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1972 95 North Melbourne
1967 96 Western Bulldogs
1966 95 Fitzroy
1965 98 Hawthorn
1962 93 Richmond
1960 99 St Kilda
1956 98 Sydney
1953 83 Melbourne
1944 91 Geelong
1933 98 Essendon
1925 95 Carlton
1916 79 Collingwood
1914 71 University
 

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what's the average points score in ross lyon coached games (both teams combined) in comparison to other modern day coaches (say from 2007 onwards, since he took over st kilda).... surely he is the lowest... maybe paul roos??
 
Black Thunder said:
what's the average points score in ross lyon coached games (both teams combined) in comparison to other modern day coaches (say from 2007 onwards, since he took over st kilda).... surely he is the lowest... maybe paul roos??
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Code: 
AvScr Gms Coach
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233.0  16 Pagan, Denis
208.6   9 Riley, Mark
202.8  55 Wallace, Terry
201.7  67 Knights, Matthew
200.7   3 Williams, Paul
200.2   5 Viney, Todd
199.3  32 Hird, James
198.3   6 Bickley, Mark
198.1  31 Sheedy, Kevin
194.8  15 Connolly, Chris
194.1 107 Ratten, Brett
193.9 116 Eade, Rodney
192.8  53 Scott, Brad
192.1  53 Hardwick, Damien
191.5  84 Williams, Mark
190.4 100 Thompson, Mark
189.1  38 Primus, Matthew
188.9  31 McKenna, Guy
187.7  97 Harvey, Mark
187.1  60 Laidley, Dean
187 1  13 Daniher, Neale
187.0  44 Matthews, Leigh
186.8  34 Scott, Chris
184.9  83 Bailey, Dean
184.6   9 Watters, Scott
183.8 125 Malthouse, Mick
183.6 128 Clarkson, Alastair
183.5 124 Worsfold, John
183.4  11 Rawlings, Jade
180.3   9 Neeld, Mark
179.3  77 Voss, Michael
179.1   9 Sanderson, Brenton
176.3  93 Roos, Paul
174.1   9 Buckley, Nathan
171.7 108 Craig, Neil
168.5  33 Longmire, John
168.2  10 Crocker, Darren
166.4 130 Lyon, Ross
163.1   9 McCartney, Brendan


At Etihad (minimum 10 games):

Code: 
AvScr Ma Coach
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216.6 19 Thompson, Mark
210.6 12 Wallace, Terry
208.5 13 Hird, James
206.0 10 Sheedy, Kevin
203.3 62 Eade, Rodney
201.5 29 Knights, Matthew
196.5 26 Laidley, Dean
195.8 22 Worsfold, John
195.5 40 Ratten, Brett
194.5 19 Malthouse, Mick
194.2 32 Scott, Brad
193.7 11 Bailey, Dean
193.0 19 Craig, Neil
190.5 18 Clarkson, Alastair
186.2 12 Voss, Michael
183.5 16 Harvey, Mark
176.1 68 Lyon, Ross
170.0 10 Roos, Paul
 
RogersResults said:
Last I heard from Kevin Taylor, "If no answer this time next week, I will ask again."

That was the middle of last week.

There has been some records/stats project for the AFL that may have
distracted Mr. Hutchinson who was going to look in the League minutes.

I know that all the goal umpires reports have not been kept and it would
only be in the League minutes if it had been controversial or disputed in some way.

The evidence suggests that the score was misreported in the Melbourne
morning papers.

The edition of the Australasian following the match (5/9/1914) may have more evidence if anyone is near a library that keeps it.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/24966824?q=Australasian&c=article
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Have been to the reference library in Launceston this afternoon - I believe weight of evidence now in favour of 1914 1st Semi score being: South Melbourne 5.14 (44) d Geelong 5.7 (37).

The match report and qtr-by-qtr scores published in <i>The Australasian</i> issue of 12 Sept 1914 p586 show final score of 5.14 - 5.8

Two weeks later, the paper begin to publish a set of tabulated scores and mini-ladder for the "second round" [finals] matches and these reveal a different outcome.

The table shows Wins-Draws-Losses and Pts For & Pts Agst. The issue of 26 Sept page 699 shows Sth Melb's pts for and agst as 87-61, that is score vs Carlton 43-24 plus score vs Geelong 44-37. Geelong's pts for and agst in same list are shown as 37-44.

The next issue (3 Oct p759) again uses such a table for "second round" matches and it is updated to include the Carlton vs Sth Melb Grand Final score 45-39 thus showing Sth Melb's total pts for & agst as 126-106, and again Geelong's figures are given as 37-44.

The SM totals only work if the 1st Semi score is 44-37 [5.14 to 5.7] and given that is what was printed by some press outlets within days of the match, plus what I've described above, I think that is the score which should now be accepted.
 
the croucher said:
Have been to the reference library in Launceston this afternoon - I believe weight of evidence now in favour of 1914 1st Semi score being: South Melbourne 5.14 (44) d Geelong 5.7 (37).

