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This is a thread I'm going to bookmark and bring up in the not too distant future when Johnno plays a blinder. A few people will look quite silly.

Yes, he's played a couple of quite poor games. Last week he was attrocious. Yesterday, he was marginally better.

At least he tries to create some positive play though. I get sick of the monotonous rubbish of chipping from side to side that the likes of Ling and Hunt dish up. Johnson tries to create goals. He's failed at it lately because he's unfit and out of touch. But he'll be back. Mark my words.
 
Good call. I still think he should get off the Red Bull and Vodkas they have goin down at Eureka.
 
ablettjnr said:
Good call. I still think he should get off the Red Bull and Vodkas they have goin down at Eureka.
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No doubt. If he behaves of the field like people say he does, he really needs to pull his head in.
 

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OK , you want to bookmark it CE. Fine.

SJ relys way too much on his talent and has probably clipped his own wings that he may never truly recover from.His lack of preseasons is a worry, becaus eif you cant do them at his age now, Im not sure he will have a long time in the game Talent is not enough.If you watch the last 5 seconds of the match yesterday and thats just typical, There's Gary Ablett , get hit around the head trying to win the ball,while Dog runs past him hoping for a hand pass. When he marks his own ball and kicks some standard goals he will be a far better player than trying make everthing into a super goal.

He was made to look very average last week by Hodge, he appears to be either a fully on or fully off player and right now Id have Prismall in the side before him.

If we trully think his long term future is doubtful , maybe hard options should be considered. The draft this year could have long term rewards for brave decisions.Look he may at some stage win a game for us like Davis , its a risk reward relationship that he offers and it will depend on personal taste as much as anything. At his best , there is no doubt that he is in our best side but his worst is a long way short of his best.
 
Tend to agree with that ^^ Not much more to say really.

CE, when are you planning to bring this thread out? When he plays one good game, or when he solidly plays a good month or two of footy?
 
Johnson = Selfish. Send him to the vfl till he learns to put the team before himself.
 
The key with Johnson is that he needs to be played near the goals - the further up the ground he goes, the more concern I harbour.
 
Turbocat said:
OK , you want to bookmark it CE. Fine.

SJ relys way too much on his talent and has probably clipped his own wings that he may never truly recover from.His lack of preseasons is a worry, becaus eif you cant do them at his age now, Im not sure he will have a long time in the game Talent is not enough.If you watch the last 5 seconds of the match yesterday and thats just typical, There's Gary Ablett , get hit around the head trying to win the ball,while Dog runs past him hoping for a hand pass. When he marks his own ball and kicks some standard goals he will be a far better player than trying make everthing into a super goal.

He was made to look very average last week by Hodge, he appears to be either a fully on or fully off player and right now Id have Prismall in the side before him.

If we trully think his long term future is doubtful , maybe hard options should be considered. The draft this year could have long term rewards for brave decisions.Look he may at some stage win a game for us like Davis , its a risk reward relationship that he offers and it will depend on personal taste as much as anything. At his best , there is no doubt that he is in our best side but his worst is a long way short of his best.
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Alot of common themes running around on a few threads at the moment. But Turbocat this is spot on. Couldn't have said it better myself.
 
Turbocat said:
OK , you want to bookmark it CE. Fine.

SJ relys way too much on his talent and has probably clipped his own wings that he may never truly recover from.His lack of preseasons is a worry, becaus eif you cant do them at his age now, Im not sure he will have a long time in the game Talent is not enough.If you watch the last 5 seconds of the match yesterday and thats just typical, There's Gary Ablett , get hit around the head trying to win the ball,while Dog runs past him hoping for a hand pass. When he marks his own ball and kicks some standard goals he will be a far better player than trying make everthing into a super goal.

He was made to look very average last week by Hodge, he appears to be either a fully on or fully off player and right now Id have Prismall in the side before him.

If we trully think his long term future is doubtful , maybe hard options should be considered. The draft this year could have long term rewards for brave decisions.Look he may at some stage win a game for us like Davis , its a risk reward relationship that he offers and it will depend on personal taste as much as anything. At his best , there is no doubt that he is in our best side but his worst is a long way short of his best.
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Don't disagree with much you've said TC. What I know is that Steve Johnson is one of the most talented players in our side. He's had a couple of bad games but talented players usually prove their worth in the long run.

Everyone's being very quick to write him off after two games when it's quite likely that he'll come back and win matches of his own boot this season.

I for one, don't think we can afford to drop, delist or trade a player who has that ability. I'm pretty confident that we'll see that ability come to fruition pretty soon.

cats2rise said:
CE, when are you planning to bring this thread out? When he plays one good game, or when he solidly plays a good month or two of footy?
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I'll bring it up when I think he's made the difference to us winning and losing a match and then ask the question would you rather he played in the VFL (or heaven forbid, for another team).
 
