Roast Sooo... about that review

[feenix67]

The one that started as a full review of the club, before being repositioned as a review of the football department?

The one that saw the footy ops group turned over and a new coaching group appointed? The one that eventually saw the Chairman resign (he was already leaving anyway) and then the CEO, at the behest of the new Chairman?

In the just over four years since, the club has bottomed out, drafted poorly, rolled over to a group of 9 "protesters" and thus lost a third of its proposed new training facility, and re-signed a coach who, at the first sniff of finals, abandoned all development of youth within the squad.

The footy ops manager is an invisible squib, the Chairman is a master politician short on results and the Footy Ops Director has a messiah complex. The Board sits at the pleasure of the AFL insulated from fans who just keep turning up and supporting the boys.

And having bottomed out, we still continue to play EVERY senior player available on our list, irrespective of performance, and completely ignore the development of young players.

So at what point do we get Dunstall and Pav to come back to the club to see how we are tracking against the KPIs set by that review? At what point does Teflon Ricciutto come under scrutiny for the decisions he has made or influenced during this s**t show? At this rate, the club is not going to change until we can gain control of our club as members. 2027 folks.

 

[1990crow]

Not a real club right now. It's a business and the players clearly have lost faith.

 

[kirky]

The one that started as a full review of the club, before being repositioned as a review of the football department?

The one that saw the footy ops group turned over and a new coaching group appointed? The one that eventually saw the Chairman resign (he was already leaving anyway) and then the CEO, at the behest of the new Chairman?

In the just over four years since, the club has bottomed out, drafted poorly, rolled over to a group of 9 "protesters" and thus lost a third of its proposed new training facility, and re-signed a coach who, at the first sniff of finals, abandoned all development of youth within the squad.

The footy ops manager is an invisible squib, the Chairman is a master politician short on results and the Footy Ops Director has a messiah complex. The Board sits at the pleasure of the AFL insulated from fans who just keep turning up and supporting the boys.

And having bottomed out, we still continue to play EVERY senior player available on our list, irrespective of performance, and completely ignore the development of young players.

So at what point do we get Dunstall and Pav to come back to the club to see how we are tracking against the KPIs set by that review? At what point does Teflon Ricciutto come under scrutiny for the decisions he has made or influenced during this s**t show? At this rate, the club is not going to change until we can gain control of our club as members. 2027 folks.

And there is zero guarantee that the members will get control as well.

Read clause 7.2 of our Constitution. The board controls our destiny, the same board that decided Nicks should be extended after round 1. Think about that.

 

[Firewalker]

Like I said previously in the next coach thread, an internal review in 2019 would’ve got rid of the same people the external one that the club spent all that money on did.

In football circles people always mention the Geelong 2006 & Richmond 2016 reviews where they didn’t sack the top brass & they won the flag next year as the reason why you shouldn’t just sack football staff that are totally inept and out of their depth as they might magically come good like they did those 2 times.

Most of the time things only improve when you change those that have the power over your most important commodities as a sporting organisation, the players, and it’s totally reliant on how they have shaped them and what output they get from them. You don’t need anyone to come in from the outside to just sack those blokes.

 

[1990crow]

Like I said previously in the next coach thread, an internal review in 2019 would’ve got rid of the same people the external one that the club spent all that money on did.

In football circles people always mention the Geelong 2006 & Richmond 2016 reviews where they didn’t sack the top brass & they won the flag next year as the reason why you shouldn’t just sack football staff that are totally inept and out of their depth as they might magically come good like they did those 2 times.

Most of the time things only improve when you change those that have the power over your most important commodities as a sporting organisation, the players, and it’s totally reliant on how they have shaped them and what output they get from them. You don’t need anyone to come in from the outside to just sack those blokes.

You do at the crows. They won’t do it willingly.

 

[1970crow]

The one that started as a full review of the club, before being repositioned as a review of the football department?

The one that saw the footy ops group turned over and a new coaching group appointed? The one that eventually saw the Chairman resign (he was already leaving anyway) and then the CEO, at the behest of the new Chairman?

In the just over four years since, the club has bottomed out, drafted poorly, rolled over to a group of 9 "protesters" and thus lost a third of its proposed new training facility, and re-signed a coach who, at the first sniff of finals, abandoned all development of youth within the squad.

The footy ops manager is an invisible squib, the Chairman is a master politician short on results and the Footy Ops Director has a messiah complex. The Board sits at the pleasure of the AFL insulated from fans who just keep turning up and supporting the boys.

And having bottomed out, we still continue to play EVERY senior player available on our list, irrespective of performance, and completely ignore the development of young players.

So at what point do we get Dunstall and Pav to come back to the club to see how we are tracking against the KPIs set by that review? At what point does Teflon Ricciutto come under scrutiny for the decisions he has made or influenced during this s**t show? At this rate, the club is not going to change until we can gain control of our club as members. 2027 folks.

How Adam Kelly got that job still amazes me.

 

[70lethal]

Like I said previously in the next coach thread, an internal review in 2019 would’ve got rid of the same people the external one that the club spent all that money on did.

In football circles people always mention the Geelong 2006 & Richmond 2016 reviews where they didn’t sack the top brass & they won the flag next year as the reason why you shouldn’t just sack football staff that are totally inept and out of their depth as they might magically come good like they did those 2 times.

Most of the time things only improve when you change those that have the power over your most important commodities as a sporting organisation, the players, and it’s totally reliant on how they have shaped them and what output they get from them. You don’t need anyone to come in from the outside to just sack those blokes.

