Stevens again

[pumped]

I am once again starting a thread about Nick Stevens. He had 29 touches and did at times do some really good things. However I still believe he is one of our missing links.

He has the ability to be a truly inspiring leader but to my mind he is a self absorbed footballer similar to Camporeale. He racks up heaps of kicks, hits some great targets at times and runs very hard in a forward motion.

On the flip side he runs incredibly slowly when he is to man up or chase and his disposal at times is very lazy for someone who is perhaps the most gifted kick in the comp. As a leader I feel his attitude is sadly lacking. The example he instills for 80% of the time is very poor.

I would not be harping on this if I didn't think he had the ability to still be a champion. I just see too many similarities to Campo and we desperatly need leaders amongst the senior group.

Also interesting to hear Caracella yesterday on foxtel saying he couldn't believe the talk of a swap of Stevens for Didak. Could this be a sign of how other clubs are starting to view Nick? Personally I think Nick has similar ability to Didak but this season especially Didak has reaped the benefits of his talent whereas Nick has not.

 

[stokesy]

Nick Stevens is giving me the ****s, as simple as that.

 

[Mr.Kennedy]

I wouldnt be overly upset if we got a top 15 pick for him

 

[BlueBelle]

I think Nick is clearly unhappy at Carlton. Trade bait?

He is a good player and will slot into another team perfectly.

 

[Just Waite]

poos himself when a player is coming into the marking contest but does all right things but should be doing better.

 

[stokesy]

I wouldnt be overly upset if we got a top 15 pick for him

If someone offered a top 15 pick, I wouldn't hesitate signing the deal.

 

[pumped]

I think Nick is clearly unhappy at Carlton. Trade bait?

He is a good player and will slot into another team perfectly.

Yes, I think he is unhappy at Carlton but I think he would be unhappy anywhere at the moment. I don't believe his attitude at Port was much better. The pity is that he has the goods to be a regular All Australian but just doesn't use what he has consistently.

 

[irish_setanta]

Another Stevens thread, The guy has had to carry the burden of being our only midfielder over the last 3 years, as our team improves so will nicks game, personally i think we have ALOT more problems than Nick Stevens.Names like Teague, Sporn, Livingston, Chambers, Longmuir,Mcgrath and kouta are more of a concern than Stevens. The guy is a outside footballer whos skills at times let him down,of course your skills will let you down when you are under that much pressure because you have team mates who arent up to VFL level let alone AFL.The guy has been second in our B+F on a few occasions making him better than at least 38 players on our list. But, think about this, how bad would we be without him, im glad we got him in a PSD for free, Rather him than Rawlings.Now shoot me down if you want,but that My Opinion.

 

[Smokey_22]

If we trade stevens for a pick, then pencil us in for next years spoon.

 

[Pafloyul]

Another Stevens thread, The guy has had to carry the burden of being our only midfielder over the last 3 years, as our team improves so will nicks game, personally i think we have ALOT more problems than Nick Stevens.Names like Teague, Sporn, Livingston, Chambers, Longmuir,Mcgrath and kouta are more of a concern than Stevens. The guy is a outside footballer whos skills at times let him down,of course your skills will let you down when you are under that much pressure because you have team mates who arent up to VFL level let alone AFL.The guy has been second in our B+F on a few occasions making him better than at least 38 players on our list. But, think about this, how bad would we be without him, im glad we got him in a PSD for free, Rather him than Rawlings.Now shoot me down if you want,but that My Opinion.

Bang...!

 

[RiCHii]

Another Stevens thread, The guy has had to carry the burden of being our only midfielder over the last 3 years, as our team improves so will nicks game, personally i think we have ALOT more problems than Nick Stevens.Names like Teague, Sporn, Livingston, Chambers, Longmuir,Mcgrath and kouta are more of a concern than Stevens. The guy is a outside footballer whos skills at times let him down,of course your skills will let you down when you are under that much pressure because you have team mates who arent up to VFL level let alone AFL.The guy has been second in our B+F on a few occasions making him better than at least 38 players on our list. But, think about this, how bad would we be without him, im glad we got him in a PSD for free, Rather him than Rawlings.Now shoot me down if you want,but that My Opinion.

agree with you 100 % !!

