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We can argue about semantics, but you can't tell me that the VFL was professional when some players were working Saturday morning and catching a tram to play Saturday afternoon. If an elite sportsman had to work because of financial necessity, then I don't consider the sport professional. This was still the case in the 80s. The demands on an AFL footballer these days are far far greater than they were 25 years ago. Then there's the formation of the AFL Commission, tv rights, etc

You cannot compare AFL today to the VFL of the 1980s. I could perhaps understand a KPP playing because of team injuries, say a 3rd or 4th ruckman, a full forward in form in the reserves, but a 172cm tyke? The Bulldogs are desperate and it's an odd selection, especially given that it hasn't been done for over a quarter of a century.

 

[Chris who]

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Actually, the VFL has been a professional sport, at large, for about 90 years. It is true that Hawthorn was essentially an amateur club until the middle 1950s (witness its shocking success rate of 21.55 percent or less than four wins a season to the end of 1953), that St. Kilda could not pay its players enough to be tangible until the same period, and that Melbourne preferred finding jobs to paying players. However, if you look at clubs like Carlton and Richmond, who acquired generous wealthy patrons and were willing and able to pay players for more than the Coulter Law allowed, it is impossible to conclude that the top VFL clubs were not professional eighty years ago.

professional or smi professional?

 

[red+black]

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Andrew Hooper becomes the Bulldogs' first finals debutant on Saturday. All of the traditional VFL clubs are now represented on the list:

Player             Year Rd Cb Op R   Age   CMa
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Hooper, Andrew     2010 SF WB Sy   19y236d
...

Ron, can you trim this list of 32 to just those that
a) debuted in a final
b) goaled in their debut

 

[RogersResults]

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We can argue about semantics, but you can't tell me that the VFL was professional when some players were working Saturday morning and catching a tram to play Saturday afternoon. If an elite sportsman had to work because of financial necessity, then I don't consider the sport professional.

Here's an article by Hugh Buggy written in 1952 for those interested in the history of payments to players and "professionalism".

http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/23176453?searchTerm="Coulter+Law"

 

[Ron The Bear]

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Ron, can you trim this list of 32 to just those that
a) debuted in a final
b) goaled in their debut

Player             Year Rd Cb Op R   Age   CMa G
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Hooper, Andrew     2010 SF WB Sy W 19y236d   1 1
Spargo, Paul       1985 SF NM WB L 18y341d  90 1
Brereton, Dermott  1982 SF Ha NM W 18y 23d 211 5
Cooke, Michael C.  1975 SF Ha NM W 21y270d   2 4
Dunstan, Graeme    1972 SF Co St L 19y262d  31 2
Payze, Travis      1966 SF St Co L 20y 70d 127 3
Vine, Fred         1926 GF Me Co W 22y  8d 105 1
Chapman, Charlie   1924 RR Fi Ri W 19y253d 104 2
Harris, Jacky      1924 RR Sy Fi W 23y315d   6 3
Miller, Gil        1924 RR Sy Fi W 21y 41d   1 1
James, Billy R.    1920 GF Ri Co W 20y145d   1 1
Stranger, Bill     1897 RR Co Ge L 25y312d  17 1
Cochrane, George   1897 RR Es Co W 19y337d  22 1
Campbell, Colin M. 1897 RR Es Ge W 25y  8d  12 1

 

[RogersResults]

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2010 Finals - Week 2 – Trivia

1 ) 3rd time this year Geelong has lost only 1 quarter of a match by 1 pt.

2 ) Geelong has doubled Fremantle's score in 23% (6/26) of their matches against each other.

3 ) WB/Footscray v Sydney/SM: Only the 7th match ever played where the scores were even at 1/4 and 3/4 time.

4 ) Sydney/SM is the first team to score 5 goals 0 behinds in the 2nd quarter and then 0 goals 5 behinds in the 3rd.

5) There has now been 3 finals in this series with equal scoring shots, the most ever in any finals series.