Those 2 examples of Richmond and Geelong had 1 thing in common, Neil Balme arriving. Similar to Collingwood when he arrived in 2000 and they played in GF in 2002 and 2003.
Whatever he brings to the table clubs should be looking for because the changes are significant and instant.
Sorting out ego's on every level is my guess and if we haf landed him things may have been different

 

[feenix67]

Like I said previously in the next coach thread, an internal review in 2019 would’ve got rid of the same people the external one that the club spent all that money on did.

In football circles people always mention the Geelong 2006 & Richmond 2016 reviews where they didn’t sack the top brass & they won the flag next year as the reason why you shouldn’t just sack football staff that are totally inept and out of their depth as they might magically come good like they did those 2 times.

Most of the time things only improve when you change those that have the power over your most important commodities as a sporting organisation, the players, and it’s totally reliant on how they have shaped them and what output they get from them. You don’t need anyone to come in from the outside to just sack those blokes.

I beg to differ. Geelong and Richmond had 2 things in common - they didn't turn over their list and more importantly they had 2 very strong leaders at their club, Cook and Gale respectively.

 

[Firewalker]

I beg to differ. Geelong and Richmond had 2 things in common - they didn't turn over their list and more importantly they had 2 very strong leaders at their club, Cook and Gale respectively.

They’d also both played finals in multiple years prior to 1 down year that led to their subsequent reviews.

 

[dogs105]

The one that started as a full review of the club, before being repositioned as a review of the football department?

The one that saw the footy ops group turned over and a new coaching group appointed? The one that eventually saw the Chairman resign (he was already leaving anyway) and then the CEO, at the behest of the new Chairman?

In the just over four years since, the club has bottomed out, drafted poorly, rolled over to a group of 9 "protesters" and thus lost a third of its proposed new training facility, and re-signed a coach who, at the first sniff of finals, abandoned all development of youth within the squad.

The footy ops manager is an invisible squib, the Chairman is a master politician short on results and the Footy Ops Director has a messiah complex. The Board sits at the pleasure of the AFL insulated from fans who just keep turning up and supporting the boys.

And having bottomed out, we still continue to play EVERY senior player available on our list, irrespective of performance, and completely ignore the development of young players.

So at what point do we get Dunstall and Pav to come back to the club to see how we are tracking against the KPIs set by that review? At what point does Teflon Ricciutto come under scrutiny for the decisions he has made or influenced during this s**t show? At this rate, the club is not going to change until we can gain control of our club as members. 2027 folks.

You can always go support someone else..

 

[1970crow]

You can always go support someone else..

Agitators suck.

 

[feenix67]

They’d also both played finals in multiple years prior to 1 down year that led to their subsequent reviews.

yes thats true, their issues were not getting the most out of the lists they had. both made major changes to how the footy department operated and the role of the coach. I remember Thompson not being very happy with it at the time, but in both cases, the coach did change their ways. I wonder if ours would?

 

[1970crow]

yes thats true, their issues were not getting the most out of the lists they had. both made major changes to how the footy department operated and the role of the coach. I remember Thompson not being very happy with it at the time, but in both cases, the coach did change their ways. I wonder if ours would?

Our coach is a functioning moron. Would be lucky to crack 100 on an IQ test.

 

[Samcro24]

How Adam Kelly got that job still amazes me.

It shouldn't. Nothing amazes me anymore.

 

[Mostyn]

Not a real club right now. It's a business and the players clearly have lost faith.

The opposite is true.

If we were a proper business, there'd be greater pressure on results and you'd actually see people pursue better outcomes.

Instead, we're a middling charity in a middling state that's just happy to get by.

Reasonably good is always good enough.

 

[Mostyn]

And there is zero guarantee that the members will get control as well.

Read clause 7.2 of our Constitution. The board controls our destiny, the same board that decided Nicks should be extended after round 1. Think about that.

I don't give a crap about the members getting control.

I'd happily sell the club to Mark Cuban, if it meant we'd see people hungrier for success.

 

[1990crow]

The opposite is true.

If we were a proper business, there'd be greater pressure on results and you'd actually see people pursue better outcomes.

Instead, we're a middling charity in a middling state that's just happy to get by.

Reasonably good is always good enough.

Disagree. Fans keep turning up, memberships are more than ever. What metrics other than on field isn't performing if it's business first?

 

[Barneythecrab]

As disgusting as it would be, port going on a bit of a run and winning the flag would help us big time. Nothing our club hates more than looking bad compared to port.

 

[WetCrow1991]

You can always go support someone else..

How Roo survived is a major part of the problem.

 

[Mostyn]

Disagree. Fans keep turning up, memberships are more than ever. What metrics other than on field isn't performing if it's business first?

We're not in any way run like a business.

If we were, people might need to actually deliver in their jobs.

We're run like the public service.

 

[1990crow]

We're not in any way run like a business.

If we were, people might need to actually deliver in their jobs.

We're run like the public service.

The business is to make money. The people are delivering.

 

[n4sir]

The business is to make money. The people are delivering.

Yep. As long as the "customers" keep showing up at AO, they really don't give a crap.

If we start regularly getting crowds <30K and the tarps start coming out, then the board and the AFL will finally get concerned.

 

[Sanders]

The opposite is true.

If we were a proper business, there'd be greater pressure on results and you'd actually see people pursue better outcomes.

Instead, we're a middling charity in a middling state that's just happy to get by.

Reasonably good is always good enough.

Correct

 

[Sanders]

Disagree. Fans keep turning up, memberships are more than ever. What metrics other than on field isn't performing if it's business first?

There is no stability, growth and long term security whilst that “other” does so much lifting

 

[Sanders]

The business is to make money. The people are delivering.

What don’t you get?

The golden goose doesn’t lay without performance