the way Fasolo did last year and Blair did the year or two before that, would change the dynamics, that is what I want to see, back the structures that are in place, bring in the best and see what happens.

 

[Quicky]

I'm not averse to losing Dawes provided we manage to get another mature KPP. I think Tom Lee would be perfect. I think we would end up with a better overall structure with Cloke and Lee in the key stations with Lynch rucking/tall forward. We would also obtain another first rounder in a draft Hine is clearly keen to buy into. I think it could be a big win for us. Wellingham I am keener to hold onto but if he is intent on leaving the potential of having three first round picks, or any since 2008 for that matter, is pretty damn attractive. It should provide us a solid platform to build from into the future.

 

[Shade]

I'm not averse to losing Dawes provided we manage to get another mature KPP. I think Tom Lee would be perfect. I think we would end up with a better overall structure with Cloke and Lee in the key stations with Lynch rucking/tall forward. We would also obtain another first rounder in a draft Hine is clearly keen to buy into. I think it could be a big win for us. Wellingham I am keener to hold onto but if he is intent on leaving the potential of having three first round picks, or any since 2008 for that matter, is pretty damn attractive. It should provide us a solid platform to build from into the future.

Tom Lee joined St Kilda yesterday

 

[Quicky]

Tom Lee joined St Kilda yesterday

Damn! I'm not sure there is another mature key forward that we could bring in. I'm not really a fan of Martin in that role.

 

[surfer1]

So Snoop who do you think we will now go for with 17 & 18 or do we need to see what happens with Dawes.

 

[HFF]

Please bring down Troy Menzel.

 

[JOELY]

Please bring down Troy Menzel.

This scares the crap out of me. I don't think I could take the stress of watching him for the first couple of years hoping that his knee doesn't go.

 

[HFF]

This scares the crap out of me. I don't think I could take the stress of watching him for the first couple of years hoping that his knee doesn't go.

After seeing Stevie J and how "stuffed" his ankles were and the "risks" associated with Joel Selwood, with 2 picks inside the top 20 and possibly a 3rd to follow if we trade Dawes, I'm more than happy to take the risk.

He has also been given the all-clear by leading sports medicos too.

If he slides, it would have to be an opportunity too good to pass up.

 

[jonesy86]

If the net result of this trade/free agent period is:

Out: Wellingham and Dawes
In: Young, Lynch, pick 17 and another pick around 20

With Young and Lynch being on less combined money than Dawes and the offer to Wellingham, then we are big winners IMO.

 

[Quicky]

If we lose Dawes and Wellingham we lose mature bodied players with experience. We already struggled with this at times this season. It strengthens the argument to target some state leaguers late draft or rookie IMO. Lynch mitigates this to a degree but I feel we are still vulnerable in this area.

 

[HFF]

If we lose Dawes and Wellingham we lose mature bodied players with experience. We already struggled with this at times this season. It strengthens the argument to target some state leaguers late draft or rookie IMO. Lynch mitigates this to a degree but I feel we are still vulnerable in this area.

What if we add Young too?

 

[Quicky]

What if we add Young too?

We're in about the same situation we were at the start of the year. Which is to say still short of depth, in particular mature bodied depth with experience. I'd still be targetting some state leaguers. But certainly it would mitigate the loss.

 

[Snoop Dog]

would jake stringer be their at pick 13?

possible but unlikely. I have him around 7-10

 

[Snoop Dog]

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From what I can tell I think Collingwood were desperate to get to Caddy but realise they wont get past Cats so have sights set on spending that money on YOung and preserving what will probably be picks 18,19 and 21 (latter for Dawes).

I think that selection and then the one around #40 will all get used and then we will be out. I say that because he intimated they didnt rate Stewart high for the point where they thought they would be out (that makes more sense to me than the KPF depth thing). If we dont trade Dawes then maybe they will use the circa #60 as well but again dont think Stewart rates to that point either. I have him around 70-80+ in a draft I dont really rate after # 30 which is the mail I am getting as well.

So if I think who would be interesting for us at those picks I would probably be keen on;

Key Position tye - Mason Shaw (KPF & Ruck) type or Kristian Jaksch (KP type who can play either end). Think Shaw most likely to be left as Jaksch will be gone early I think. Roughie would be Clurey or OBrien.

Midfielders - The two I would be keen on who think will be there are Nathan Wright and Nick Vlaustin who are both aggressive HB / Midfielders types, who have clean hands and are quick and good ball users. Think Heath Shaw and Luke Hodge respectively. Both will be very good players.

Its possible guys like Ben Kennedy, Josh Simpson, Troy menzel, Sam Colquhoun and Matthew Haynes are all there and they would be v good as well who would be equally as happy with.

Very excited how this is playing out for CFC

 

[HFF]

Snoop, I'm curious to know just how highly you rate Menzel and if available at any of our picks would you pull the trigger?

Where do you see his draft value/range?

Obviously, I'm a very keen admirer of his talents.

 

[Snoop Dog]

Snoop, I'm curious to know just how highly you rate Menzel and if available at any of our picks would you pull the trigger?

Where do you see his draft value/range?

Obviously, I'm a very keen admirer of his talents.

Knee issues aside (ie just look at his talent) he is the 3rd best player in the pool but his problem (and maybe our gain) is which recruiter is prepared to stake their job on taking him with a high RD 1 pick. I say that because if a recruiter took him and he did his knee again (done both) it would be an uncomfortable place. Hence I think most clubs / recruiters will defer to the next best player who they can be more confident of. To that end I think he could well fall to 15+ which would be put him into the mix with us and if we had 3 picks around there I would probably use one on him as long as the club were confident he could stand up to AFL training and playing. Thats the big question as he has done both knees once and one could be real susceptible to going again?

I actually think GWS might take him with a #13 and send him off for LARS on the knee thats got the graft and warehouse him for a year.