Swan > Buckley?

[Dave06]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...kley-wayne-carey/story-e6frf9jf-1225903654100

Sounds like heresy in some ways, but if Swan keeps up his current form for another 3-4 years, and doesn't taper off too far for a couple of years after that, he would have be be right up there. Bucks last 2-3 years was injury-riddled, but he was a gun from day 1 which isn't quite the case with Swanny.

Swan obviously not as good a kick as Buckley (but then, who is?), but is faster, gets it as much, and tackles as much if not more.

The game has changed a bit since Bucks was in his prime but Swanny has dominated in almost the same way for 2 1/2 years now.

Having said all this, i would hate to think how good Buckley would have been in Brisbane's midfield when they were in their prime.

 

[ralu]

Nowhere near it yet.

 

[mattys123]

Carey says Swan is better then Buckley.

That's right, Wayne Carey, the new human headline it seems, has stated that he thinks Swan is a better player then Buckley.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a.../story-e6frf9jf-1225903654100?from=public_rss

AFL great Wayne Carey has sparked debate by labelling Collingwood midfielder Dane Swan a superior player to Nathan Buckley.
Swan is on track to win his third consecutive Copeland Trophy, is Brownlow Medal favourite and plays for the team that is favourite to win the premiership.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a.../story-e6frf9jf-1225903654100?from=public_rss

Now it's pretty comment knowledge that Carey and Bucks never really liked each other, so it doesn't surprise me to hear Carey bring Bucks down at every opportunity.

I simply don't agree with him, and it once again proves that Carey is one thing, A w***er, and should never be allowed anywhere near our club again in any official capacity.

Swan is great, Buckley was immortal, maybe ask the question again in 5-7 years once Swan is in the "twilight" of his career, but at the moment, their is no comparison.

This part really pissed me off;

Carey said yesterday some of Swan's teammates believed he was better than six-time best-and-fairest winner Buckley. And he agreed.A chorus of Collingwood greats said yesterday Swan was yet to achieve Buckley's longevity, leadership and ability to change a game.

Now, even if some of the current players have said this (and not for one minute am I believing a word out of Carey's arse, oops mouth), so ****ing what.

Thoughts?

 

[The Panther]

Re: Carey says Swan is better then Buckley.

He may be right. Carey might be a w***er, but he has a wonderful football brain & nous.

 

[smiddaz123]

Nah, he may win as many Copeland's, and possibly will have a premiership as well, but he'll never be the footballer Bucks was.

 

[Dave06]

Nah, he may win as many Copeland's, and possibly will have a premiership as well, but he'll never be the footballer Bucks was.

Tend to agree with this, but it'll be interesting to see how Swanny goes over the next few years.

 

[Copeland]

just in the ball park.

 

[Smoky]

2 different players.

Would love to have either over for dinner!

 

[_The_Magpie_Nut_]

No way. I rate Swan highly as a footballer but Nathan Buckley is top 3 the best ive seen play IMO
Long way to go i would have thought

 

[captain peanut]

i thought wayne was off the drugs??

 

[Invigoration]

Swan will never be half the player Buckley was and in no way is that a knock of Swanny.

People have short memories, Buckley was a once in a life time player

 

[Zahki]

Bucks is still ahead, but it would be silly to say that Swan will never catch up to him. We're talking about a player who could conceivably win the MVP, Coaches Award, Copeland, HUN Player of the Year, Age Player of the Year, Lou Richards Award and maybe even a Premiership medal if all goes right. He's a great footballer in his own right and if he keeps up this level of play for the next 3-4 years then I'll gladly say he's every bit as good as Bucks.

 

[pinky951]

Different game now, Swan has made himself the best (or near enough to it) by adapting to the way the rule changes have affected the game and the current trends of the game. He is smart, tough and a hard worker.

Buckley was pure football, he was the best at playing it the way we all wish it still was played. The game has changed so much, and neither of them deserve to be compared to each other really. We should just sit back and enjoy that we are lucky enough to watch both players play in the black and white!!

 

[wicksy]

Re: Carey says Swan is better then Buckley.

That's right, Wayne Carey, the new human headline it seems, has stated that he thinks Swan is a better player then Buckley.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a.../story-e6frf9jf-1225903654100?from=public_rss



http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a.../story-e6frf9jf-1225903654100?from=public_rss

Now it's pretty comment knowledge that Carey and Bucks never really liked each other, so it doesn't surprise me to hear Carey bring Bucks down at every opportunity.

I simply don't agree with him, and it once again proves that Carey is one thing, A w***er, and should never be allowed anywhere near our club again in any official capacity.

Swan is great, Buckley was immortal, maybe ask the question again in 5-7 years once Swan is in the "twilight" of his career, but at the moment, their is no comparison.

