News Suns to ask for Pick 1 as a priority pick

[Happy Idiot]

Do you have any thoughts on why every top level sporting side set up on the Gold Coast been a failure?

If you look at each specific failure it's always multifactorial. Be it shoddy management, lack of resources/support, whatever — there is no simple reason and is generally a lazy perspective to hold (ie lots of failures mean success is not possible).

Remember lots of attempts at flight failed until the Wright brothers had their crack.

 

[guruisatiger]

Is it true Hawthorn are trying to get pick 1 off Gold Coast? Either way I don't see how that can happen as Hawthorn don't have anything that could be of pick 1 level value to trade.

Pretty sure there after pick 2
So they can get Anderson
Maybe if hawks give up pick 11 and a very good senior player around age 26
Might I say might be what there thinking,, that's basically what Chris pelican said
Last night on sen

 

[Sir Skid]

3 years from now = Rinse repeat

Sigh... AFL

 

[exile]

Is it true Hawthorn are trying to get pick 1 off Gold Coast? Either way I don't see how that can happen as Hawthorn don't have anything that could be of pick 1 level value to trade.

an ITK on our board said the #1 PP was given to us to help us get rowell and anderson, two best mates to try and improve retention.
the additional picks were thrown in to help acquire some additional mature aged players through trades. the concessions are to be reviewed per year for the next three years, so if we were to go and trade pick #1 or #2, which would be against the agreement from the concession, then it's likely the suns may have future concessions for the following years reduced.

 

[Veer Right]

plus saints 1st and 2nd next year for Ben King

 

[Maurice Mitchell]

I am glad you are so strong on getting the Suns right, should lead by example and send Carlton an email about how as a supporter you are angry that they are raiding the Suns by chasing Martin and should back out of the deal and let him stay with the Suns long term.

What? Tell Martin he has to stay? I'm sure if he thought GC was better for him he would be staying.

 

[Sonny Hayes]

What? Tell Martin he has to stay? I'm sure if he thought GC was better for him he would be staying.

I was being sarcastic... He seems to feel very strongly about how the Suns are just being constantly raided by Victorian teams so i am sure he is dead set against getting Martin.

 

[sr36]

Pretty bizarre by the AFL. I get why you'd give them priority picks to give them an immediate injection, but why would you give them one for 3 drafts time. Things can turn pretty quickly as we've seen with Brissy, they may be a top 8 team by then.

Personally, I'd give them a couple of high draft picks ofr this year and force them to be traded for players.

 

[jjami15]

The 10 rookie spots is where they’ll put all their academy and Darwin zone kids that they get to prelist.

They will at least pick up Buderick, Gore, Oea and Rosas jr this year. Then they’ve got two top kids next year as well.

 

[Ambrosia]

They have sent up talented guys to run the club but it takes time to fix. Lyons I suspect had a falling out and the view was to cut him and move on. As I said they need leaders who can set the example on the track, in the gym, lifestyle etc. I suspect Lyons was lacking in some areas.

Lyons wasn’t rated highly by the Suns. Were only going to offer a one year deal then the Lions came and offered him a 3 year deal for significantly more money after the trade period. So the Suns did right by Lyons and delisted him.

 

[TheSunGod]

Pretty sure king wants out. Same with Lukosius. Have heard Ainsworth and Fiorini whispers

Ainsworth just moved his entire family up here. Fiorini is absolutely committed. You’re just guessing.

 

[rippersnipper]

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Fair to say there's a bit of a leg up here. But you can see it's not all about picks. Hawks, Collingwood, Saints and WC have done well, while Dogs, Carlton and Melbourne didn't make use of them.
Hence the AFL's magic bullet is not that. They have once again missed the mark and not actually thought through their 'solution' to GC's issues.
But what can you expect from the amateurs running the show

How did Collingwood end up with a PP in 05? They made two grand finals in a row during 02 & 03. So they dropped for two seasons and required an extra first rounder? Them and the Hawks also won 5 games each that season, hardly the requisite for a PP imo. That can't be the full story but googling it, all I get is this from a Collingwood article:

"Back then, clubs who won five or fewer games in a season were eligible for an extra priority pick at the start of the National Draft. That had been put in place to aid teams who had had prolonged periods of substandard performances."

That is quite possibly the dumbest shit I've ever read, both with context, and without. "Prolonged periods of substandard performances" apparently equals 2 ****ing years after making B2B gf's. What an absolute joke of a competition.

 

[Thetrader15]

How did Collingwood end up with a PP in 05? They made two grand finals in a row during 02 & 03. So they dropped for two seasons and required an extra first rounder? Them and the Hawks also won 5 games each that season, hardly the requisite for a PP imo. That can't be the full story but googling it, all I get is this from a Collingwood article:

"Back then, clubs who won five or fewer games in a season were eligible for an extra priority pick at the start of the National Draft. That had been put in place to aid teams who had had prolonged periods of substandard performances."

That is quite possibly the dumbest s**t I've ever read, both with context, and without. "Prolonged periods of substandard performances" apparently equals 2 ******* years after making B2B gf's. What an absolute joke of a competition.

Welcome to the AFL!...hence why we 'never had tanking'

 

[TheSunGod]

Do you have any thoughts on why every top level sporting side set up on the Gold Coast been a failure?

