Stats observations

[RedmanWasHere]

I presume the first player would be Mario Bortolotto.
The great Bob Pratt would be the last mentioned.
Who is the player who missed the bus?

Maybe Gary Sidebottom.

 

[emuboy]

Here is an analysis of teams that made the finals every year in a decade, and clubs that failed to make the finals at all in a particular decade from 1900 onwards:

FINALS EVERY YEAR
1900s: Collingwood
1990s: West Coast Eagles

NO FINALS APPEARANCE:
1900s: Richmond, University
1910s: University
1920s: Bulldogs, Hawthorn, North Melbourne
1930s: Bulldogs, Essendon, Fitzroy, Hawthorn, North Melbourne
1940s: Hawthorn, St Kilda
1950s: Hawthorn, Richmond, St Kilda, South Melbourne
1960s: North Melbourne, South Melbourne
1970s: Melbourne
1980s: Brisbane Bears, St Kilda
1990s: Fitzroy
2000s: None
2010s (To Date): Brisbane Lions, Gold Coast, GWS, Melbourne

 

[Procrastinator35]

[QUOTE="emuboy, post: 42659451, member: 34329"

No Finals Appearance:

1950s: Hawthorn, Richmond, St Kilda, South Melbourne
[/QUOTE]

Hawks played finals in 1957.

 

[worbod]

Here is an analysis of teams that made the finals every year in a decade, and clubs that failed to make the finals at all in a particular decade from 1900 onwards:

FINALS EVERY YEAR
1900s: Collingwood
1990s: West Coast Eagles

NO FINALS
1930s: Bulldogs, Essendon, Fitzroy, Hawthorn, North Melbourne

Footscray played in the 1938 finals.

 

[RedmanWasHere]

May've posted this earlier in the thread but, at the end of 2012, some players not only swapped clubs but traded guernsey numbers as well.

Tom Hickey went from No. 40 to No. 1.
Hamish McIntosh, No. 1 to No. 17.
Shannon Byrnes, No. 17 to No. 10.
Cale Morton, No. 10 to No. 40.

 

[emuboy]

Footscray played in the 1938 finals.

Sorry about this mistake and the one about Hawthorn in the 1950s; I made some typos.

 

[North park]

Maybe Gary Sidebottom.

You are right - it was Garry Sidebottom who missed the Geelong team bus to the 1981 Prelim Final at Waverley.

And he never played for Geelong again, transferring to Fitzroy the next year.

 

[LiterallyNobody]

Here's one I noticed earlier today.

The final ladder at the end of 1999 was EXACTLY the same as the penultimate round. How this occurred was the top four teams all won. The teams 5th-8th all lost. The teams 9th to 12th all won and the bottom four all lost! Big wins didn't make much difference to percentage because of the gap in games won at that point. I found this rather interesting. Wouldn't imagine there would be too many instances of this happening in the final two rounds of the season.

 

[emuboy]

Back in 1950, the Bulldogs won by 2 points in Round 14 and lost by the same margin in Round 15, but Footscray players, officials and supporters were probably more impressed with the loss than the win. The 2-point win was against bottom team Hawthorn, which had one of the poorest seasons on record in 1950, losing all 18 games with a dismal percentage of 49.8 at season's end; while the 2-point loss was against the all-conquering Essendon, which lost only 1 game for the season and comfortably won the premiership.

 

[Goggin Our Best]

1968 there was a bizarre finish to a game ( yet if it happened today most Geelong supporters would be over the moon )

It was on the Easter Monday or Queens Birthday public holiday Richmond ( the powerhouse - and thus hated ) played Hawthorn ( the piddly struggler) - i can remember listening to it in the car coming back from holidays

In a titantic finish it was a draw - players shook hands and left the arena

In the meantime - the 2 goal umpires as was standard for the day strode to the centre of the MCG to compare scores - they said hang on a tick the scoreboard is wrong - Richmond should have another point - we are going to amend the scores - which they did

So Richmond got the 4 points and Hawthorn got nothing

 

[35Daicos]

1968 there was a bizarre finish to a game ( yet if it happened today most Geelong supporters would be over the moon )

