So, I just got robbed at gunpoint at work

[Bennett.]

Bullshit.

If I see someone slip something down their pants, I feel obliged to do something.

It's definitely a fine line, but I'm a bit the same.
I HATE thieves with a passion

 

[SHAKESPEARE]

If I see someone slip something down their pants, I feel obliged to do something.

Was in NY when I saw this gangbanger slipping a can of beer down his pants at the ferry. I went in and told the shopkeeper to keep an eye on him, but the guy obvs had suspicions and was afraid to confront. The gangbanger caught me telling the guy and i was legit bricking it, knowing he was probably strapped.

Got on the ferry, stayed real close to NYPD cops but lost track of where the guy was on the ferry. Got off and had to walk back to my house in the snow just waiting to be capped.

I won't do that again

 

[Gus Poyet]

Every store needs a pistol under the counter for such moments.

 

[kickazz]

Every store needs a pistol under the counter for such moments.

Probably end up causing more problems than it would solve. Things could often escalate pretty quickly and not in a good way.

Who pays for the operator's gun training?

 

[kickazz]

and yeah do the counselling thing before your brain unwittingly starts making some ****ed up connections that will be too hard to undo and cause you grief down the track.

 

[Gus Poyet]

Probably end up causing more problems than it would solve. Things could often escalate pretty quickly and not in a good way.

Who pays for the operator's gun training?

The business.

People have to be able to defend their own lives and property.

 

[kickazz]

The business.

People have to be able to defend their own lives and property.

True, but from a pragmatic point of view not having a gun would probably be (counterintuitatively) the safer option. If every shop had a gun under the counter, then yes, you may have fewer people trying this shit on in the first place; but boy, I would not want to be working when someone actually comes in with a gun. By the time they have it pointed at me I'm in no position to get it, aim it, fire it before he shoots me. The fact that they'd likely know I have one 'somewhere' would put them on edge and probably more likely to shoot me if they got nervous.

No thanks.

And if I was an employee, it would not be my property, so to be perfectly honest I would not give a shit about said property even if some ****ed up law said I could get sacked for making that decision. I'd rather just comply and save my life than chance my skills when most likely they already have the upper hand.

If it were my own business, it would be harder, but surely one can get insurance for this kind of thing. No point going on about my rights if I am dead.

 

[Gus Poyet]

True, but from a pragmatic point of view not having a gun would probably be (counterintuitatively) the safer option. If every shop had a gun under the counter, then yes, you may have fewer people trying this shit on in the first place; but boy, I would not want to be working when someone actually comes in with a gun. By the time they have it pointed at me I'm in no position to get it, aim it, fire it before he shoots me. The fact that they'd likely know I have one 'somewhere' would put them on edge and probably more likely to shoot me if they got nervous.

No thanks.

Just becuase you wouldnt use one doesn't mean others shouldn't have the option.

And if I was an employee, it would not be my property, so to be perfectly honest I would not give a shit about said property even if some stuffed up law said I could get sacked for making that decision. I'd rather just comply and save my life than chance my skills when most likely they already have the upper hand.

If it were my own business, it would be harder, but surely one can get insurance for this kind of thing. No point going on about my rights if I am dead.

And so insurance costs go up by large amounts and others have to pay for it. Flow on effect.

If someone pulls a weapon on me I want to be able to take that threat out as quickly and as forcefully as possible.

You do have the upper hand if you're prepared to shoot them down to protect yourself.

 

[Flash of power]

Its only stuff, even money is only stuff, no point losing a life over, not even that of the purpertrator.

Give them what they want and don't risk harm. Most people committing this type of offence of are off their heads on drugs or desperately searching for the $$ to buy the next hit, they will take whatever risk is necessary to get what they want and wont care whether the store owner has a gun, they are not thinking it through.

The US deaths from gun shots stats don't support that carrying weapons makes for a safer community. It just means a lot more nut cases are out there with guns.

