Stats questions

[Falchoon]

haha I remember that one, I had no interest in being there after a shyte season, and at quarter time was ready for the exits as we were predictably getting whacked.

In the end it was one of the more memorable game I have attended. I've probably got it on tape somewhere.

Nick Riewoldt's first win FWIW.

 

[Belnakor]

Maybe somebody will have a video of the match to confirm that St Kilda was never ahead of Hawthorn at any stage of the match.
10 of the matches in the list of 36 matches where the match was won with a goal after the siren were ones where the winning team trailed at the first 3 quarter breaks. None of the matches won with a behind after the siren were.

would only need to look at the last quarter since the hawks were at 45 at 1/4 time and the saints were at 46 at 1/2 and likewise Hawks at 63 at 1/2 time and saints were 61 at 3/4 time.

 

[SJ]

would only need to look at the last quarter since the hawks were at 45 at 1/4 time and the saints were at 46 at 1/2 and likewise Hawks at 63 at 1/2 time and saints were 61 at 3/4 time.

And the first quarter.

 

[goyoucatters]

haha I remember that one, I had no interest in being there after a shyte season, and at quarter time was ready for the exits as we were predictably getting whacked.

In the end it was one of the more memorable game I have attended. I've probably got it on tape somewhere.

Nick Riewoldt's first win FWIW.

Thanks for sharing your memories of this game.

If you have the game on tape can you verify whether the Saints led at any stage? Or does your memory serve you well enough to know one way or the other?

Cheers,
S.

 

[worbod]

Is it possible to visit the aflrecord.com.au website without being a member of Twitter?

 

[*Paul*]

Looks like the domain is pointed at Twitter, which suggests that's all it is, a Twitter thingy. I block all and everything Twitter and Facebook, dead end for me.

 

[the croucher]

Noticed Dunstall carrying on about "world record" number of boundary throw ins during Essendon v Sydney match - 92 or 93 I think was the figure.

Of course those of us fortunate enough to have a few Footy Week issues in collections quickly come across matches in mid to late 1960s where figures of high 90s up to 110-120 are sometimes recorded in VFL matches.

Has anyone ever seen a particular figure quoted as highest (and with source of info quoted) ?

Later in day when finished going through my collection of FWs I'll post list of top 3 or 4 I've found.

 

[worbod]

Port Adelaide have now won their first five games of the season and then lost their next five. Have any other clubs managed to do this, assuming that no club has ever won their first six then lost their next six. Conversely, has any club ever lost their first five then won their next five? If not, what would the record be in this context?

 

[Ron The Bear]

Port Adelaide have now won their first five games of the season and then lost their next five. Have any other clubs managed to do this, assuming that no club has ever won their first six then lost their next six. Conversely, has any club ever lost their first five then won their next five? If not, what would the record be in this context?

Geelong 1999, Collingwood 2000. No club's done more than W5,L5.

Hawthorn in 1960 went L5,W5. Again, no club's done more than 5.

 

[worbod]

Thanks Ron. Your response was a two minute turn-around. Must be your PB, surely?

 

[Ron The Bear]

Thanks Ron. Your response was a two minute turn-around. Must be your PB, surely?

Just chance that I happened to look at it as soon as you posted, and that it was easy to query.

 

[Catsace]

Just chance that I happened to look at it as soon as you posted, and that it was easy to query.

Certainly in the one season that's correct, Geelong did win Rd 22 1998 so technically went W6..L6...which advanced to 9 losses in a row before breaking that drought. I think this is in another thread or otherwise buried deep inside this one

 

[worbod]

I don't think we've had this query before: what is each club's percentage of finishing as the losing team with a score of 100 or more?

 

[Ron The Bear]

I don't think we've had this query before: what is each club's percentage of finishing as the losing team with a score of 100 or more?

This is an RR question, but anyway... counting a draw as 0.5 win:

Club|W|L|D|Win %
\GC|5|-|-|100.00
\WC|236|27|2|89.43
\Ad|184|22|-|89.32
\Co|699|88|4|88.62
\PA|117|15|3|87.78
\Ca|687|95|5|87.61
\Ha|547|82|2|86.85
\Fr|105|16|-|86.78
\Es|661|98|7|86.75
\Ge|613|102|2|85.63
\Ri|591|100|6|85.22
\Br|199|46|2|80.97
\Sy|475|113|2|80.81
\Me|513|124|-|80.53
\NM|481|121|3|79.75
\WB|410|101|9|79.71
\St|408|117|4|77.50
\GWS|1|2|-|33.33
\||||
\Fi|302|104|3|74.21

 

[the croucher]

Noticed Dunstall carrying on about "world record" number of boundary throw ins during Essendon v Sydney match - 92 or 93 I think was the figure.