I still think he usually takes a couple of games - he was better on the weekend - although I haven't seen all of it. I think he needs a run in the midfield every so often - just makes him work a bit more and not think about trying to be too clever.
 
catempire you might very well turn out to be right, but for me Johnson should still be sent to the VFL to gain fitness and learn some sort of team ethic... right now he's just a waste of space out there on the field and carrying unift, selfish players like Johnson is a recipe for disaster.
 
Mr Sensitive said:
catempire you might very well turn out to be right, but for me Johnson should still be sent to the VFL to gain fitness and learn some sort of team ethic... right now he's just a waste of space out there on the field and carrying unift, selfish players like Johnson is a recipe for disaster.
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And Johnson may very well get dropped this week - I wouldn't be surprised if he was or he wasn't. If he is, he may very well go back to the VFL and kick 7 and have 30 possessions. Then we'll just see him back the following week versus Melbourne. I would then question what the whole exercised proved.
 

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catempire said:
I for one, don't think we can afford to drop, delist or trade a player who has that ability. I'm pretty confident that we'll see that ability come to fruition pretty soon.


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And Johnson may very well get dropped this week - I wouldn't be surprised if he was or he wasn't. If he is, he may very well go back to the VFL and kick 7 and have 30 possessions. Then we'll just see him back the following week versus Melbourne. I would then question what the whole exercised proved.
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CE , have we ever put one of the "Blue Vest" tracking devices on him? Whether its a hang over from the ankles or attitude I dont think he works hard enough ,and it would be interesting to track him compared to other players. The way the game is going not many players on the field will be able to get away with a lack of mobility.

Should we drop, delist or trade? 3 very different things. Drop. Yes, and 7 goals or not, is not the criteria id be judging him by. I'd put the one of the Blue Vests on him and show him the figures and make him work hard in the VFL, some gut busting running, on the ball, 3 or 4 weeks in the row.He will either get fit or we may have to look at other options.

The other options of course are bit hard to swallow but really worry when a guy,no matter the talent, struggles to do pre-season year after year then you may have have to be hard nosed.Do we have a Paul Lynch here? Paul Lynch was a talent as well but couldn't get his body up to give us his best.
It would have to be a good deal but footy these days involve making hard choices and you cant get confirmation of the correct move till years down the track. Was the Ottens deal a good thing for Richmond, Melbourne or Us.Still hard to say Was the Colbert deal good for us, probably now you could say we were big winners in that with two senior players still in our side with Colbert retired.

The fact is Im probably hardened by years of non-success.Its why I questioned Thompson at the start of his tenure.Could player from another club, a Preimership Captain really take on board and be a true part of another club.Having so much succes, Ayres and Thompson will always be linked strongly to their original clubs. And when they have gone , we will still be here, barracking for the "Hoops". So I'm probably a little cold blooded about it. There are very few players that, under certain very favourable circumstances, I would preclude from trade. I want every player that walks thru the door to play 300 games , win B&F's , win flags but that is not possible. So I simply make the judgement - What is the Geelong Football Club's long term interest? Chopping legends like Ayres did , is not but some times trading a player good enough to be the Club Captain can be.

Its a tough gig to be the toecutter but there you go.If we traded a player of SJ's status, esspecially one whos body might be suspect and got two or three players like Enright and Mooney id say most would say we have done a good deal
 
Turbocat said:
CE , have we ever put one of the "Blue Vest" tracking devices on him? Whether its a hang over from the ankles or attitude I dont think he works hard enough ,and it would be interesting to track him compared to other players. The way the game is going not many players on the field will be able to get away with a lack of mobility.

Should we drop, delist or trade? 3 very different things. Drop. Yes, and 7 goals or not, is not the criteria id be judging him by. I'd put the one of the Blue Vests on him and show him the figures and make him work hard in the VFL, some gut busting running, on the ball, 3 or 4 weeks in the row.He will either get fit or we may have to look at other options.

The other options of course are bit hard to swallow but really worry when a guy,no matter the talent, struggles to do pre-season year after year then you may have have to be hard nosed.Do we have a Paul Lynch here? Paul Lynch was a talent as well but couldn't get his body up to give us his best.
It would have to be a good deal but footy these days involve making hard choices and you cant get confirmation of the correct move till years down the track. Was the Ottens deal a good thing for Richmond, Melbourne or Us.Still hard to say Was the Colbert deal good for us, probably now you could say we were big winners in that with two senior players still in our side with Colbert retired.