More VFL / AFL sides have failed in Melbourne than on the Gold Coast.

 

[KnaveyBlue]

Why wouldn't the AFL go over the top with assistance? What's the worst case scenario for them, they accidentally turn Gold Coast into a powerhouse?

 

[Ash1337]

More VFL / AFL sides have failed in Melbourne than on the Gold Coast.

Different situations. AFL back then were gouging money from clubs instead of gouging money from fans, media and sponsors etc. They realise today more clubs = more money.

 

[LemmingMaster]

Reading a few issues with regards to this thread, thought I would chime in with my thoughts.

The priority draft pick option is not the only lever the AFL are doing to improve their fortunes.
They have also helped with the off field appointments and hopefully improved all aspects of the off field staff.

The PP is not the ONLY solution, but it will certainly help them improve at a quicker rate, assuming they fix those off field issues at the same time.

Most rational people would know that the Suns were in for a rough ride without assistance.

Given that they've shown the three year assistance package, other clubs can hopefully plan future draft pick trades with more knowledge.

It was certainly generous in my eyes, but something had to be done.

 

[Quokka]

Would love to see the Suns bring in a bunch of the players rumoured to be in discussion. Something like the Crouch brothers, Ellis and Greenwood would help to stabilise the club right from round one and Adelaide in particular could pick up an amazing selection of draft picks to get their rebuild started.

 

[Ash1337]

This wouldn't of happened if AFL had gave as much attention to them as they did GWS. It's like they had 2 kids and only favoured the younger 1.

 

[Quokka]

I don't know, Gold Coast have to take a good bit of the responsibility themselves. There was a brief period when everyone was talking up the Suns as the next powerhouse with their list while laughing at GWS and expecting them to fold.

Doesn't seem to have quite worked out that way though.

 

[Crankyhawk]

How did Collingwood end up with a PP in 05? They made two grand finals in a row during 02 & 03. So they dropped for two seasons and required an extra first rounder? Them and the Hawks also won 5 games each that season, hardly the requisite for a PP imo. That can't be the full story but googling it, all I get is this from a Collingwood article:

"Back then, clubs who won five or fewer games in a season were eligible for an extra priority pick at the start of the National Draft. That had been put in place to aid teams who had had prolonged periods of substandard performances."

That is quite possibly the dumbest s**t I've ever read, both with context, and without. "Prolonged periods of substandard performances" apparently equals 2 ******* years after making B2B gf's. What an absolute joke of a competition.

That is correct. One season 5 wins or less equaled the first round PP.

 

[PAFC_1870]

That is quite possibly the dumbest s**t I've ever read, both with context, and without. "Prolonged periods of substandard performances" apparently equals 2 ******* years after making B2B gf's. What an absolute joke of a competition.

Don't worry they changed the rule when it suited as Port was on the bottom for many years.... Can't have Collingwood, Carlton, Hawthorn or Richmond down too long...

 

[PAFC_1870]

Shiels Gunston and Smith for pick 2. Pick 2 should help with getting patton.

LOL what?

 

[jackenny]

I don't know, Gold Coast have to take a good bit of the responsibility themselves. There was a brief period when everyone was talking up the Suns as the next powerhouse with their list while laughing at GWS and expecting them to fold.

Doesn't seem to have quite worked out that way though.

It was very brief, if it existed at all.

The Suns were looking good up until Ablett hurt his shoulder, and then the talk turned into "no Ablett, no Gold Coast". We were on the cusp of making finals. Then the injuries happened. 2014 was the start of something horrible that only got worse in 2015 and 2016. Ablett's injury was the first major one before our injury list literally became longer than our actual player list. Literally. I am using that word with its true meaning in mind. We didn't have the numbers to field a reserves side at one point. We had to get random people around the club to fill in (imagine being so beaten by injuries you're forced to get your mascot to play for your reserves side).

Pictured: Our Last Hope

Naturally, we were forced to play injured / underdone players (like Harbrow) at this time in our seniors, and we weren't able to field a very competitive side for most of 2014 and 2015. Rocket Eade had a very unlucky start to his tenure as coach, honestly. This is when the losing culture set in and players got restless and wanted out. It doesn't help that the Sun's facilities at this time and our department spending up to this point were very ordinary (bush league level in some cases). Our training facilities were tin sheds, basically. This isn't to say that great sides need swanky digs to train at to get good, but it does reflect how poorly funded, prepared, and run we were at the time. Obviously, it's difficult to want to stick around a club that's just so obviously mediocre (de-mountable training sheds are just one example, many of our departments have since been overhauled, as well). Basically, that's how the Suns found themselves in the death spiral that they're in - which will hopefully end with the assistance the AFL has offered them this year. This is basically a full reset but with better facilities and more experienced personnel at the helm (which is how it should've been to begin with, but can't change the past).

 

[GUMBLETRON]

Listening to a draft podcast today, and a point was made about how shallow the top end and genuine first round talent is this years. By way of an example, they said that if Xavier Duursma was in this years draft, he'd likely go around pick 5 and be the third mid selected after Rowell and Anderson.

Massive thread dig, but this is primarily because they rated Duursma as high as 7 in 2018, rather than 2019 being abnormally poor. No different to the much more common view that Bailey Smith (who they rated Duursma above) would have gone at the top end of 2019.