The match report and qtr-by-qtr scores published in <i>The Australasian</i> issue of 12 Sept 1914 p586 show final score of 5.14 - 5.8

Two weeks later, the paper begin to publish a set of tabulated scores and mini-ladder for the "second round" [finals] matches and these reveal a different outcome.

The table shows Wins-Draws-Losses and Pts For & Pts Agst. The issue of 26 Sept page 699 shows Sth Melb's pts for and agst as 87-61, that is score vs Carlton 43-24 plus score vs Geelong 44-37. Geelong's pts for and agst in same list are shown as 37-44.

The next issue (3 Oct p759) again uses such a table for "second round" matches and it is updated to include the Carlton vs Sth Melb Grand Final score 45-39 thus showing Sth Melb's total pts for & agst as 126-106, and again Geelong's figures are given as 37-44.

The SM totals only work if the 1st Semi score is 44-37 [5.14 to 5.7] and given that is what was printed by some press outlets within days of the match, plus what I've described above, I think that is the score which should now be accepted.
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The Australasian after first reporting 5-8 later conforms with the Football Record which unless there is some over-riding evidence in League records (unlikely) should clinch it. Quite a few with less evidence have been corrected in recent years. I'll pass on your research.
 
What is the lowest ladder position held by a team who were the first to score 1000 points in a season? Can any team outdo North Melbourne, who are currently 11th?
 
worbod said:
What is the lowest ladder position held by a team who were the first to score 1000 points in a season? Can any team outdo North Melbourne, who are currently 11th?
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In 1981 Fitzroy 6th was one of three teams that went over 1,000 points in round 8 but Collingwood 1st would have got their before them during the afternoon.

In 1985 Fitzroy 11th were one of 7 teams that went over 1,000 points in round 9. Richmond (6th before and 8th after) on 984 points would have been the first to go over 1,000 points scoring 4.3-27 in the their first quarter.

Geelong in 1989 were 6th when they were the first to score 1,000 points.
(1,017 after 7 matches - Hawthorn 1st on the ladder had scored the next most - 930.)

I believe that Nth in 2012 are the lowest placed team to be first to 1,000 points. An indicator of what may be a surprising season as it develops.
 

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Ron The Bear said:
The Nathan Browns were a unique case, with all three being listed in 2007.

Once they've played a senior game, the AFL lists them with a middle initial, or gives a middle initial to the older player (e.g. Andrew J. Phillips b.1970). Then I update my database.

My master player list has 'official name' and 'display name' columns, e.g. Nick Justin Smith/Nick Smith, though I rarely bother with the display name these days.

Matthew Watson caused me some problems as it took a while to find out his middle initial (which is 'N') and my db was confusing him with the Matthew Watson from 1997 Essendon. He temporarily became 'Matthew Z. Watson' to me. :)

Occasionally they modify the player's first name, especially in cases where the more distinguished player was better known by the variation, e.g. Andy Collins (Ha), Andrew Collins (Ri).

There are others yet to debut - Luke Brown, Tom Campbell, Jamie Elliott.



Ah yes, the full stop. Not a very elegant solution.
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Although one of them played only one game, there were 2 Andrew Hill's on Collingwood's list in 2002.
 
With Jonathan Brown due to play his 100th game as captain of Brisbane Lions this weekend, who has played the most consecutive games as captain?
 
worbod said:
With Jonathan Brown due to play his 100th game as captain of Brisbane Lions this weekend, who has played the most consecutive games as captain?
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Pavlich? Tuck?

Couple from me. Last time a player kicked more than 14 goals across 2 consecutive games?

Last time Etihad had an AFL crowd above 50,000?
 
red+black said:
Couple from me. Last time a player kicked more than 14 goals across 2 consecutive games?

Last time Etihad had an AFL crowd above 50,000?
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LeCras in 2010 R15/16/17 (4,12,3). Before that it was J.Riewoldt in the same year (6,10).

R22 last year, 52052 for Carlton/Hawthorn.
 
Don't forget worbod's question re consecutive games for captains.

Geelong and GWS were level at 1/4 time and 1/2 time.

How many times has this happened? And the last time?

Biggest winning margins after two sides were level at half time?

Last time two players kicked 8+ goals in the same round?
 
^^

1) Haven't forgotten, don't know the answer

2) 12 times, 2008 R16 Ge v WB

3)

Code: 
Mn Cb Year Rd Opp
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83 Es 1990 14 Fi
78 Es 1993 13 Ri
76 NM 1978  8 Me
70 Sy 1978 10 Me
68 St 1975 12 Es
65 Ge 2012 10 GWS
63 Es 1969 18 St
61 WB 1958  3 Sy
61 Ge 2008 16 WB
60 Co 1989  6 Me
59 Ha 1995  5 Co
53 Br 1994  4 St
53 Sy 1979  2 Fi
53 PA 2002  4 Ca
52 Ri 1915 18 Es
51 Ri 1932  5 Ha
51 Es 1947  1 Sy
51 Fi 1986 17 Ha
50 Sy 1974 14 WB

4) 2011 R18, Milne & Betts
 

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