Details and More Here:

 

[worbod]

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Each club's last five premierships at any level

Adelaide 2003 (Night), 1998 (Seniors), 1997 (Seniors)
Brisbane Lions 2003 (Seniors), 2002 (Seniors), 2001 (Seniors), 1991 (Reserves) if you include Brisbane Bears
Carlton 2007 (Night), 2005 (Night), 1997 (Night), 1995 (Seniors), 1990 (Reserves)
Collingwood 1990 (Seniors), 1986 (Under 19), 1979 (Night), 1976 (Reserves), 1974 (Under 19)
Essendon 2000 (Seniors), 2000 (Night), 1999 (Reserves), 1996 (Lightning), 1994 (Night)
Fitzroy 1989 (Reserves), 1982 (Under 19), 1978 (Night), 1974 (Reserves), 1959 (Night)
Footscray 2010 (Night), 1998 (Reserves), 1994 (Reserves), 1988 (Reserves), 1970 (Night)
Geelong 2009 (Seniors), 2009 (Night), 2007 (Seniors), 2006 (Night), 1982 (Reserves)
Hawthorn 2008 (Seniors), 1999 (Night), 1992 (Night), 1991 (Seniors), 1991 (Night)
Melbourne 1993 (Reserves), 1989 (Night), 1987 (Night), 1984 (Reserves), 1983 (Under 19)
North Melbourne 1999 (Seniors), 1998 (Night), 1996 (Seniors), 1996 (Reserves), 1995 (Reserves)
Port Adelaide 2004 (Seniors), 2002 (Night), 2001 (Night)
Richmond 1997 (Reserves), 1989 (Under 19), 1985 (Under 19), 1980 (Seniors), 1980 (Under 19)
St. Kilda 2008 (Night), 2004 (Night), 1996 (Night), 1966 (Seniors), 1961 (Reserves)
South Melb/ Sydney 2005 (Seniors), 1982 (Night), 1960 (Night), 1957 (Night), 1956 (Under 19)
West Coast 2006 (Seniors), 1994 (Seniors), 1992 (Seniors)


Interesting to note that Collingwood is the club who have to go back furthest to claim their most recent premiership, bearing in mind Fitzroy's plight. I couldn't be bothered waiting two extra weeks to see whether they take this year's big one.

 

[mianfei]

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We can argue about semantics, but you can't tell me that the VFL was professional when some players were working Saturday morning and catching a tram to play Saturday afternoon. If an elite sportsman had to work because of financial necessity, then I don't consider the sport professional. This was still the case in the 80s. The demands on an AFL footballer these days are far far greater than they were 25 years ago.

Here's an article by Hugh Buggy written in 1952 for those interested in the history of payments to players and "professionalism".

It’s a very interesting article to note that only 11 percent of the money in football was paid to players in those days. It is true that in the rigorously professional American leagues there have been many player disputes (always resolved in favour of team owners) that have become so bad as to cancel half of a couple of seasons, but I would doubt if players received as little as 11 percent of the money in such leagues.

What I see as the key issue is this: most of the clubs, historically based among Melbourne’s working classes, possessed no inherent opposition to a fully professional league, the three historically “middle class” clubs of Hawthorn, Melbourne and St. Kilda were vigorously opposed to it. The culture of the affluent suburbs Hawthorn and St. Kilda represented was in general strongly opposed to any form of professionalism and wished the VFL to remain strictly amateur long after payments to players were authorised. Melbourne was controlled by the MCC, which was a bastion of amateurism in cricket and football, and preferred finding jobs to directly playing players in this period.

Unfortunately, Melbourne failed to build on its success, contesting the finals just twice over the next decade and a half, and bowing out at the first hurdle on both occasions. Football during this period was becoming more and more overtly professional, with payment to players, which had been going on “under the lap”, so to speak, for many years, finally being accorded official sanction by the VFL in 1911. Melbourne, which after all was controlled by that bastion of amateurism, the MCC, was strongly opposed to the payment of players, as was University. Indeed, it would be many years yet before a player took to the field in the colours of the Melbourne Football Club in return for tangible remuneration. Adherence to the “amateur ideal” was also a principle reason for Melbourne’s withdrawal from the VFL competition for the duration of the First World War.