It was on the Easter Monday or Queens Birthday public holiday Richmond ( the powerhouse - and thus hated ) played Hawthorn ( the piddly struggler) - i can remember listening to it in the car coming back from holidays

In a titantic finish it was a draw - players shook hands and left the arena

In the meantime - the 2 goal umpires as was standard for the day strode to the centre of the MCG to compare scores - they said hang on a tick the scoreboard is wrong - Richmond should have another point - we are going to amend the scores - which they did

So Richmond got the 4 points and Hawthorn got nothing

You can read the story in The Age (page 1 & 10/11):-

https://news.google.com.au/newspapers?nid=MDQ-9Oe3GGUC&dat=19680611&printsec=frontpage&hl=en

 

[Rourke]

The Top Ten in the 1946 Brownlow Medal had first names that averaged 1.1 syllables and a succinct 3.7 letters, none more than four.

Don-Jack-Bill-Bert-Alan-Fred-Syd-Bill-Tom-Bill

Lou was equal 11th with Geoff & Harry.

The top five last year was Nat-Matt-Sam-Josh-Dan (3.6) before the average was blown out by Paddy (Patrick), Dustin, Callan and David.

 

[Rourke]

Rex Hunt finished equal-fifth in the 1974 Brownlow Medal with 15 votes (3×3, 3×2) from 22 games. Apparently it is not known how many he earned for Richmond (7 games) or Geelong (15) so the team vote totals are indeterminate. afltables.com has incorrectly assigned them all to Richmond.

 

[Catsace]

You can read the story in The Age (page 1 & 10/11):-

https://news.google.com.au/newspapers?nid=MDQ-9Oe3GGUC&dat=19680611&printsec=frontpage&hl=en

Totally unrelated to the thread, but gee the stories in that particular edition of the Age were fascinating, given it's just six weeks after i was born. The price of an XT GT Falcon at $4050 was illuminating too, as was the fact that Chris de Fraga is still around, having a little chat session on radio overnight on 3AW even now. But i have always liked history. Thanks for that link, most interesting!

 

[emuboy]

One of Richmond's most frustrating statistics for Tiger players, officials and supporters is that since the introduction of the Final 8 for 1994, Richmond have finished 9th six times - 1994, 1996, 1998, 2000, 2006 & 2008 - and after finishing 5th in 2013, were eliminated from the finals by 9th-placed Carlton, elevated into the finals due to the disqualification of Essendon.

Somewhat auspiciously, Richmond finished 9th in their first season in 1908. However, in 86 years between then and 1994 Richmond finished 9th just twice in two far-apart, long-ago seasons - 1912 & 1952 - which only makes things even more irritating for the Tigers.

 

[footyfan1978]

One of Richmond's most frustrating statistics for Tiger players, officials and supporters is that since the introduction of the Final 8 for 1994, Richmond have finished 9th six times - 1994, 1996, 1998, 2000, 2006 & 2008 - and after finishing 5th in 2013, were eliminated from the finals by 9th-placed Carlton, elevated into the finals due to the disqualification of Essendon.

Somewhat auspiciously, Richmond finished 9th in their first season in 1908.

The funniest thing was just knew it 2013 this was meant to be. Once we made finals from 9th spot and were playing Richmond we were always going to do them. Could not have asked for it to be scripted any better to be down by 5 or 6 goals down in first half only to come back and complete two weeks in a row of comebacks from that far down to win. We were not a finals bound side but we made it anyway and from 9th spot kicked the Tigers out...Classic moment in a period of rare highlights in recent times.

 

[Final Siren]

One of Richmond's most frustrating statistics for Tiger players, officials and supporters is that since the introduction of the Final 8 for 1994, Richmond have finished 9th six times - 1994, 1996, 1998, 2000, 2006 & 2008 - and after finishing 5th in 2013, were eliminated from the finals by 9th-placed Carlton, elevated into the finals due to the disqualification of Essendon.

Somewhat auspiciously, Richmond finished 9th in their first season in 1908. However, in 86 years between then and 1994 Richmond finished 9th just twice in two far-apart, long-ago seasons - 1912 & 1952 - which only makes things even more irritating for the Tigers.