 

[kickazz]

Just becuase you wouldnt use one doesn't mean others shouldn't have the option.






And so insurance costs go up by large amounts and others have to pay for it. Flow on effect.

If someone pulls a weapon on me I want to be able to take that threat out as quickly and as forcefully as possible.

You do have the upper hand if you're prepared to shoot them down to protect yourself.

Yeah you are right about rising costs of insurance. It would be interesting to see what those costs are in some of the more violent parts of the world.

True I wouldn't want the option - and I honestly think having the option would be less safe, and you might have workplace safety issues on your hands. If we eliminate that and imagine a more libertarian society where there is less governance around the workplace, I'm tipping that a lot of people would not want to work there, thereby reducing the labour pool and pushing up wages. Then again, there might be enough people out there attracted to the whole idea and it might not be such a problem.

I still disagree with the bolded though, you'd have to be bloody well skilled to take them down if they have it already pointed at you. That's just an assumption though, I don't have any practical experience to support that.

 

[Gus Poyet]

Its only stuff, even money is only stuff, no point losing a life over, not even that of the purpertrator.

Give them what they want and don't risk harm. Most people committing this type of offence of are off their heads on drugs or desperately searching for the $$ to buy the next hit, they will take whatever risk is necessary to get what they want and wont .

The US deaths from gun shots stats don't support that carrying weapons makes for a safer community. It just means a lot more nut cases are out there with guns.

They also don't show that it isn't an affective way to protect yourself.

Plenty of youtube examples of citizens taking down crims with concealed weapons.

 

[kickazz]

They also don't show that it isn't an affective way to protect yourself.

Plenty of youtube examples of citizens taking down crims with concealed weapons.

Yeah, you can't use that as evidence of overall effectiveness vs risk though. How many instances of it going pear shaped would be on you tube? Even if youtube allowed it, who would put them up there?

-- The dead shopkeeper? - obviously not
-- Their families or friends? - wouldn't have thought so.
-- The perp? - there might be one or two out there stupid enough, I'll concede.

 

[tandino]

Did 4 years as a console operator at a service station... Had a couple of kids steal two slabs of Red Bull, that's about it.

 

[Rough_Edges]

Did 4 years as a console operator at a service station... Had a couple of kids steal two slabs of Red Bull, that's about it.

If only you had a gun under the counter

 

[Flash of power]

Did 4 years as a console operator at a service station... Had a couple of kids steal two slabs of Red Bull, that's about it.

I bet you couldn't catch them

 

[Flash of power]

They also don't show that it isn't an affective way to protect yourself.

Plenty of youtube examples of citizens taking down crims with concealed weapons.

I'm can't quote stats categorically, but I don't hear of too many situations where the armed robber shoots if they get what they want easily.

If both parties had guns my gut tells me there is likely to be a lot more deaths of innocent peopl.

Just picture yourself as the innocent victim, it takes a few seconds to register what is going on around you, then you have to locate the gun, make sure it is loaded and ready to fire, then aim and fire - by that time you have probably copped a bullet.

Sounds good in theory to be armed but incredibly high risk to me in reality.

 

[the PILL]

Can relate to the strange robotic slow motion state and then anger and shock coming later...

Glad you're ok mate...

 

[kickazz]

I bet you couldn't catch them

Especially if they started drinking the booty straight away, cos you know, Red Bull gives you wings and all........

 

[Gus Poyet]

I'm can't quote stats categorically, but I don't hear of too many situations where the armed robber shoots if they get what they want easily.

If both parties had guns my gut tells me there is likely to be a lot more deaths of innocent peopl.

As long as you're happy for people to have no way to defend themselves if someone attacks them with a weapon thats ok.

It's quite generous of you.

Just picture yourself as the innocent victim, it takes a few seconds to register what is going on around you, then you have to locate the gun, make sure it is loaded and ready to fire, then aim and fire - by that time you have probably copped a bullet.