 

[ShlomoGlickstein]

Stevo is still our best and most skilled midfielder and by far. But he is having a shocking year and it's hurting our side. The loss of Campo put a bit more weight on his shoulders, and remember he IS a prima-donna. But I think as our other midfielders improve their skills, he'll fire up.

 

[Lance]

IMO I believe he is not happy at Carlton, and wants to go to Collingwood. He has followed Collingwood as a kid, and wanted to be traded there from P Adelaide, which we all know was unsuccessful. He is probably only one of very few players at Carlton that are tradable at the moment, but I would only trade for a top 10, or top 15 draft pick, not a recycled player.

 

[K.Simpson]

I think Nick is clearly unhappy at Carlton. Trade bait?

He is a good player and will slot into another team perfectly.

WTF!!! How do you knoiw Stevens is unhappy? He busts his ass EVERY week for the boys, does everything he can, and your are saying he is unhappy? Plz, inform me how you have come to this conclusion?

poos himself when a player is coming into the marking contest but does all right things but should be doing better.

Yes, he did back out of that marking contest.

Stevens is heavily taggeg EVERY week. Yet, he still does his job. He carries the midfield single handedly. IMO in our top 3 Most needed players. HYe is a star.

RAWLINGS OR STEVENS?????

 

[BlueBelle]

WTF!!! How do you knoiw Stevens is unhappy? He busts his ass EVERY week for the boys, does everything he can, and your are saying he is unhappy? Plz, inform me how you have come to this conclusion?



Yes, he did back out of that marking contest.

Stevens is heavily taggeg EVERY week. Yet, he still does his job. He carries the midfield single handedly. IMO in our top 3 Most needed players. HYe is a star.

RAWLINGS OR STEVENS?????

Definately Stevo but I just feel he has more to give that's all.

 

[kouta 4 president]

Also interesting to hear Caracella yesterday on foxtel saying he couldn't believe the talk of a swap of Stevens for Didak. Could this be a sign of how other clubs are starting to view Nick? Personally I think Nick has similar ability to Didak but this season especially Didak has reaped the benefits of his talent whereas Nick has not.

Other clubs see Stevens as a champion, which is why he isnt playing as well this year. keeps getting tagged by their best taggers.

 

[pumped]

Another Stevens thread, The guy has had to carry the burden of being our only midfielder over the last 3 years, as our team improves so will nicks game, personally i think we have ALOT more problems than Nick Stevens.Names like Teague, Sporn, Livingston, Chambers, Longmuir,Mcgrath and kouta are more of a concern than Stevens. The guy is a outside footballer whos skills at times let him down,of course your skills will let you down when you are under that much pressure because you have team mates who arent up to VFL level let alone AFL.The guy has been second in our B+F on a few occasions making him better than at least 38 players on our list. But, think about this, how bad would we be without him, im glad we got him in a PSD for free, Rather him than Rawlings.Now shoot me down if you want,but that My Opinion.

Great players thrive on pressure. Nick is a good player but should be a great player. Much of the pressure he is under is self imposed through his mental outlook. He plays much of the time as a victim just as Campo did for the last few years.

To compare him to the players above with the exception of Kouta is not valid. Sure these guys are not playing well but in the most part it is a lack of talent. Nick has enormous talent but very poor application. I don't believe he is better than 38 on our list. However he could be.

Rawlings was never the talent Nick is and is suffering because he is not getting the best out of his lesser talent.

Also as a matter of interest which players are not up to VFL standard. To my mind even Prenda dominates at VFL level.

 

[pumped]

Other clubs see Stevens as a champion, which is why he isnt playing as well this year. keeps getting tagged by their best taggers.

Obviously Collingwood don't see him as anywhere near Didak's cahmpion qualities. I would be very surprised if other clubs see him as a champion at present. His being tagged is more a statement about where other clubs see our other mid fielders.