Dealing with the conservative, noncompetitive culture of south-of-Yarra Melbourne was very difficult for the VFL in those days. The VFL knew, I imagine, that if it did what Hugh Buggy suggested, Hawthorn and St. Kilda would with their limited supporter base and no significant local patrons have folded very quickly. It could not accept that it was uneconomic full stop to have a club in the eastern suburbs because there was general hostility to competitive sport - exactly like how forty years later the AFL could not accept the lack of demand pre-Super League for Australian Rules in New South Wales and Queensland. The VFL was thus in a delicate balance which it obviously could not resolve to the satisfaction of everybody both inside and outside the League.

Buggy is right that without zoning and the Coulter Law many players would have changed clubs. The classic case is Col Austen, who wished to play for Carlton as a boy and played for their reserves, but was zoned to Hawthorn and forced to play for that club. There can be no doubt, though, that had Austen been able to play for Carlton - who with generous local patrons and a large support base could (and did) pay players far more than the legal £3 per match - he would have played far more than the 135 games he actually played and the Blues would very likely have won more than their two premierships during this period. Hawthorn could pay its players virtually nothing and consequently Austen spent four years in the war. Carlton and Richmond - then the two richest clubs in the League - could pay their players enough to stop them from enlisting in the military as virtually no other club could. The result was that they lost no more than one or two senior-list players and none of their stars to the military, whereas impoverished Hawthorn and MCC-controlled Melbourne lost many of their very best players.

 

[Ron The Bear]

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Most individual opponents played against:

Opnt Player              Club(s)     Gms
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1625 Murray, Kevin       Fi          333
1608 Harvey, Robert      St          383
1584 Whitten senior, Ted WB          321
1559 Salmon, Paul        Es,Ha,Es    324
1533 Nicholls, John      Ca          328
1530 Dyer senior, Jack   Ri          312
1527 Tuck, Michael       Ha          426
1517 Reynolds, Dick      Es          320
1484 Bartlett, Kevin     Ri          403
1474 Hawkins, Doug       WB,Fi       350
1462 Madden, Simon       Es          378
1458 Hutchison, Bill     Es          290
1455 Fletcher, Dustin    Es          328
1454 Bradley, Craig      Ca          375
1447 Roos, Paul          Fi,Sy       356
1442 Merrett, Roger      Es,Br       313
1431 Grant, Chris        WB          341
1429 Blakey, John        Fi,NM       359
1423 Lockett, Tony       St,Sy       281
1419 Cloke, David        Ri,Co,Ri    333
1408 Loewe, Stewart      St          321
1406 Rantall, John       Sy,NM,Sy,Fi 336
1405 Lynch, Alastair     Fi,Br       306
1404 Burke, Nathan       St          323
1399 Titus, Jack         Ri          294
1398 Johnson, Brad       WB          363
1398 Olliver, Arthur     WB          272

Most teammates played with:

Tmt Player                Club(s)     Gms
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299 Eicke, Wels           St,NM,St    218
290 Rantall, John         Sy,NM,Sy,Fi 336
280 Lever, Harry          St          218
269 Bennett, George       Ha,WB,Ha    200
269 Cloke, David          Ri,Co,Ri    333
267 Osborne, Richard      Fi,Sy,WB,Co 283
255 Cazaly, Roy           St,Sy       198
251 McCabe, Dick          Fi,St,Sy    148
243 Woodcock, Bill        St          155
242 Cumberland, Vic       Me,St       176
238 Hawkins, Doug         WB,Fi       350
235 Skilton, Bob          Sy          237
234 Keenan, Peter         Me,NM,Es,Me 213
234 Lockett, Tony         St,Sy       281
233 Curcio, Frank         Fi          249
233 Raines, Geoff         Ri,Co,Es,Br 254
233 Schmidt, Billy        Ri,St,Ri    165
232 Clegg, Ron            Sy          231
232 Ditterich, Carl       St,Me,St,Me 285
232 Lewis, Johnny Francis NM,Me       196
231 Dangerfield, Gordon   St          159
230 Thorp, Vic            Ri          262
230 Whitten senior, Ted   WB          321

Most players coached:

Ply Coach                Club(s)        Gms
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367 Minogue, Dan         Ri,Ha,Ca,St,Fi 363
363 McHale, Jock         Co             713
349 Barassi, Ron D.      Me,Ca,NM,Me,Sy 515
336 Hafey, Tom           Ri,Co,Ge,Sy    522
291 Smith, Norm W.       Fi,Me,Sy       452
288 Malthouse, Mick      WB,WC,Co       636
286 Parkin, David        Ha,Ca,Fi,Ca    518
266 Jeans, Allan         St,Ha,Ri       575
265 Walls, Robert        Fi,Ca,Br,Ri    347
262 Stephen, Bill        Fi,Es,Fi       258
257 Worrall, John        Ca,Es          279
256 Hughes senior, Frank Ri,Me          378
255 Clark, Norman        Ca,Ri,Ca,St,NM 214
246 Northey, John        Sy,Me,Ri,Br    315
245 Bentley, Percy       Ri,Ca          414
238 Hall, Alec           St,Me,Ri,Me,Ha 155
238 Kennedy, John J.     Ha,NM          411
223 Sheedy, Kevin        Es             635
219 Matthews, Leigh      Co,Br          461

Most players coached against:

Opnt Coach                Club(s)        Gms
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2831 McHale, Jock         Co             713
2354 Jeans, Allan         St,Ha,Ri       575
2156 Malthouse, Mick      WB,WC,Co       636
2148 Sheedy, Kevin        Es             635
2142 Barassi, Ron D.      Me,Ca,NM,Me,Sy 515
2027 Smith, Norm W.       Fi,Me,Sy       452
1942 Kennedy, John J.     Ha,NM          411
1912 Bentley, Percy       Ri,Ca          414
1901 Parkin, David        Ha,Ca,Fi,Ca    518
1892 Reynolds, Dick       Es             415
1821 Hughes senior, Frank Ri,Me          378
1812 Hafey, Tom           Ri,Co,Ge,Sy    522
1802 Matthews, Leigh      Co,Br          461
1755 Minogue, Dan         Ri,Ha,Ca,St,Fi 363
1706 Hickey, Reg          Ge             304
1559 Stephen, Bill        Fi,Es,Fi       258
1469 Walls, Robert        Fi,Ca,Br,Ri    347
1405 Blight, Malcolm      NM,Ge,Ad,St    250

Most coaches coached against:

Opp Coach                Club(s)        Gms
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127 McHale, Jock         Co             713
 90 Minogue, Dan         Ri,Ha,Ca,St,Fi 363
 86 Hughes senior, Frank Ri,Me          378
 84 Jeans, Allan         St,Ha,Ri       575
 78 Malthouse, Mick      WB,WC,Co       636
 77 Barassi, Ron D.      Me,Ca,NM,Me,Sy 515
 76 Parkin, David        Ha,Ca,Fi,Ca    518
 76 Sheedy, Kevin        Es             635
 71 Bentley, Percy       Ri,Ca          414
 69 Kennedy, John J.     Ha,NM          411
 68 Hafey, Tom           Ri,Co,Ge,Sy    522
 66 Reynolds, Dick       Es             415
 66 Smith, Norm W.       Fi,Me,Sy       452
 64 Matthews, Leigh      Co,Br          461

 

[Ron The Bear]

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Most individual players played with or coached:

547 Minogue, Dan
533 McHale, Jock
515 Barassi, Ron D.
492 Smith, Norm W.
438 Malthouse, Mick
422 Walls, Robert
419 Hafey, Tom
418 Parkin, David
418 Reynolds, Dick
416 Whitten senior, Ted
410 Eicke, Wels
402 Cazaly, Roy


Most individual players played against + players coached against + coaches coached against:

3372 McHale, Jock
2992 Sheedy, Kevin
2991 Barassi, Ron D.
2945 Smith, Norm W.
2820 Parkin, David
2819 Malthouse, Mick
2812 Matthews, Leigh
2787 Jeans, Allan
2720 Kennedy, John J.
2500 Bentley, Percy

 

[muttley45]

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1. West Coast are the only team to never be 16th on the ladder at any stage in the year

oh well,that record is officially broken

 

[UpForGrabs]

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Both Graham Moss and Barry Cable won seven Best & Fairest awards in a row across two states;

Moss

Essendon: 1974-75-76
Claremont: 1977-78-79-80

(Surprisingly, he didn't win Essendon's Best & Fairest in his first VFL year in 1973, even though he polled 25 Brownlow Medal votes, two shy of Keith Greig's winning tally of 27.)