Sounds good in theory to be armed but incredibly high risk to me in reality.

Clerk gets shot by robber, no gun, she's probably dead. Able to return fire, lives.

If you're trained with guns you know the gun it loaded, you know how to flip the safety without the crim seeing it, you know you are willing to shoot (is the robber?), you know what is about to happen, the robber doesn't. You then have the advantage.

 

[Bennett.]

It's funny. It's 12 hours after the fact, and yeah I haven't slept very much which will suck because I'm going back to work tonight, but I seem to be fine. I'm not sure if or how I'm supposed to feel something. It still feels surreal to me. I think that I was robbed at gunpoint, but it's like I'm just stating a fact, it doesn't seem to elicit an emotion in me. I'm thinking about it a bit which I'm sure is normal, but apart from that I feel fine.

 

[Nothing]

I'm can't quote stats categorically, but I don't hear of too many situations where the armed robber shoots if they get what they want easily.

If both parties had guns my gut tells me there is likely to be a lot more deaths of innocent people.

Just picture yourself as the innocent victim, it takes a few seconds to register what is going on around you, then you have to locate the gun, make sure it is loaded and ready to fire, then aim and fire - by that time you have probably copped a bullet.

Sounds good in theory to be armed but incredibly high risk to me in reality.

The reality is that if both have guns and both fire there are also likely to be injuries to by-passers as well. Maybe they should be allowed to have guns too? All of a sudden we are in America.

 

[chelseacarlton]

I grew up with guns,hunting purposes,hobby farm of my dads.
We were taught fairly young how to use them and the respect that they deserve.
Having one pointed at you must have been ****ing terrifying.
You will need help to ease those images and emotions that will alter over the coming days and weeks.
Good luck mate.

 

[Flash of power]

you are not allowing for the fa

As long as you're happy for people to have no way to defend themselves if someone attacks them with a weapon thats ok.

It's quite generous of you.






Clerk gets shot by robber, no gun, she's probably dead. Able to return fire, lives.

If you're trained with guns you know the gun it loaded, you know how to flip the safety without the crim seeing it, you know you are willing to shoot (is the robber?), you know what is about to happen, the robber doesn't. You then have the advantage.

You are not allowing for the fact that the armed robber has the advantage at all times, they are aleady armed, so they are two steps ahead and will likely win any shoot off.

And how many people, trained or not, could effectively react with a weapon in a panic situation?

Give em what they want, don't challenge in any way, and you have a lot greater chance of living, Not to mention any other innocent bystander.

That is why people in banks and other high risk environments are trained that way and not given guns. A lot more people come out of these situations unharmed physically.

 

[Flash of power]

Still get that counselling, don't feel any shame in asking for it. You might be fine, but no harm done in getting some support, if nothing else they will help you understand the way you are feeling and what to expect in the future.

It's funny. It's 12 hours after the fact, and yeah I haven't slept very much which will suck because I'm going back to work tonight, but I seem to be fine. I'm not sure if or how I'm supposed to feel something. It still feels surreal to me. I think that I was robbed at gunpoint, but it's like I'm just stating a fact, it doesn't seem to elicit an emotion in me. I'm thinking about it a bit which I'm sure is normal, but apart from that I feel fine.

 

[edgie]

It's funny. It's 12 hours after the fact, and yeah I haven't slept very much which will suck because I'm going back to work tonight, but I seem to be fine. I'm not sure if or how I'm supposed to feel something. It still feels surreal to me. I think that I was robbed at gunpoint, but it's like I'm just stating a fact, it doesn't seem to elicit an emotion in me. I'm thinking about it a bit which I'm sure is normal, but apart from that I feel fine.

Mate, I don't think you should be returning to work so soon after having your life threatened by someone using a deadly weapon. Did you ask for a few days off? Or have you decided to jump back on the horse straight away?

Either way I think you need a little time to process things and wind down, especially after not sleeping.