I think it is more likely that other clubs see Lance and Fev as our champions, not Nick. Once again however Nick could be a champion but he must prove it himself and not wait to be supported by his teammates. True champions are leaders who inspire others and don't wait to be inspired or supported themselves.

 

[pumped]

WTF!!! How do you knoiw Stevens is unhappy? He busts his ass EVERY week for the boys, does everything he can, and your are saying he is unhappy? Plz, inform me how you have come to this conclusion?



Yes, he did back out of that marking contest.

Stevens is heavily taggeg EVERY week. Yet, he still does his job. He carries the midfield single handedly. IMO in our top 3 Most needed players. HYe is a star.

RAWLINGS OR STEVENS?????

Stevens a star??? He could be but he definitly imo is not. Whitnall and Fev are stars at present and perhaps Murph is a future one. Stevens is a potential star playing good and at times average footy. So what if he gets tagged so too does Fev and so too do many mid fielders from other sides. Scott West has been tagged his whole career and is a true star.

As for busting his ass every week? He certainly runs hard to get the ball but he balances this by barely jogging when they have the ball. He is a one way player most of the time. If he ever gets the passion for his defensive side then we can respect him for busting his ass.

 

[barnesy]

In another 12 - 24 months all the hard work will have been done, and we will be on the way up, can't see him going anywhere then by his own choice.

 

[Jimthegreat]

I think Nick is clearly unhappy at Carlton. Trade bait?

He is a good player and will slot into another team perfectly.

In this case just change the coach. There's probably alot unhappy playing under him, who would do better under someone else. We are developing a good side, midfield building, defence better, but Pagan will hold us back. His winning record is now under 25% at Carlton and take away 2004, where we won 10 games, it becomes all of 15.7%. Soon he won't be able to use list as an excuse.

Also he has another year on his contract to go. And it's a big contract.

 

[as0l0]

and take away 2004, where we won 10 games, it becomes all of 15.7%.

If you take away all the times we have won it's actually 0%.

 

[BlueFeaver]

As our mid-field rebuilds so will Nicks performances. At the moment he is tagged every week and is hit from Pillar to Post. Our lack of depth means he can't be rotated like his opponents, as a result he gets tired, frustrated and eventually looses focus. As the case with our whole team we need to give them time, I for one have thought the last few weeks have been better.
We are playing a larger number of the kids and although we aren't getting the points we are seeing alot of positives.
Nick did actually spend a small amount of time forward last week. The likes of Simpson and Blackers allowed this to occur, we should be talking about Blackers. Come to think of it we should be talking about Blackers, Simmo, Russell, Carlos, Walker, Carrots, Bentick and unusually Deluca.

 

[gandaal]

Another Stevens thread, The guy has had to carry the burden of being our only midfielder over the last 3 years, as our team improves so will nicks game, personally i think we have ALOT more problems than Nick Stevens.Names like Teague, Sporn, Livingston, Chambers, Longmuir,Mcgrath and kouta are more of a concern than Stevens. The guy is a outside footballer whos skills at times let him down,of course your skills will let you down when you are under that much pressure because you have team mates who arent up to VFL level let alone AFL.The guy has been second in our B+F on a few occasions making him better than at least 38 players on our list. But, think about this, how bad would we be without him, im glad we got him in a PSD for free, Rather him than Rawlings.Now shoot me down if you want,but that My Opinion.

Have you watched the VFL lately?

 

[pumped]

For those who are defending Nick with comments about lack of support/taggers etc I think you are missing the point of my post. I accept that he will play better when he has more support and when there is less tagging pressure. There is no argument about this.

My point is that he can perform so much better now than he is. For what it is worth I also felt he could have been better at Port. Even when things are better at Cartlon for him with his present attitude he will perform better but not to his potential imo.

Champion players perform over long periods of time and under varying degrees of pressure. Nick could become a champion but only when he plays to his best no matter what the circumstance.

If you guys think he is just a talented player and not a champion then how he is going is ok. If you think he is a star or a champion then he is far below what he should be.