Cable

Perth: 1965-66-67-68-69
North Melbourne: 1970
Perth: 1971

 

[Connor7395]

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Longest suspension for a rugby player 16 years or under....

Sydney: On August 9, 1982, 16 year old Jason Harris was suspended for 14 years for headbutting an umpire during a match between Blacktown High and Evans High in Blacktown. He was banned until the first day of October in 1996.

By contrast, the VFL is lenient. Phil Carman copped 16 weeks for headbutting an umpire two years back, and an extra 4 for striking. Back in the old days, striking 'd get you life.

 

[mianfei]

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Longest suspension for a rugby player 16 years or under....

Sydney: On August 9, 1982, 16 year old Jason Harris was suspended for 14 years for headbutting an umpire during a match between Blacktown High and Evans High in Blacktown. He was banned until the first day of October in 1996.

By contrast, the VFL is lenient. Phil Carman copped 16 weeks for headbutting an umpire two years back, and an extra 4 for striking. Back in the old days, striking 'd get you life.

In the VFA, a Northcote player called Jack Perkins was suspended for 25 years in the 1930s, but was able to play with St. Kilda because of the lack of a permit agreement with he VFL.

 

[worbod]

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There was an interesting stat mentioned on radio earlier this year that since winning their last premiership in 1980, Richmond have played in as many finals as Fitzroy, who of course perished in 1996. Both teams since 1980 have played 8 finals for 3 wins and 5 losses. It is interesting to go a bit further and see how both teams performed in all games between 1981 and 1996.

After finishing as runner up in 1982, Richmond had played 46 matches over 1981 and 1982 for 32 wins and 14 losses. Fitzroy also had played 46 matches for 27 wins, 18 losses and 1 draw. This, naturally, gave Richmond a better winning percentage. After a wonderful 1983 season, Fitzroy's winning percentage overtook that of Richmond's, and managed to stay ahead until the end of 1994. By this stage the Lions now had played 314 games for 137 wins, 176 losses and 1 draw, for a winning percentage of 43.789. Richmond had played 308 games for 118 wins and 190 losses for a winning percentage of 38.311.

Richmond's winning percentage for all games beyond 1980 first fell below 50% during 1986 and has stayed that way since, dropping as low as 37.062 at the end of 1993. Fitzroy's winning percentage for all games dropped below 50% during 1988, though at the end of 1989 it was 49.757. Their winning percentage since 1981 only dropped into the 30s during their final season of 1996.

Even after Richmond's great improvement and Fitzroy's woeful decline in 1995, the Roys still had a better winning percentage than Richmond, thus it was only after Fitzroy's disastrous 1996 season that Richmond finally took back the honour of the better winning percentage. At the end of 1996, Fitzroy had played 358 games between 1981 and 1996 for 140 wins, 217 losses and 1 draw, for a winning percentage of 39.245. Richmond had played 355 games for 145 wins, 209 losses and 1 draw for a winning percentage of 40.985.

By the end of 2001, taking into account Richmond's most recent finals appearance, their winning percentage since 1981 had improved to 43.482 from 468 games.

 

[mianfei]

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There was an interesting stat mentioned on radio earlier this year that since winning their last premiership in 1980, Richmond have played in as many finals as Fitzroy, who of course perished in 1996. Both teams since 1980 have played 8 finals for 3 wins and 5 losses. It is interesting to go a bit further and see how both teams performed in all games between 1981 and 1996.

It is well-known to insiders that the AFL of the 1990s knew Richmond, with their long-established tradition of wealthy supporters dating back to the 1920s, would be much harder to dispose of from the competition than Fitzroy, though between 1983 and 1993 Richmond won only 74 of 240 games (success rate 30.83%) and Fitzroy won 105 of 245 games (success rate 42.86%). Inside Football issues from 1987 which I read a couple of months ago suggested that - although in 1990 Richmond had only 4,974 members and Fitzroy 6,025 according to the Gaumont Football Yearbook - that the AFL saw a successful Richmond as boosting crowds, which it was desperate to do to avoid the heavy losses of the middle 1980s.