Of course those of us fortunate enough to have a few Footy Week issues in collections quickly come across matches in mid to late 1960s where figures of high 90s up to 110-120 are sometimes recorded in VFL matches.

Has anyone ever seen a particular figure quoted as highest (and with source of info quoted) ?

Later in day when finished going through my collection of FWs I'll post list of top 3 or 4 I've found.

Well, here is what I've found in my set (not complete by any means) of 1965, 1967, 1968, 1969 & 1970 Footy Week issues.

Most "out of bounds" recorded in a match:
121 - at Arden St (Nth Melb vs Melb) on 27 July 1968
117 - at Moorabbin (St Kilda vs Nth Melb) on 3 Aug 1968
105 - at Western Oval (Footscray v Nth Melb) on 26 Aug 1967
105 - at Arden St (Nth Melb vs Sth Melb) on 25 May 1968

mmm...Nth Melb involved in all of those...wonder if it reflects a style of play they had at the time ?

 

[Krustyy]

After GWS and Essendon both kicked 2.3.15 in the second quarter in Round 6 GWS has lost 18 quarters in a row. What's the longest ever run of quarters lost or quarters not won?

 

[Ron The Bear]

After GWS and Essendon both kicked 2.3.15 in the second quarter in Round 6 GWS has lost 18 quarters in a row. What's the longest ever run of quarters lost or quarters not won?

These are the longest runs without winning a quarter. The last two columns contain the number of drawn quarters and the longest sequence without a draw, where applicable:

Qrtrs|Cb|Start|End|Drawn|Longest
\30|St|1897 R8 Q4|1898 R2 Q1|1|22
\24|GWS|2012 R13 Q1|2012 R18 Q4|1|20
\23|St|1900 R6 Q3|1900 R12 Q1|2|11
\21|WC|2001 R5 Q4|2001 R10 Q4|1|13
\19|Ri|2009 R21 Q1|2010 R3 Q3|-|
\19|GWS|2013 R6 Q2|2013 R10 Q4|1|18
\18|St|1901 SR1 Q4|1902 R3 Q1|-|
\18|Un|1914 R12 Q2|1914 R16 Q3|1|13
\18|Br|1992 R7 Q1|1992 R11 Q2|-|
\17|St|1899 R12 Q2|1899 SR2 Q2|-|
\17|St|1982 R16 Q1|1982 R20 Q1|-|
\17|Me|2007 R22 Q3|2008 R4 Q3|-|
\16|Me|1906 R12 Q4|1906 RSR2 Q3|1|11
\16|Me|1914 R11 Q4|1914 R15 Q3|-|
\16|Ha|1950 R4 Q3|1950 R8 Q2|1|15
\16|Fi|1963 R14 Q2|1963 R18 Q1|-|
\16|Es|1970 R20 Q3|1971 R2 Q2|-|
\16|Br|2005 R20 Q1|2006 R1 Q4|1|10
\15|St|1899 R8 Q2|1899 R11 Q4|-|
\15|St|1911 R15 Q1|1911 R18 Q3|-|
\15|Me|1919 R12 Q3|1919 R17 Q1|-|
\15|Fi|1966 R18 Q3|1967 R4 Q1|2|10
\15|St|1985 R1 Q2|1985 R4 Q4|-|
\15|Fi|1996 R19 Q1|1996 R22 Q3|-|
\15|Ri|2007 R15 Q2|2007 R18 Q4|-|
\15|Me|2011 R17 Q4|2011 R21 Q2|-|
\15|PA|2011 R19 Q1|2011 R22 Q3|-|
\15|Es|2012 R20 Q3|2013 R1 Q1|1|11

Most for other clubs:

Qrtrs|Cb|Start|End|Drawn|Longest
\11|Ad|1994 R18 Q2|1994 R20 Q4|-|
\11|Ca|2003 R21 Q3|2004 R2 Q1|-|
\11|Co|1924 R9 Q2|1924 R11 Q4|-|
\10|Fr|2001 R10 Q1|2001 R12 Q2|-|
\12|Ge|1915 R3 Q2|1915 R6 Q1|1|8
\13|GC|2012 R9 Q3|2012 R12 Q3|1|11
\14|NM|1928 R17 Q2|1929 R2 Q3|1|11
\||1930 R12 Q1|1930 R15 Q2|-|
\13|Sy|1972 R20 Q4|1973 R1 Q4|-|
\||1992 R20 Q3|1993 R23 Q3|1|10
\||1998 R10 Q1|1998 R13 Q1|1|10
\14|WB|2012 R17 Q3|2012 R20 Q4|-|

 

[nickztaa]

would anyone agree geelong has been the best team since Jan 1 2000? or would everyone think Brisbane?

 

[Old_Man_James]

would anyone agree geelong has been the best team since Jan 1 2000? or would everyone think Brisbane?

Depends on personal value judgements of "best".

If premierships are the be all measure of success ....... 3 each = Equal.
Premierships and runners up..... 3 wins - 1 runner up each = Equal.
If back to back flags are valued higher than non consecutive flags = Brisbane.
If premierships plus win - loss record since 2000. Cats: 3 Flags - match win% of 65.46, Brisbane 3 Flags - match win % of 52.56. = Geelong

Add minor premierships, final appearances etc, and you can see why arguments of "best" end up into a never ending debate (fight).

 

[worbod]

I have passed this on to the editor of the AFL Record Season Guide. I haven't received a reply, and it hasn't appeared on the 2013 AFL Record Season Guide Updates page:-
http://www.afl.com.au/afl-hq/afl-season-guide-updates

I'll let you know if I hear anything.

In relation to informing the AFL Record about Western Bulldogs' 47 point comeback versus Geelong in 2001, I found another instance which should be included: (from The Age microfilm: April 21, 1987, page 37) Collingwood trailed Richmond by 51 points at the 23 minute mark of the third quarter before winning by 10 points.

 

[Ron The Bear]

In relation to informing the AFL Record about Western Bulldogs' 47 point comeback versus Geelong in 2001, I found another instance which should be included: (from The Age microfilm: April 21, 1987, page 37) Collingwood trailed Richmond by 51 points at the 23 minute mark of the third quarter before winning by 10 points.

Don't remind me. Brian Taylor started a brawl and the comeback began. The following week we coughed up a lead of 46 points against the Swans, which resulted in the footage of Tony Jewell reefing at his remaining hair in frustration as we disintegrated.

 

[Catsace]

Don't remind me. Brian Taylor started a brawl and the comeback began. The following week we coughed up a lead of 46 points against the Swans, which resulted in the footage of Tony Jewell reefing at his remaining hair in frustration as we disintegrated.

Poor Tony was destined to go bald in 1987, as Rd 1 that year saw the Tigers generally hold a solid lead over the Eagles in their inaugural match in Perth, Rd1. But a late Eagles fightback capped by a couple of Laurie Keene torps from about 70 metres out sunk Richmond....so a bit stiff to start that season. Good revenge tonight though!

 

[Ron The Bear]

Poor Tony was destined to go bald in 1987, as Rd 1 that year saw the Tigers generally hold a solid lead over the Eagles in their inaugural match in Perth, Rd1. But a late Eagles fightback capped by a couple of Laurie Keene torps from about 70 metres out sunk Richmond....so a bit stiff to start that season. Good revenge tonight though!

Only counts for one win, but I'm a proud Tiger once again tonight.

 

[eaglespremiers]

42 HOs for Cox and 39 HOs for Naitanui.
Has there ever been such a combination in one game of football?

 

[35Daicos]

In relation to informing the AFL Record about Western Bulldogs' 47 point comeback versus Geelong in 2001, I found another instance which should be included: (from The Age microfilm: April 21, 1987, page 37) Collingwood trailed Richmond by 51 points at the 23 minute mark of the third quarter before winning by 10 points.

Excellent work there worbod. I've sent an email regarding this latest revelation (and a few other bits 'n pieces) to Michael Lovett at the AFL, and asked whether there had been any clarification/approval of the matter(s) raised previously. Nothing has shown up on the 2013 AFL Record Season Guide Updates page. As stated previously, I'll let you know when I hear something!