This part really pissed me off;



Now, even if some of the current players have said this (and not for one minute am I believing a word out of Carey's arse, oops mouth), so ****ing what.

Thoughts?

I think you should take a chill pill and calm the f down... lol

I don't think he is lying about it. I vaguely recall one of our players saying that Swan was the best player that they'd played with. It was definitely someone who was around when Buckley was as well. Maybe post match interview. My ears pricked up when they said it as I knew it could be viewed as a slight dig on Bucks.

 

[Wooljay]

Swan will never be half the player Buckley was and in no way is that a knock of Swanny.

People have short memories, Buckley was a once in a life time player

Totally agree with this, Buckley is Halley's Comet, Swan is a shooting star.

 

[smiddaz123]

Bucks is still ahead, but it would be silly to say that Swan will never catch up to him. We're talking about a player who could conceivably win the MVP, Coaches Award, Copeland, HUN Player of the Year, Age Player of the Year, Lou Richards Award and maybe even a Premiership medal if all goes right. He's a great footballer in his own right and if he keeps up this level of play for the next 3-4 years then I'll gladly say he's every bit as good as Bucks.

To be considered as good as Buckley, he'll have to do a lot more than keep up his current form. He'll need to improve on it.

Swan is an elite footballer. Buckley was on another level though.

Swan may end up with more accolades, history may look back on Swan better. I'll be very shocked if I ever consider Swan as good as a football as Buckley though.

 

[Pie eyed]

Carey has been watching Mark Latham.

"Look at me! Look at me! Wait! Wait! Look at me!"

 

[Thewlis Dish]

Maybe I am misreading the article, but I don't think Carey has stated anywhere that Swan is a better footballer, apart from sub-editing.

He's just talking about where Swan will place in terms of club greats, and he's spot on when he says if they win a flag with Swan as the best player (especially if he wins the Copeland and/or Brownlow as well), it will be an enormous elevation point.

Anytime you talk about modern Collingwood greats, you're going to bring up Buckley. Same goes if Hayes wins a Brownlow and the Saints win a flag, someone will bring up Harvey.

 

[Zahki]

To be considered as good as Buckley, he'll have to do a lot more than keep up his current form. He'll need to improve on it.

Swan is an elite footballer. Buckley was on another level though.

Swan may end up with more accolades, history may look back on Swan better. I'll be very shocked if I ever consider Swan as good as a football as Buckley though.

Well the question then is how can Swan improve? We're talking about a player who if he continues this current form and has a strong finals series he could be considered the best midfielder in the AFL, that doesn't suggest there's much more improvement to be had. Maybe he could improve his disposal a bit? Bucks was a master of those spearing passes into the forward 50, but then again those sorts of kicks have been negated pretty well by the new zoning tactics, you see them get picked off pretty often.

Certainly one thing against Swan is that Buckley was a fantastic onfield leader, that's one area Swan can't match him in.

 

[Football God]

Buckley was rated by our best ever player in our history as our best ever player in our history.....

 

[mattys123]

So what Carey is saying is winning a flag makes you a lot better of a player.

Ok then, I guess the following list were shit players;

* Nathan Buckley
* Robert Harvey
* Bob Skilton
* Tony Lockett
* Gary Ablett Snr

I think you get the point.

Just because your team doesn't win a flag, doesn't make you a lesser player. It only makes your "resume" seem less brilliant.

But going on Carey's reckoning, if we won 2 flags in the next few years, players like Pendlebury, Didak and obviously Swan would be higher rated then Buckley.

BULLSHIT, go back to the pub Wayne.

 

[Jonno_]

In all seriousness, Swanny doesn't come close. Some of the things in that article are ridiculous like "Buckley never won a best and fairest in a premiership side". Well neither has Swanny, and there was literally nothing else Buckley could do. He can't play for everyone else. If he could we would have won.

Other than, ironically, Wayne Carey, there is no player I have seen that is better than Buckley.

 

[Football God]

In all seriousness, Swanny doesn't come close. Some of the things in that article are ridiculous like "Buckley never won a best and fairest in a premiership side". Well neither has Swanny, and there was literally nothing else Buckley could do. He can't play for everyone else. If he could we would have won.

Other than, ironically, Wayne Carey, there is no player I have seen that is better than Buckley.

EXACTLY. Thats why 2010 side is better than the 2002 side because we have a better playing group across the board! 2002 we just had stars which i suppose you could say did the 'heavy lifting.'

 

[Di_Di_Didak]

IMO no matter how many Brownlows/Copelands/Premierships/Norm Smiths etc. Swanny ends up with he'll never quite be in Bucks' league. Swanny is an absolute star, no doubt about it, but like others have said, Nathan Buckley was a once in a lifetime player.

 

[Sloth]

Buckley was a better kick, but Swan has a better engine- he's like a marathon runner