I've always thought the 9th thing was a good example of confirmation bias. From 1994-2000, it really was a statistical anomaly: four times in 7 years! But twice in the next 16 years, not so much.

But since Ninthmond entered the general consciousness, people see nines lurking everywhere, to the point where even 2013 is counted, as you mention. Therefore 2013 held at least three positions for Richmond that would have been counted as continuing the mythology:

• Ninth
• Tenth, since 9th got to play finals, making 10th the new 9th
• Anywhere, if they lost to 9th

 

[stemline]

I've always thought the 9th thing was a good example of confirmation bias. From 1994-2000, it really was a statistical anomaly: four times in 7 years! But twice in the next 16 years, not so much.

But since Ninthmond entered the general consciousness, people see nines lurking everywhere, to the point where even 2013 is counted, as you mention. Therefore 2013 held at least three positions for Richmond that would have been counted as continuing the mythology:

• Ninth
• Tenth, since 9th got to play finals, making 10th the new 9th
• Anywhere, if they lost to 9th

 

[Final Siren]

Heh, excellent example! With a thousand ways to rank 18 teams, you can find 9s anywhere if you look hard enough. But once you find yourself posting ladders of the NAB Challenge after Week 2, you aren't proving a statistical quirk so much as the fact that 9 is a common number.

 

[North park]

Some facts about Norm Smith Medalists:

Maurice Rioli in 1982 is the only player to win the Norm Smith Medal in his first season in the VFL/AFL.

Brian Lake in 2013 is the only player to win the Norm Smith Medal the first year after transferring from another club. Lake moved from the Bulldogs to Hawthorn in 2013.

David Rhys-Jones in 1987 was the first player to win the Norm Smith Medal after starting his career with another club. Rhys-Jones started with South Melbourne/Sydney before transferring to Carlton.

Greg Williams in 1995 is the only player to win the Norm Smith Medal after previously playing with two other clubs. Williams started with Geelong before moving to Sydney and then finally Carlton.

Williams and Byron Pickett in 2004 are the only Norm Smith Medalists to have played with three clubs. Pickett started with North Melbourne, before moving to Port Adelaide (where he won his Norm Smith) and then finishing with Melbourne.

Pickett was the first player to move to another club after winning the Norm Smith Medal. He has since been followed by Chris Judd (West Coast to Carlton) and Paul Chapman (Geelong to Essendon). Steve Johnson will join them this year when he lines up for GWS.

Three players- Tony Shaw in 1990, James Hird in 2000 and Luke Hodge in 2014 - have captained the winning team and won the Norm Smith Medal. Nathan Buckley in 2002 is the only player to captain the losing team and win the Norm Smith Medal.

Chris Judd is the only player to win a Norm Smith Medal in a non-winning team to subsequently win a premiership. He captained West Coast to the 2006 premiership. Maurice Rioli (1982), Gary Ablett Snr (1989), Nathan Buckley (2002) and Lennie Hayes (2010 draw) never won a premiership.

Maurice Rioli in 1982 is the only player to win a Norm Smith Medal in his one and only Grand Final appearance. Every other winner has played in two or more Grand Finals. The most Grand Final appearances by a Norm Smith Medalist is 8 by Gary Ayres followed by 7 for Kevin Bartlett. Most premierships is 5 shared by Ayres (1983, 1986, 1988, 1989 and 1991) and Bartlett (1967, 1969, 1973, 1974 and 1980).

Byron Pickett is the only Norm Smith Medalist to win premierships with two different clubs, winning with North Melbourne in 1999 and Port Adelaide in 2004. Shannon Grant is the only Norm Smith Medalist to have lost a Grand Final with one club (Sydney in 1996) and won a Grand Final with another (North Melbourne in 1999).

The lowest jumper number worn by a Norm Smith Medalist is 2, worn by Dean Kemp in 1994 and Greg Williams in 1995. Highest jumper number is 37 worn by the first winner Wayne Harmes in 1979. Most common jumper number is 5, which has been worn by 4 different winners - Gary Ablett Snr in 1989, James Hird in 2000, Nathan Buckley in 2002 and Ryan O'Keefe in 2012.