The fact is Im probably hardened by years of non-success.Its why I questioned Thompson at the start of his tenure.Could player from another club, a Preimership Captain really take on board and be a true part of another club.Having so much succes, Ayres and Thompson will always be linked strongly to their original clubs. And when they have gone , we will still be here, barracking for the "Hoops". So I'm probably a little cold blooded about it. There are very few players that, under certain very favourable circumstances, I would preclude from trade. I want every player that walks thru the door to play 300 games , win B&F's , win flags but that is not possible. So I simply make the judgement - What is the Geelong Football Club's long term interest? Chopping legends like Ayres did , is not but some times trading a player good enough to be the Club Captain can be.

Its a tough gig to be the toecutter but there you go.If we traded a player of SJ's status, esspecially one whos body might be suspect and got two or three players like Enright and Mooney id say most would say we have done a good deal
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As always TC, all very valid. My overall point is that to be talking of trading a player (and a very talented one at that) after he's played two matches, is nothing short of premature.
 
catempire said:
Johnson tries to create goals. He's failed at it lately because he's unfit and out of touch. But he'll be back. Mark my words.
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Which really begs the question then: why was he brought back in the first place? I mean, I can understand the value he brings to the team when he and the other 21 teammates of his are on the same page, but surely that value shouldn't be looked over at the expense of his own fitness (and the ensuing little worth to the club).

Dog's always been the selfish type, so on one hand I'm not sure what all the sudden fuss is all about. I think it's fair to say most of us, if not all, laud him when what we now deem to be selfish acts is pegged down as heroics or what have you. And granted, this 'acceptable' side of Dog rises when he's as willing to give to the team in effort and all as much he gets from it, but really, that does nothing more than reiterate the issue forementioned.

I don't know if you can solely split this all down to a lack of form and/or fitness, seeing as I think a part of it can be attributed to a psychological level (he does need to learn the meaning and ethos surrounding 'teamwork'), but the general idea is still the same - an unfit Dog has little place in this days team. I don't assume I speak for everyone when I say this, but at least for me, Dog's general selfish party antics are, on a broader level, acceptable when he's willing to fight just as hard for the ball as those around him, pressure and chase as hard and desperately as those around him. On one level, I can live with the antics.

But I think it's become fairly evident the Dog we have on hand now isn't capable of those secondary roles, and he'll need to be if his entire worth to the team is to be taken on board. What message does the club send out to the Prismall's of its list, who gut it out week in and week out but come away with little reward. I can understand the seemingly double-standard nature of this post in relation to Dog (seeing as I do seem to accept Dog's own seemingly incapability to do, if you will, a Prismall week in week out even with maximum fitness, and apparently so does the club), but in the nature of this thread, Dog falls short in his true usefullness at present.
 
Johnson will deliver, trust me.

He may be inconsistent at times, and even undisciplined, but he will deliver.

Guys like him only come around once in a blue moon, and Geelong know this. Whilst he may find himself in the VFL for this weeks game, he will be back pretty soon.
 
chapmanmagic35 said:
Johnson will deliver, trust me.

He may be inconsistent at times, and even undisciplined, but he will deliver.

Guys like him only come around once in a blue moon, and Geelong know this. Whilst he may find himself in the VFL for this weeks game, he will be back pretty soon.
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I think most of us believe you and know that he will deliver sooner or later and is a player with unique talents, however he really needs to be shown that he has to earn his position in the team.

He does things that are so unique and wonderful but 2 minutes later negates them by performing a stupid attempted spinning, rotation, no-look handball followed by a receiving whilrwind snap kick from 90m.

Stevie really needs to fire and fire soon!
 

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TheTimeCometh said:
whats even more disturbing is the empires' penchant fer quoting en masse EVERYTHING they reply to. i mean, is it really necessary? no offence but scrollin down thru repeated slabs :D:D:D:Ds me;)


this thread could've fit on 1 page at the mo'
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Here's another one for you bro'. ;)

It's the quoting of long posts that does it but it was important to direct my response to specific posts while ignoring some others.

Sorry if I tired your scrolling finger.
 
TheTimeCometh said:
talent is no excuse fer a (seemingly) bad work ethic. the history of the world is filled (in this case - infamously) with peeps with ability that never live up to the lofty levels expected of 'em based on talent alone.
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Sad to say it, but if it's true, I totally agree. Tell Johnson he's got 2nds football indefinitely until he turns it around, and if he plays up off the park he gets delisted. Lets see what happens then.

I mentioned this elsewhere, but I'd curtail media appearances, modelling appearance and garbage beard growing competitions as well. They are their to win, not for this other rubbish. Watching Ling laugh about Saturday's result on Channel 10 made me want to kill him. He gets paid to turn up. We don't.
 

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