 

[angus BEEF]

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Fitzroy's 1916 premiership came in a year when the club also won the wooden spoon.

Only four teams contested the premiership that year, and at the end of the home and away rounds all teams made the finals. Fitzroy finished last at the end of the home-and-away season but finished strongly in the finals to complete a stunning form reversal.

 

[red+black]

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^ Dude, that gets repeated a lot. I don't think there'd be many people left that didn't know about 1916.

 

[worbod]

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Percentage of kicks that resulted in goals

Here is a comparison of known "kicks resulting in goals percentages" for players during a career, for those with over 500 goals.


Percentage Player . . . . . Club/s . . . . . Goals Kicks
57.456 . . Tony Lockett . . St. K/Syd . . . .1360 . 2367
52.272 . . Simon Beasley . .Foot . . . . . . .575 . 1100
51.921 . . Brian Taylor . . Rich/Coll . . . . 527 . 1015
48.231 . . Jason Dunstall . Haw . . . . . . .1254 . 2600
47.342 . . Tony Modra . . . Adel/Fre . . . . .588 . 1242
40.250 . . Peter Sumich . . WCE . . . . . . . 514 . 1277
39.979 . . Sav Rocca . . . .Coll/North . . . .748 . 1871
34.823 . . Brendan Fevola . Carl/Bris L . . . 623 . 1789
34.170 . . Matthew Lloyd . .Ess . . . . . . . 926 . 2710
33.203 . . John Longmire . .North . . . . . . 511 . 1539
32.328 . . Gary Ablett . . .Haw/Geel . . . . 1030 . 3186
30.914 . . Daniel Bradshaw .Bris L/Syd . . . .524 . 1695
28.412 . . Barry Hall . . . St. K/Syd/Foot . .691 . 2432
26.329 . . Stephen Kernahan Carl . . . . . . .738 . 2803
25.957 . . Matty Richardson Rich . . . . . . .800 . 3082
25.703 . . David Neitz . . .Melb . . . . . . .631 . 2455
25.534 . . Fraser Gehrig . .WCE/St. K . . . . 549 . 2150
25.199 . . Alistair Lynch . Fitz/Bris L . . . 633 . 2512
22.599 . . Wayne Carey . . .North/Adel . . . .727 . 3217
21.411 . . Warren Tredrea . Port . . . . . . .549 . 2564
19.304 . . Paul Salmon . . .Ess/Haw . . . . . 561 . 2906
18.642 . . Richard Osborne .Fit/Syd/Foot/Coll 574 . 3079
18.429 . . Simon Madden . . Ess . . . . . . . 575 . 3120
18.090 . . Mick O'Loughlin .Syd . . . . . . . 521 . 2880
17.647 . . Stewart Leowe . .St. K . . . . . . 594 . 3366
16.422 . . Peter Daicos . . Coll . . . . . . .549 . 3343
15.937 . . Chris Grant . . .Foot . . . . . . .554 . 3476
10.896 . . Brad Johnson . . Foot . . . . . . .558 . 5121
.9.362 . . Kevin Bartlett . Rich . . . . . . .778 . 8310

 

[RogersResults]

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Preliminary Finals 2010 – Trivia


1) 11th time Collingwood has won a match by 40 pts. or more this year, their equal most in 1 season.

2) Collingwood's 8th 1st quarter score of 6 goals or more this season - their most ever in 1 season.

3) 37 pts: Geelong's greatest 1st quarter deficit since round 14, 1990 - 44 pts - 0.2-2 v Hawthorn 7.4-46.

4 ) 6th time this year that St Kilda has won a match after losing the first half, their equal most with 1975 in 1 season.

5) 4th match played as a preliminary to the Grand Final that St Kilda has won after losing the first half . Previous: 1913 v Fitzroy. 1971 v Richmond, 2009 v WB/Footscray. They lost all 3 following Grand Finals but in their only Grand Final win in 1966 v Collingwood they lost the first half.