 

[PendlePie]

Not sure if covered on this board before (or whether this is the right thread haha) but how many Brownlow + Premiership players have there been in VFL/AFL history?

 

[35Daicos]

Not sure if covered on this board before (or whether this is the right thread haha) but how many Brownlow + Premiership players have there been in VFL/AFL history?

PLAYERS WHO WON A BROWNLOW AND A PREMIERSHIP IN THE SAME YEAR:-
13 -

1926 – Ivor Warne-Smith (Melbourne)
1927 – Syd Coventry (Collingwood)
1929 – Albert Collier (Collingwood)
1930 – Harry Collier (Collingwood)
1947 – Bert Deacon (Carlton)
1951 – Bernie Smith (Geelong)
1966 – Ian Stewart (St Kilda)
1986 – Robert DiPierdomenico (Hawthorn)
1993 – Gavin Wanganeen (Essendon)
2001 - Jason Akermanis (Brisbane)
2002 - Simon Black (Brisbane)
2007 – Jimmy Bartel (Geelong)
2009 – Gary Ablett jnr. (Geelong)

 

[PendlePie]

13 -

1926 – Ivor Warne-Smith (Melbourne)
1927 – Syd Coventry (Collingwood)
1929 – Albert Collier (Collingwood)
1930 – Harry Collier (Collingwood)
1947 – Bert Deacon (Carlton)
1951 – Bernie Smith (Geelong)
1966 – Ian Stewart (St Kilda)
1986 – Robert DiPierdomenico (Hawthorn)
1993 – Gavin Wanganeen (Essendon)
2001 - Jason Akermanis (Brisbane)
2002 - Simon Black (Brisbane)
2007 – Jimmy Bartel (Geelong)
2009 – Gary Ablett jnr. (Geelong)

Thanks, I should've mentioned I didnt necessarily mean both had to be achieved in the same year! Any stats on that?

 

[35Daicos]

Thanks, I should've mentioned I didnt necessarily mean both had to be achieved in the same year! Any stats on that?

PLAYERS WHO WON A BROWNLOW AND A PREMIERSHIP AT ANY STAGE OF THEIR CAREER:-
Should be 37 -

1924 Greeves, Edward Geelong
1926 Warne-Smith, Ivor Melbourne (also 1928)
1927 Coventry, Syd Collingwood
1929 Collier, Albert Collingwood
1930 Judkins, Stan Richmond
1930 Collier, Harry Collingwood
1934 Reynolds, Dick Essendon (also 1937, 1938)
1939 Whelan, Marcus Collingwood
1939 Matthews, J. Herbie South Melbourne
1946 Cordner, Don Melbourne
1947 Deacon, Bert Carlton
1950 Ruthven, Allan Fitzroy
1951 Smith, Bernie Geelong
1952 Hutchison, Bill Essendon (also 1953)
1956 Box, Peter Footscray
1959 Howell, Verdun St Kilda
1962 Lord, Alistair Geelong
1965 Stewart, Ian St Kilda (also 1966 St Kilda, 1971 Richmond)
1967 Smith, Ross G. St Kilda
1973 Greig, Keith North Melbourne (also 1974)
1978 Blight, Malcolm North Melbourne
1986 DiPierdomenico, Robert Hawthorn
1986 Williams, Greg Sydney (also 1994 Carlton)
1987 Platten, John Hawthorn
1993 Wanganeen, Gavin Essendon
1996 Hird, James Essendon
1996 Voss, Michael Brisbane
1999 Crawford, Shane Hawthorn
2001 Akermanis, Jason Brisbane
2002 Black, Simon Brisbane
2003 Goodes, Adam Sydney (also 2006)
2003 Ricciuto, Mark Adelaide
2004 Judd, Chris West Coast (also 2010 Carlton)
2005 Cousins, Ben West Coast
2007 Bartel, Jimmy Geelong
2009 Ablett, Gary Jr. Geelong (also 2013 Gold Coast)
2011 Swan, Dane Collingwood

Edit. 83 (different) players have won a Brownlow Medal. 37 of them are also Premiership players.

 

[PendlePie]

Thanks for that mate