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[Supermercado]

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Colin Sylvia kicked a goal with his first kick... in his second game. How many other players have gone one (or more) games without a kick and then got a goal with their first one?

 

[Ron The Bear]

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Colin Sylvia kicked a goal with his first kick... in his second game. How many other players have gone one (or more) games without a kick and then got a goal with their first one?

The AFL Record Season Guide lists the following:
Fabian Deluca (PA) 2006 v Br - after two kickless games
Ben Moore (Ri) 1996 v St - goaled with his first two kicks
Mark Williams (Ha) 2002 v Me
Allan Murray (St) 2003 v Ha, although all the stats sites show him as having had one kick on debut

Curiously, Sylvia is not listed.

 

[Supermercado]

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Cheers for that, Fabian Deluca is the lucky winner. And there's something you don't hear every day.

 

[pie_town]

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Collingwood has never played a match in its entire VFL/AFL history without at least one player who had past played in or went on to play in a grand final for the club.

 

[BartBart]

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Probably not obscure or random - but the last time Swan Districts (WAFL black & whites) won a Premiership (1990) Collingwoood also won. Hope it is not an omen!

Percentage of kicks that resulted in goals

Here is a comparison of known "kicks resulting in goals percentages" for players during a career, for those with over 500 goals.


Percentage Player . . . . . Club/s . . . . . Goals Kicks
57.456 . . Tony Lockett . . St. K/Syd . . . .1360 . 2367
52.272 . . Simon Beasley . .Foot . . . . . . .575 . 1100
51.921 . . Brian Taylor . . Rich/Coll . . . . 527 . 1015
48.231 . . Jason Dunstall . Haw . . . . . . .1254 . 2600
47.342 . . Tony Modra . . . Adel/Fre . . . . .588 . 1242
40.250 . . Peter Sumich . . WCE . . . . . . . 514 . 1277
39.979 . . Sav Rocca . . . .Coll/North . . . .748 . 1871
34.823 . . Brendan Fevola . Carl/Bris L . . . 623 . 1789
34.170 . . Matthew Lloyd . .Ess . . . . . . . 926 . 2710
33.203 . . John Longmire . .North . . . . . . 511 . 1539
32.328 . . Gary Ablett . . .Haw/Geel . . . . 1030 . 3186
30.914 . . Daniel Bradshaw .Bris L/Syd . . . .524 . 1695
28.412 . . Barry Hall . . . St. K/Syd/Foot . .691 . 2432
26.329 . . Stephen Kernahan Carl . . . . . . .738 . 2803
25.957 . . Matty Richardson Rich . . . . . . .800 . 3082
25.703 . . David Neitz . . .Melb . . . . . . .631 . 2455
25.534 . . Fraser Gehrig . .WCE/St. K . . . . 549 . 2150
25.199 . . Alistair Lynch . Fitz/Bris L . . . 633 . 2512
22.599 . . Wayne Carey . . .North/Adel . . . .727 . 3217
21.411 . . Warren Tredrea . Port . . . . . . .549 . 2564
19.304 . . Paul Salmon . . .Ess/Haw . . . . . 561 . 2906
18.642 . . Richard Osborne .Fit/Syd/Foot/Coll 574 . 3079
18.429 . . Simon Madden . . Ess . . . . . . . 575 . 3120
18.090 . . Mick O'Loughlin .Syd . . . . . . . 521 . 2880
17.647 . . Stewart Leowe . .St. K . . . . . . 594 . 3366
16.422 . . Peter Daicos . . Coll . . . . . . .549 . 3343
15.937 . . Chris Grant . . .Foot . . . . . . .554 . 3476
10.896 . . Brad Johnson . . Foot . . . . . . .558 . 5121
.9.362 . . Kevin Bartlett . Rich . . . . . . .778 . 8310

Note: Those % probably don't count other missed shots that didn't result in behinds (OOBOTF, didn't make the distance, etc.)

Colin Sylvia kicked a goal with his first kick... in his second game. How many other players have gone one (or more) games without a kick and then got a goal with their first one?

And how many kicks has a player gone before one is not a goal? I remember Metropolis kicked four goals in his first 4 kicks to start his AFL career.